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eliot mayfield 06-19-2009 04:00 PM

The Holocaust, a part of God's divine plan
 
There's been talk about the Holocaust around here and I feel I need to correct some mistakes and assumptions. I've already said in another thread Hitler could be in Heaven. He was acting as part of God's plan. If he took Jesus into his heart, he's in Heaven, just like everyone of us can be. Nobody knows what happened in that bunker and if he killed himself or not.

The holocaust happened. My grandfather was in WW2 and he saw some of them. If you want to call my grandfather a liar we can arrange a place and time for you to do that to my face. Living in Europe I have seen some camps and there's just too many of them to be a conspiracy. Yes, millions died.

They died because God loves us. The holocaust happened so we would get Israel started again. God had to do this to get things ready for the second coming of Jesus. We were on the right track! George Bush knew God was guiding him. He told other leaders about it:

http://www.alternet.org/politics/140221

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In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France's President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated.
In the same year he spoke to Chirac, Bush had reportedly said to the Palestinian foreign minister that he was on "a mission from God" in launching the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and was receiving commands from the Lord.
There can be little doubt now that President Bush's reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam's Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.

We are all working for the Lord and let us pray the second coming is soon. Remember to vote for a God driven candidate in all future elections so we can help achieve this goal in our life times!

God loves us and that's why there was a second world war, a first one and every other war! Do not pretend you have the ability to question God's plan! You must accept it.

TC Patriot 06-21-2009 10:24 PM

Re: The Holocaust, a part of God's divine plan
 
"'And they the hunters should hunt them,' that will be the Jews. 'From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.' If that doesn't describe what Hitler did in the holocaust who can't see that?


Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says -- Jeremiah writing -- 'They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,' meaning there's no place to hide. Hitler was simply doing God's work.


Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel.


Because God loves the Jews he had Hitler and other good Christians slay 6 million of them because they would not return to Israel. The lesson here is, DO WHAT GOD COMMANDS OR DIE! and then burn in hell for all eternity.:devil:

Wash O'Hanley 06-21-2009 10:29 PM

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I sincerely doubt there was any foul play in those concentration camps. How many Jews were rounded up in those things? How many people actually died? If we take into account that the average 7-day cruise ship has at least one death, I don't think it is far-fetched to believe that the 6 million Holocaust deaths were all a result of natural causes and blown out of proportion by the scare tactics and fear mongering of the Liberal Left.

James Hutchins 06-21-2009 10:35 PM

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So you are saying it really was not just careless work place safety habits at the German Wonder Bread factories?

If it was a genocide, why didn't the joos simply hide someplace other than the ovens at the factories. I don't know, it just does not seem very smart. You would of thought they would of hidden in their bank vaults with all their stolen money. No fires in there!

It is hard to believe that 6 million were killed, seems like it did not even make a dent.

eliot mayfield 06-21-2009 10:59 PM

Re: The Holocaust, a part of God's divine plan
 
It saddens me to see two brothers fall for the liberal conspiracy like you two have. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

The liberals are the ones condemning Israel and trying to interfere with God's plan!!

You two had better run to your prayer closets and get on your knees, NOW!!

Did George Bush fail Israel? NO!

Do you deny God's plan?

Text books written by Republicans and available to all schoolchildren in nice Christian schools state the truth and that is millions of Jews were killed.

Do you deny the Bible and claim when God smote people it was due to accidents and faulty safety equipment?

How dare you pretend to think you know better than our soldiers who were there documenting it all! Do you not think one republican president since 1945 would have told us it was a mistake in accounting?

Brothers, God did what he did because he loves us all and wants us to be in heaven with him. Why do you want to delay the Second Coming?:(

James Hutchins 06-21-2009 11:05 PM

Re: The Holocaust, a part of God's divine plan
 
All I know is there was nothing about this in the KJV Bible as the 'holocaust' as you call it occurred after 1611, if it really did. I go by what I hear and read. I guess what I do not understand is what difference it makes. Being none of these joos were True Christians, they were all doomed to Eternal Damnation in Hell anyway, that is for sure. So what difference does a day make?

eliot mayfield 06-21-2009 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by James Hutchins (Post 345873)
All I know is there was nothing about this in the KJV Bible as the 'holocaust' as you call it occurred after 1611, if it really did. I go by what I here and read. I guess what I do not understand is what difference it makes. Being none of these joos were True Christians, they were all doomed to Eternal Damnation in Hell anyway, that is for sure. So what difference does a day make?

It makes the difference only in the fact that it lead to the creation of the modern day Israel and that is a major step toward the Second Coming of Jesus!

Do you think the Demoncrats would have supported the effort to make Israel the power it is over a few accidents?
Yes, many things have occurred since 1611. But, those things are God's plan for us. It's through his love Jesus will come back, the sooner the better, and toss billions of people into Hell for failing to read and understand his loving words!!!
The Holocaust was just a sort of preview for what is coming up. Do you mean to diminish it's value by calling it accidents?

