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Amphioxys 06-08-2011 07:19 PM

Re: Please, please, please...
 
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Originally Posted by Amphioxys (Post 761602)
Please do so, won't you, please, so all the world will be able to see how amazing your understanding of science really is.

Gosh, did I really write this? I really meant to say, please, do so, so the world can see how amazingly devoid you are of even any basic understanding of science.

Vlostica 06-08-2011 10:38 PM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
As my first post, I am displeased to state that the OP is based on false science and fallacious logic.
Ignoring what your implications are of posting this image, I will attempt to clear the water from the mud you have attempted to dig up (punny).
1) Water hasn't existed on Earth for all of it's history. We were once bombarded by giant rocks almost constantly; no pools of water could form.
2) Three words to explain most of the rest: The Water Cycle. Wikipedia is always a worthy candidate to explain these issues: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cycle
3) One of your pastors above me said something about water being lost as we consume it. Not true: due to the Law of Conservation of Mass, water doesn't disappear whatsoever, it just changes forms, (gas, liquid, solid) as we drink, excrete, and flush it down.
While you know how to use a calculator, your premise seems to be flawed.
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I hope this is a satisfactory first post, and I hope for many more in the coming months.

Susanne 06-08-2011 10:56 PM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
Water can be created simply by combining Hydrogen & Oxygen. And as these are both naturally occurring and naturally created elements. So therefore water is in infinite resource as we could easily have more water in a week than we do today, despite millions of people and animals using water.

I believe in creation, and even I can see your argument is seriously flawed!

Also, I think calling someone a retard is uncalled for and very unchristian.

Brother Harold Porter 06-08-2011 11:02 PM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
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Originally Posted by Susanne (Post 761757)
Water can be created simply by combining Hydrogen & Oxygen. And as these are both naturally occurring and naturally created elements. So therefore water is in infinite resource as we could easily have more water in a week than we do today, despite millions of people and animals using water.

I believe in creation, and even I can see your argument is seriously flawed!

Also, I think calling someone a retard is uncalled for and very unchristian.

Nonsense. Even if we were to attempt to "create" water, there is a finite supply of both Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms. One cannot make the finite infinite.

Are you on the drugs?:wacko:

mikesmith 06-09-2011 12:10 AM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
This is aimed towards the argument of "how could something come from nothing? therefore God did it". If you conveniently change your definition of God to a being who is hiding within or restricted to the laws of nature then this thread is not for you.

One commonly cited "proof" of the existence of a creator being is that one or more miracles were required to create the universe.

The universe contains a large amount of matter (characterized by the physical quantity known as "mass"), and it is commonly held that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, only changed from one form to another. So, the existence of matter seems to be a miracle - a violation of the assumed law of conservation of mass, that happened just once, at the creation of the universe.

This is an outdated concept. Special relativity tells us that matter can be created out of energy and can disappear into energy (e=mc^2)

Therefore, the existence of mass in the universe violates no law of nature. Mass can come from energy. But where did the energy come from?

The first law of thermodynamics requires that energy comes from somewhere. If the law of conservation of energy were broken, this would imply a miracle was necessary for the origin of the universe.

But that is simply not the case, observationally and theoretically. Energy can be converted from one type to another as long as the total for the closed system remains the same. Based on the geometry of the universe and other observations we now know that the total energy of the universe is zero. It appears that the universe appeared from an initial state of zero energy, within a small quantum uncertainty.

I often see people on these forums try and argue cosmology in a philosophical manner. They falsely assume that human logic, instead of mathematical theories and the observations that support them, is a more accurate way to learn about the origin of the universe.

Brother Harold Porter 06-09-2011 01:13 AM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
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Atheist flim-flam, conjecture and sleight of hand

Why do you hate Jesus so much? Even my young nephew knows how to conduct proper science and won 1st prize for his work at the Freehold Home School Science Fair.

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1. Purpose. Propose a question or problem for which you are seeking an answer.
2. Hypothesis. Turn your question or problem into a statement that presents the solution in such a way that it can either be proved or disproved (falsified).
3. Research. Gather information and plan your experiment that will prove or disprove your hypothesis.
4. Experiment. Get equipment and conduct your experiment.
5. Conclusion. Present what you have discovered.
6. Display construction. Make your board and table display.
7. Science Fair Day. You as the presenter are the key to a great Science Fair Day.
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Five things to remember:
1. Know your material.
2. Be confident.
3. Communicate well.
4. Be thorough.
5. Pray your exhibit will witness to non-Christian visitors.
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Slow down, take a deep breath and learn from a simple twelve year-old boy that loves God. This is how God meant for science to be done.

