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1. John 3:16-17. What a nice pericope! Wonderful, heart-warming and full of promise - to those WHO BELIEVE. It would not take much effor to read the next verse! John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Yes, it carries A LOT OF WEIGHT. Unbelieving = being condemned. CONDITIONAL salvation, CONDITIONAL love once you take the effort and read the whole Bible. Salvation is a struggle, you have to work for it! Quote:
Psalm 119:1-3 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways. Quote:
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Here you see it again. Conditional love. Love for those who embrace the whole of God, the Bible in its totality, Jesus in all His aspects. Fear, obey, repent. Thereafter comes the love. I am praying for you. Please, please read the WHOLE BIBLE. You may have a chance for Salvation. I am deeply concerned for the state of your spirituality.:angry: As for this band My Chemical Romance (reference to psychedelic drugs?), I had never ever actually listened to any of their recordings. A few days ago I did that whilst browsing the TV-channel "Your Tube" (that has also some nice musical interludes, but more about that below). After only a couple of minutes I felt a strong urge to self-mutilation and - I have to admit it - suicide. My PERSONAL TESTIMONY confirms that the question in the opening post must be answered: YES. They should! I had to calm my nerves with some gentle and uplifting tunes. For those True Christians™ who make the same mistake and seek after some examples of this vocal group, I have here this nice piece of music that prevented me from looking after sharp cutlery, rope, etc. Yours in Christ, Elmer:bye: |
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You claim,"True Saved Christians DO NOT SIN." So let me ask you, what is Salvation? And How come "True Saved Christians" do not sin? Was Paul, the writer of Romans, a True Saved Christian when he wrote this passage? "14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." -Romans 7:14-25 Thank you for your prayers. I am also praying for you. |
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Please, try to understand why I find it hard to be convinced that you have read the whole Bible with all your heart and proper concentration. You quoted Romans 7, most of the Chapter. The Epistle does not end there. On the contrary, it continues and the next Chapter is number 8. What a magnificent opening for that Chapter: Romans 8:1-2 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. :yahoo::praise::yahoo: Again, here, context, please. Paul builds up the tension, and at the beginning of Chapter 8 the tension is released. In Sweet Jesus and His temporary death we are freed from sin if we fill the conditional requirements! How wonderful, how terrific! Also here in the Epistle, we walk on the literary (and literal) path of fear and obeying into Salvation in Jesus if we fill the conditional requirements. Some other verses you might find useful: 2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. The whole Bible. The whole God. All aspects of Jesus. :jesus: Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. The aspects we intuitively like and consider "nice" and the aspects that make us tremble in fear and awe. The Bible contains all this and also the instruction on how to avoid the quite unpleasant consequences of neglecting pivotal parts of it. I do not think you are a lost case. If words do not convince you, I'll allocate some more prayers for your soul. Yours in Christ, Elmer:bye: |
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Jn 3:18-19 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Anyway, I think you're being hypocritical, since you go right ahead and condemn us, comparing us with the Pharisees: Quote:
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Lev 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. Lev 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. Deut 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. Ps 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Ps 5:6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man. Ps 10:3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth. Ps 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Ps 53:5 There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them. Ps 73:20 As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image. Ps 78:59 When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel: Ps 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance. Prov 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. Prov 22:14 The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein. Lam 2:6 And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest. Hos 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters. Am 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. Zec 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me. Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Rev 2:6; 15 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. Quote:
2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? Quote:
********************** Attention any non-Christians who might have read ilovelostcauses' post: This is not how Jesus has taught Christians to act. He taught us to judge righteously and condemn sin and unbelief. I thoroughly apologize for this man's ignorance of the Bible. Read the Bible for yourself, and don't be mislead by false Christians. You will be surprised what you find. For instance, God does send people to hell: "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" (Rev 20:15). Note the passive verb. People don't choose to go there; they are sent there. But there are many more misconceptions too that you will only catch by educating yourselves on what it says. Please do your research. And don't be skeptical; believe everything it says. |
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But let me boil down my question here. So if we were all once sinners, now emancipated because of Jesus, shouldn't we treat sinners with the same respect and love we once found from Christians when we were sinners? Yes, we need to let people know of their sin, but why do it so caustically? Not all people on this site, but some have treated unsaved people so terribly, and that's what makes me sad. I believe with all my heart that we are to love those people. And if we can no longer sin, why do some Christians still lie? Is that not a sin? Yes, I agree we are rescued from sin and the consequences thereof, but as far as I have noticed from my own daily observation, it doesn't mean that Christians can't do wrong anymore. Also, this may not come from your post, I'm not sure, but if God hates sinners, why did he care so much to send Jesus in the first place? If I was in that position, I would not want to save that which I hate. Which is why I cannot accept the thought that God hates sinners. He hates the sin, not the person. |
