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Faith_Machine 04-07-2012 06:17 PM

Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
It seems that in the wake of the accidental shooting of Trayvon Martin, colored parents across the country are sitting their children down and having "the talk," giving their kids helpful hints for avoiding becoming the victims of accidental shootings.

Preventing a repeat of the Trayvon tragedy is a two-way street, however, and it is incumbent upon white parents everywhere to recognize the fact that merely instructing your children on proper target acquisition and shooting technique may not be sufficient.

If you're like a lot of parents, you may not know quite how to broach the subject, or what topics to cover.

Fortunately, National Review contributor John Derbyshire has penned a handy set of talking points for you to employ with your sons and daughters. In the interest of racial harmony and saving lives, I'm sure you will want to have a "talk" very similar to this one with your sons and daughters:

The Talk: Nonblack Version

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There is much talk about “the talk.”

“Sean O’Reilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most black parents give their teenage sons,” Denisa R. Superville of the Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us. Meanwhile, down in Atlanta: “Her sons were 12 and 8 when Marlyn Tillman realized it was time for her to have the talk,” Gracie Bonds Staples writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

Leonard Greene talks about the talk in the New York Post. Someone bylined as KJ Dell’Antonia talks about the talk in The New York Times. Darryl Owens talks about the talk in the Orlando Sentinel.

Yes, talk about the talk is all over.

There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.


(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black mormons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.

(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.

(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8 ) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical truth, not a myth.

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point; but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.

Remember, friends, Galatians 3:28 says "there is neither Jew nor Greek," but it doesn't say anything about their being neither black nor white!

:thumbsup:

Fleur-de-lis 04-07-2012 11:54 PM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
I'm white, most of my neighbors are black, and we all get along just fine. We speak to each other on the street, invite each other over for cookouts and such, visit each other's homes just to have coffee and chat.
Just this afternoon, I was changing the brake pads on my car and couldn't find my C-clamp. My neighbor was out weed-eating his lawn and I borrowed a C-clamp from him.

James Hutchins 04-08-2012 12:27 AM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by Fleur-de-lis (Post 868514)
I'm white, most of my neighbors are black, and we all get along just fine. We speak to each other on the street, invite each other over for cookouts and such, visit each other's homes just to have coffee and chat.
Just this afternoon, I was changing the brake pads on my car and couldn't find my C-clamp. My neighbor was out weed-eating his lawn and I borrowed a C-clamp from him.

Friend, I am glad you get along with those neighbors. Why you would live there in the first place is another matter. I mean, I'll visit a zoo but no way am I going to move into the chimp house, the smell, well I do not have to tell you about that smell.
Are you sure it was his C-clamp you borrowed and not the one he stole from you?

Faith_Machine 04-08-2012 12:32 AM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
I thought we weren't supposed to use the C-word. Isn't it offensive to women or some such?

Rev. M. Rodimer 04-08-2012 03:42 AM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by Fleur-de-lis (Post 868514)
I'm white, most of my neighbors are black, and we all get along just fine. We speak to each other on the street, invite each other over for cookouts and such, visit each other's homes just to have coffee and chat.

I lived in a predominantly black neighborhood myself for a while. Aside from the periodic late-night gunshots, it was a peaceful area.

Never had a problem with my neighbors.
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Just this afternoon, I was changing the brake pads on my car and couldn't find my C-clamp. My neighbor was out weed-eating his lawn and I borrowed a C-clamp from him.
Is your neighbor a goat? :huh:

Fleur-de-lis 04-08-2012 03:54 AM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer (Post 868577)
I lived in a predominantly black neighborhood myself for a while. Aside from the periodic late-night gunshots, it was a peaceful area.

Never had a problem with my neighbors.

Is your neighbor a goat? :huh:

No, my neighbor is not a goat. He was using a Weed-eater (a gas-powered trimmer).

Rev. M. Rodimer 04-08-2012 03:59 AM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by Fleur-de-lis (Post 868580)
No, my neighbor is not a goat. He was using a Weed-eater (a gas-powered trimmer).

OH! Thank you, that makes much more sense.

I'm glad your neighbors don't frequently riot. What do they think of you moving into their neighborhood?

Faith_Machine 04-08-2012 09:31 AM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
I'd say they were surely excited about the presence of a white person raising property values, but they're probably renters, and don't care.

James Hutchins 04-08-2012 11:34 AM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
Fleur-de-lis
How do you spread the Word of God to the layabout heathens? Do they run up to you excitedly and ask you to read from the KJV? What passage do you feel best applies to them?
I have always felt this best decribes a neighbohood like yours:
Romans 1:18-32

King James Version (KJV)


18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Fleur-de-lis 04-08-2012 02:21 PM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by James Hutchins (Post 868660)
Fleur-de-lis
How do you spread the Word of God to the layabout heathens? Do they run up to you excitedly and ask you to read from the KJV? What passage do you feel best applies to them?
I have always felt this best decribes a neighbohood like yours:
Romans 1:18-32

King James Version (KJV)


18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


I don't spread anyone's word to them, they aren't layabouts, and most of them, as far as I can tell, are Christian.

Fleur-de-lis 04-08-2012 02:33 PM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by Faith_Machine (Post 868622)
I'd say they were surely excited about the presence of a white person raising property values, but they're probably renters, and don't care.

Actually, they're mostly homeowners, not renters, the neighborhood is very nice, clean, and quiet, and the property values were just fine before I moved here, judging by what I paid for my house.