In Christ

nonserviam 06-09-2011 03:59 AM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
1. Purpose. To find out if water molecules (hydrogen and oxygen atoms) disappear from this universe once someone consumes water
2. Hypothesis. No, atoms cannot be created nor destroyed.
3. Research. All the work has been done already. Even Christians are happily to admit we have a law of thermodynamics.
4. Experiment. Drink water. Go to the toilet. Heat urine until it starts to evaporate and collect the condensation (drinking water). Why Is there less water than the amount I first consumed? Because it is being stored in my body. Where does this water go? It is used to flush out toxins, thermoregulation (sweat, which can also be turned back in to drinking water) and a number of other processes.
5. Conclusion. Although we consume water and once consumed not all of it will come back out in the form of water, the atoms don't disappear. The water cycle doesn't stop.

Put water in to the ground and you may not see that same water molecule in the form of water for another hundred thousand years, but it will probably be used as water again some day.


This is aside from the fact the earth hasn't always had water in such large supply and the falsehood about human population as we've only had a population over a billion for the last hundred and something years.

Pastor Ezekiel 06-09-2011 04:04 AM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
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Originally Posted by nonserviam (Post 761899)
1. Purpose. To find out if water molecules (hydrogen and oxygen atoms) disappear from this universe once someone consumes water
2. Hypothesis. No, atoms cannot be created nor destroyed.
3. Research. All the work has been done already. Even Christians are happily to admit we have a law of thermodynamics.
4. Experiment. Drink water. Go to the toilet. Heat urine until it starts to evaporate and collect the condensation (drinking water). Why Is there less water than the amount I first consumed? Because it is being stored in my body. Where does this water go? It is used to flush out toxins, thermoregulation (sweat, which can also be turned back in to drinking water) and a number of other processes.
5. Conclusion. Although we consume water and once consumed not all of it will come back out in the form of water, the atoms don't disappear. The water cycle doesn't stop.

Put water in to the ground and you may not see that same water molecule in the form of water for another hundred thousand years, but it will probably be used as water again some day.


This is aside from the fact the earth hasn't always had water in such large supply and the falsehood about human population as we've only had a population over a billion for the last hundred and something years.

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself. :rtfm:

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself. :rtfm:

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire. :sinner:

ExGay Alex 06-09-2011 05:08 AM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
An atheist tells us water is "infinite" because when you run out all you have to do with combine oxygen with hydrogen to make more. Isn't that precious? As if oxygen and hydrogen are not finite resources. And why doesn't all the oxygen in the world and all the hydrogen in the world combine right now and make enough water to drown us all? Because God promised He would not produce a Great Flood a second time, that's why.

Atheists are so absolutely impossible to discuss anything with because when they don't have a scientific answer they just make something up.

trolldump 06-09-2011 07:59 PM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
Now that it has been proven that water is finite. We should only faithfull drink water from now on and let the heretics dehydrate. God willing.

raybbo 06-09-2011 08:34 PM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
People drink, piss and they keep doing that untill they die, every living creature on this planet does.
Everything has an explanation, beginning and also an end, so does water.

Did you people ever heard about comets? you know, those space rocks that crash into the earth daily...

Alot of comets actually carried water, if the amount of water on earth was resupplied that would be the most logical one...

Becouse it's simply to easy to say, god made it...
It might be true and alot of people are convinced that's true, but just try and look beyond it except telling everyone god did it!
Its not hard people!

Bobby-Joe 06-09-2011 08:43 PM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
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Originally Posted by raybbo (Post 762254)
People drink, piss and they keep doing that untill they die, every living creature on this planet does.
Everything has an explanation, beginning and also an end, so does water.

Did you people ever heard about comets? you know, those space rocks that crash into the earth daily...

Alot of comets actually carried water, if the amount of water on earth was resupplied that would be the most logical one...