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You, sir need to have some tact. That being said, I love the fact you brought up the Pharisee thing. Pharisees, during Jesus' time were not unbelievers, in fact, they were supposed to be the teachers of the law at the time. Yes, they may not have believed in Jesus, but even Jesus himself was a Jew in every sense of the word, even completing their religion(since he was the Messiah prophesied about in their texts). Therefore Pharisees would not be unbelievers technically speaking. They would be those who misuse God's word at the time for their own personal gain. They were hypocrites. But aren't we all hypocrites. Every one of us is. We tell people to do one thing, when we ourselves do the opposite. I am not immune to this hypocrisy, and therefore you are correct in saying I am a hypocrite. However, you need to own that you are one as well. On the sinners issue, the Bible contains no contradictions, so how can you say the God hates sinners, when it is very evident that he loves them? If God loves and hates sinners at the same time, that is a character contradiction. God says specifically that He is always the same, so the thought that God can hate sinners yet love them enough to save them from damnation is not accurate according to what the Bible says. Also, if we apply that same figure of speech to the passages about God “hating sinners,” we can see that the sinner is put in place of the sin. Thus, when God says He hates “a false witness who speaks lies” (Proverbs 6:19), if metonymy is being used, then God hates the lies, and the one who is doing the lying (the cause) is put in place of the lies (the effect). It is interesting to see how clear this feature can be in other contexts. For instance, Proverbs 6:17 says that God hates “a lying tongue.” Does that mean that God hates a physical tongue, made of muscle and body tissue? No. It means God hates the sin that a tongue can perform. Therefore, God does not hate the sinner, but he hates the sin It is evident that God loves us before we are made pure in Him. "For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:6-8). In conclusion, I do believe people should remain skeptical, for even the Bible says to test and approve everything it says before believing it. I would not believe it if I had not done that very thing. |
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Please provide me a single verse that states that God loves sinners. What is evident in the Bible is that sinners have one chance only (one short life vs. the entire eternity), and if they screw that chance, they burn forever in Hell. If God truly loved sinners, He would have given them a second life. Quote:
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Anyway, Paul tells us God hated Esau even before he was born, before he had sinned. Rom 9:10-15 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. The Bible plainly tells us God hates sinners. Ps 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. You're twisting God's Word to say what you want it to say. Hell was made for burning sinners, not sins. |
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In closing, as I was trying to say in my original post, all non-Christians, please do thorough research for yourselves before disregarding the Bible or true Christianity. Please give God a chance. You don't have to give these people a chance, you don't have to give me a chance, but give God a chance. Because I'm telling you, God loves you and wants you to know him personally. He cares deeply about every one of you. If you want me to prove that, this is the best way I can, and here I am also addressing those objecting to my claims that God loves "sinners":
"2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." -Ephesians 1:1-10 God bless you all and good night. |
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I am truly finished now. Goodbye. |
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And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself. :rtfm: I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire. :sinner: |
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Now I understand your question. It is about the methodology of spreading the Gospel. I must answer that no, I don't think we are too harsh. There are several reasons for this position: 1. We are on an urgent mission. Rapture is approaching, second coming, End of Days. It is vital to reach out as effectively as possible. The human race has deteriorated so much that only drastic measures work. The people have grown accustomed to atrocities, crime, horrors, war, sodomy, etc. Only adequate shock value reaches them.2 Kings 17:14 Notwithstanding they would not hear, but hardened their necks, like to the neck of their fathers, that did not believe in the LORD their God. Quote:
2 Thessalonians 2:11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: And why question God's intentions. He is more complex than a simple dichotomy hate-love. He loves SINNERS WHO REPENT. There are not too many of those, sadly, but would there be any without Jesus' Temporary Sacrifice. :repent: Matthew 18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. And now. Below. My all time favorite verse. Too precious to be placed in my signature. It reveals the intentions and character of God. An entity not to be doubted or questioned. I post this verse rarely as it always makes me tremble and almost lose my bladder control :fear2:: Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. That is God. :Jumpy: That is what I teach. :praise: Yours in Christ, Elmer:bye: |
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