Noah Sole 04-08-2012 02:38 PM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by Fleur-de-lis (Post 868693)
and the property values were just fine before I moved here.....

So they've gone down since? Why is that? Are you a lezzer?

All the best

Fleur-de-lis 04-08-2012 03:10 PM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by Noah Sole (Post 868696)
So they've gone down since? Why is that? Are you a lezzer?

All the best

They haven't gone down. Looking at my property taxes, I would say they've stayed pretty constant.
Lezzer? Do you mean lesbian? No, I'm not. And even if I were, I don't see how that would affect property values.

Dr Laurence Niles 04-08-2012 03:14 PM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by Fleur-de-lis (Post 868715)
They haven't gone down. Looking at my property taxes, I would say they've stayed pretty constant.
Lezzer? Do you mean lesbian? No, I'm not. And even if I were, I don't see how that would affect property values.

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And even if I were, I don't see how that would affect property values.
It wouldn't bother you that thay hate God and could give you the AIDs?

What kind of Christian are you? Your sig at least shows you have an understanding about women's position in the home.

Jesus loves me.

James Hutchins 04-08-2012 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fleur-de-lis (Post 868688)
I don't spread anyone's word to them, they aren't layabouts, and most of them, as far as I can tell, are Christian.

Friend, why do you deny the existence of baby Jeus. Are you ashamed that he does not approve of you mixing with the races and your steadfast refusal to produce sons? You know, every month you are not pregnant, you are killing an unborn child. Thier silent screams are heard by all the love God and it makes us weep.:crying:
Jigaboos cannot be Christians, thy can be janitors. :watermelon:

Fleur-de-lis 04-08-2012 03:49 PM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by James Hutchins (Post 868719)
Friend, why do you deny the existence of baby Jeus. Are you ashamed that he does not approve of you mixing with the races and your steadfast refusal to produce sons? You know, every month you are not pregnant, you are killing an unborn child. Thier silent screams are heard by all the love God and it makes us weep.:crying:
Jigaboos cannot be Christians, thy can be janitors. :watermelon:

I didn't say I denied that Ieshua once lived. But someone who died a couple of millennia ago doesn't get to choose my friends or my home for me.
I don't want kids, therefore I don't have kids. Why would anyone go having kids they don't want? That's not fair to the parent or to the kids.
My neighbors have a variety of jobs, from menial to executive. And being a janitor and being a Christian are not mutually exclusive.

James Hutchins 04-08-2012 04:00 PM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by Fleur-de-lis (Post 868723)
I didn't say I denied that Ieshua once lived. But someone who died a couple of millennia ago doesn't get to choose my friends or my home for me.
I don't want kids, therefore I don't have kids. Why would anyone go having kids they don't want? That's not fair to the parent or to the kids.
My neighbors have a variety of jobs, from menial to executive. And being a janitor and being a Christian are not mutually exclusive.

Only by the Love of God do you exist. Your refusal to to honor Him is akin to spitting in His face. Nice, real nice.:thumbdown:
If you want to mix with Hamites, I am the last person to tell you why you shouldn't. But do not come whining to us when you have been raped by some buck doped up on malt liquor and all shot up on the pot.:fear2:
Are you one of those androgynous bull dykes? You sure sound like one.
Also, just in case you were wondering, no, 'it does not please'.:angry:

Fleur-de-lis 04-08-2012 04:25 PM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by James Hutchins (Post 868731)
Only by the Love of God do you exist. Your refusal to to honor Him is akin to spitting in His face. Nice, real nice.:thumbdown:
If you want to mix with Hamites, I am the last person to tell you why you shouldn't. But do not come whining to us when you have been raped by some buck doped up on malt liquor and all shot up on the pot.:fear2:
Are you one of those androgynous bull dykes? You sure sound like one.
Also, just in case you were wondering, no, 'it does not please'.:angry:

I exist by the love of my parents. They're the ones who made me.

Shot up on pot? You don't shoot pot, you smoke it, and it doesn't make people aggressive, it makes them passive.

I'm not androgynous, and I'm not a lesbian. Why you insist on believing otherwise is beyond me, but if it makes you happy, it does me no harm for you to believe it.

Faith_Machine 04-08-2012 05:43 PM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by Fleur-de-lis (Post 868738)
I exist by the love of my parents. They're the ones who made me.

Whatever love your parents may or may not feel is beside the point, as their love can not create human beings; only God can do that.

Anyway, why are you here? To argue? How sad. We're here to praise Jesus.

James Hutchins 04-08-2012 07:11 PM

Re: Parents, have you had "the talk" with your kids?
 
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Originally Posted by Fleur-de-lis (Post 868738)
I exist by the love of my parents. They're the ones who made me.

Shot up on pot? You don't shoot pot, you smoke it, and it doesn't make people aggressive, it makes them passive.

I'm not androgynous, and I'm not a lesbian. Why you insist on believing otherwise is beyond me, but if it makes you happy, it does me no harm for you to believe it.

Friend, a moment on the lips and a life time of hips. Children bred from the stupor of a one night stand is not love.
If your parents really loved you, they would of taught you about God and how by His Good Grace, we are here.

I do not care how you spike the drugs, if God wanted people stoned all the time and totally out of it, He would of made us that way.

I do not know what you are. I do know you refuse the simple wishes of God. Something is not right about you. Is it because you are obese and have a lot of cats?


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