Becouse it's simply to easy to say, god made it...
It might be true and alot of people are convinced that's true, but just try and look beyond it except telling everyone god did it!
Its not hard people!

Did you just say comets are space piss? :huh:

raybbo 06-09-2011 08:47 PM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
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Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel (Post 761902)
First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself. :rtfm:

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself. :rtfm:

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire. :sinner:




I respect all your choises but i just want to make 1 point clear.

Why did you put this post on when he proved that the theory about god creating water is wrong?
why not before that when it was still going and both sides still had their points???

You're doing what the church has been doing for ages, not letting people look beyond the word of god.
You've used fear by creating hell therefore blocking people to look futher...
Luckily the church hasnt got that much power anymore that they can force people not to look futher for awnsers and look how far we've come already?
Besides when you look at the advertisement above this thopic about demons, you're using fear in people to get your will...

The church is just slowing down the revolution of mankind, we coul've been way more advanced.
If it didnt excist at all we might even have achieved space travelling and find aliens and such!!!

Jack O'fagan 06-09-2011 08:47 PM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
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Originally Posted by raybbo (Post 762254)
Did you people ever heard about comets? you know, those space rocks that crash into the earth daily...

Can you please supply some evidence that these so called comets crash into the Earth daily. You can look but you won't be able to find any. I will be waiting.

Jack

Capt. Aaron Portway 06-09-2011 10:34 PM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
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Originally Posted by raybbo (Post 762254)
People drink, piss and they keep doing that untill they die, every living creature on this planet does.
Everything has an explanation, beginning and also an end, so does water.

Did you people ever heard about comets? you know, those space rocks that crash into the earth daily...

Alot of comets actually carried water, if the amount of water on earth was resupplied that would be the most logical one...

Becouse it's simply to easy to say, god made it...
It might be true and alot of people are convinced that's true, but just try and look beyond it except telling everyone god did it!
Its not hard people!

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Originally Posted by raybbo (Post 762266)
I respect all your choises but i just want to make 1 point clear.

Why did you put this post on when he proved that the theory about god creating water is wrong?
why not before that when it was still going and both sides still had their points???

You're doing what the church has been doing for ages, not letting people look beyond the word of god.
You've used fear by creating hell therefore blocking people to look futher...
Luckily the church hasnt got that much power anymore that they can force people not to look futher for awnsers and look how far we've come already?
Besides when you look at the advertisement above this thopic about demons, you're using fear in people to get your will...

The church is just slowing down the revolution of mankind, we coul've been way more advanced.
If it didnt excist at all we might even have achieved space travelling and find aliens and such!!!


Are you some sort of a foreigner? Either that or you're a retard. I can't make heads or tails of your posts! Are you supporting the original post or are you saying it isn't true? :wacko:

And what was that stuff about UFOs???


Seriously, I have NO IDEA what you're trying to say!:(

Sugarfree 06-09-2011 10:46 PM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
So before beginning with what i'm going to say I want to state that I am a follower of Jesus Christ as my saviour and I also believe in creationism.
Now we have that clear, i'm going tot say what I think about this topic.

We (The christians) state that we believe in the bible and accept that as the truth. In the bible there is no scripture about how the water system works, so this means we cant argue about this using the bible.
Furthermore, we are arguing with atheist, who do not believe in the bible, so they wont see using the bible as a valid argument.

So the OP is claiming water can run out.
I think there are enough arguments to show it can not run out..
Does it matter for proving the bible right or wrong? No, because there is nothing about it in the bible. This is pure theoretic to prove theoretic wrong...

God just created a magnificant system called the water cyclus. You can argue all you want saying it isnt, but you can do a litle test yourself to see it is. Get a big cointainer of some sort, fill it with dirt and in the middle dig in a bowl of water.. Also if you want you can put in a small sponge to represent living creatures absorbing water. Now cover it all with plastic foil to represent the admosphere. Now as final touch place a heating lamp above it all, a few inches away to avoid melting foil. Keep it there for like an hour and see whats going on... the boil of water will be emptied, the sponge will be dry and the dirt will be wet. The plastic foil will also be wet and moistured. This is how it works and its ingeniusly designed by God. (thats what I believe)

If you dont believe in God i'm sorry about that, but it doenst make you less human in my eyes. I believe Jesus died for us all and His love was for us all. Its up to us to accept Him, but we shouldnt hate those who dont believe it. Remember what Jesus did to sinners? He ate with them, joined them in their houses. Thats the examle we as christians should follow. Show the world love and not try to prove them wrong and evil.

HunterX 06-09-2011 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ExGay Alex (Post 761927)
An atheist tells us water is "infinite" because when you run out all you have to do with combine oxygen with hydrogen to make more. Isn't that precious? As if oxygen and hydrogen are not finite resources. And why doesn't all the oxygen in the world and all the hydrogen in the world combine right now and make enough water to drown us all? Because God promised He would not produce a Great Flood a second time, that's why.

Atheists are so absolutely impossible to discuss anything with because when they don't have a scientific answer they just make something up.

I'm quite sure most atheists think the same about religious people when it comes to discussing things. That is what makes this so much fun, an endless discussion without winners.

Though I'd like to say some things about the comments made in here.
First of all, most people seem to use allot of curse words like atheists/religious people are stupid. There's absolutely no need for that.

Secondly it is possible to create water with hydrogen and oxygen just as it is possible to split water into these 2 substances. Just look up "Hoffman voltameter" it's quite a clever device if you ask me.
And yes, all hydrogen that comes in contact with oxygen turns into water.
Water can actually stay in the air (just think of boiling water, there's steam coming out which is just water in gas fase).

I have also seen someone say that the theory of evolution is a theory and not a law. I do agree but a theory isn't always false, it's just a theory.

Now there is a certain law that explains where all our water is coming from.
"The law of conservation of mass", it states that every substance in the world can't just disapear.

Our body needs water for certain chemical reactions in our body. This doesn't mean the water just disapears.

I hope this has cleared up some of the awkward statements that have been written here.

Also I'd like to say that some of the smileys are highly offensive for certain people (christians and muslims, no I'm not a muslim neither am I christian).

I hope everybody can understand this chemistry lesson and hope you have all gained knowledge from this post.

P.S.
I do not wish to prove the christians wrong by the above information, I just want to correct some of the statements that have been made and enrich the knowledge of certain people.

Thank you for reading this post and have a good day/evening.

Stepan hawking rocks 06-10-2011 12:13 AM

Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien
 
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Originally Posted by raybbo (Post 762254)
People drink, piss and they keep doing that untill they die, every living creature on this planet does.
Everything has an explanation, beginning and also an end, so does water.

Did you people ever heard about comets? you know, those space rocks that crash into the earth daily...

Alot of comets actually carried water, if the amount of water on earth was resupplied that would be the most logical one...

Becouse it's simply to easy to say, god made it...
It might be true and alot of people are convinced that's true, but just try and look beyond it except telling everyone god did it!
Its not hard people!

This guy is totaly true.
This theory is saying that all the water we drink just vanishes to nowhere?
But did you guys heard of the phenomenal peeing? All the water is you drink finaly gets out of your body by peeing ,sweating ,etc...
It just not dissappears it stays in a circuit.
and dont say i am wrong let me do some calculations on this theory's perspective.
We take an man that is about 80 years old
he drinks 2 liters of water a day that does not dissappear in his body
so that means he should have 2Liters x 365 days x 80 years = 58400 liters
so that means our body needs to have a capability to cary 58400 liters of water???
a average human has a capacity of 0,06667 m3 that is 66,7 liters. So that means you would be as fat as 875 people. And i dont think my grandfather looks like that

If you still have comments do you biology please :)

Capt. Aaron Portway 06-10-2011 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Stepan hawking rocks (Post 762406)
INCOHERENT FOREIGN BABBLING SNIPPED OUT OF MERCY

Let me get this straight my illiterate friend, we're supposed to abandon our faith because some eurotard who can't even spell the name 'Stephen' says so?

I'll stick to the Bible if you don't mind! :thumbsup:

HunterX 06-10-2011 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt. A. Portway (Post 762415)
Let me get this straight my illiterate friend, we're supposed to abandon our faith because some eurotard who can't even spell the name 'Stephen' says so?

I'll stick to the Bible if you don't mind! :thumbsup:

Again with the cursing.
I thought the bible was meant to learn people how to respect others.
I mean really, eurotard? As in: european retard.
Now since when is being an european a bad thing?
Stick to the bible and respect others, that will make us both happy.


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