James Hutchins 06-21-2009 11:23 PM

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Won't Israel still there even if there were no joos?

I just figured the democrats tolerated joos these days to get Streisand tickets.

Accidents happen, they are part of Gods will. No matter if it is by force of another or a banana peel, Gods invisible hand was at work. So you feel the Holocaust was a prequel, we will get a sequel. But the same people will not be in it.

This all quite a bit much for me to comprehend. I am a True Christian, I go by Gods word in the KJV1611 Bible. If it is not in the Good Book, then it is not for me to really speculate on.

Pastor Ezekiel 06-21-2009 11:29 PM

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You have to admit, the joos are world famous for being connivers and liars. It just seems like common sense to assume that they made up most of this "holocaust" story to gain a permanent badge of victimhood.

God does work in mysterious ways...:hmmm:

eliot mayfield 06-21-2009 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by James Hutchins (Post 345883)
Won't Israel still there even if there were no joos?

I just figured the democrats tolerated joos these days to get Streisand tickets.

Accidents happen, they are part of Gods will. No matter if it is by force of another or a banana peel, Gods invisible hand was at work. So you feel the Holocaust was a prequel, we will get a sequel. But the same people will not be in it.

This all quite a bit much for me to comprehend. I am a True Christian, I go by Gods word in the KJV1611 Bible. If it is not in the Good Book, then it is not for me to really speculate on.

It is in the book!
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Question: "What is the battle of Armageddon?"

Answer:
The word “Armageddon” comes from a Hebrew word Har-Magedone, which means “Mount Megiddo” and has become synonymous with the future battle in which God will intervene and destroy the armies of the Antichrist as predicted in biblical prophecy (Revelation 16:16; 20:1-3, 7-10). There will be a multitude of people engaged in the battle of Armageddon, as all the nations gather together to fight against Christ.

The exact location of the valley of Armageddon is unclear because there is no mountain called Meggido. However, since “Har” can also mean hill, the most likely location is the hill country surrounding the plain of Meggido, some sixty miles north of Jerusalem. More than two hundred battles have been fought in that region. The plain of Megiddo and the nearby plain of Esdraelon will be the focal point for the battle of Armadeggon, which will rage the entire length of Israel as far south as the Edomite city of Bozrah (Isaiah 63:1). The valley of Armageddon was famous for two great victories in Israel’s history: 1) Barak’s victory over the Canaanites (Judges 4:15) and 2) Gideon’s victory over the Midianites (Judges 7). Armageddon was also the site for two great tragedies: 1) the death of Saul and his sons (1 Samuel 31:8) and 2) the death of King Josiah (2 Kings 23:29-30; 2 Chronicles 35:22).

Because of this history, the valley of Armageddon became a symbol of the final conflict between God and the forces of evil. The word “Armageddon” only occurs in Revelation 16:16, “Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.” This speaks of the kings who are loyal to the Antichrist gathering together for a final assault on Israel. At Armageddon “the cup filled with the wine of the fury of [God’s] wrath” (Revelation 16:19) will be delivered, and the Antichrist and his followers will be overthrown and defeated. “.
http://www.gotquestions.org/battle-Armageddon.html

Ezekiel Bathfire 06-21-2009 11:31 PM

Re: The Holocaust, a part of God's divine plan
 
I’m wondering if it is not possible for there to be accidents. One of the things I note is that every now and again, the keyboard will spell the word wrongly and I correct it. Now, I doubt that was part of God’s Plan – I mean, that milli-second? Did it change the world?

I am reminded of the transportation of the jews from France. Apparently, all in all there were over 200 of them invited to see new accommodation in Poland. On one occasion, the train broke down somewhere near the French border; the jews got out to have a walk round and unfortunately the Germans took advantage of the delay for rifle practice. IIRC, 3 people were quite badly winged.

These things happen, none of us are perfect. Yes, God has a plan, which will go forward and culminate in Armageddon but, IMHO, it’s a broad-brush on the canvas of life.

eliot mayfield 06-21-2009 11:33 PM

Re: The Holocaust, a part of God's divine plan
 
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Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel (Post 345885)
You have to admit, the joos are world famous for being connivers and liars. It just seems like common sense to assume that they made up most of this "holocaust" story to gain a permanent badge of victimhood.

God does work in mysterious ways...:hmmm:

If it didn't happen George Bush would have told us about it!

Tertius The Scribe 06-21-2009 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by James Hutchins (Post 345883)
Won't Israel still there even if there were no joos?

I don't think so. Those Arabeki Islamofascists would snatch up as much land as they could get; they already took it from Jesus back in the 0000's! :angry:

James Hutchins 06-21-2009 11:36 PM

Re: The Holocaust, a part of God's divine plan
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel (Post 345885)
You have to admit, the joos are world famous for being connivers and liars. It just seems like common sense to assume that they made up most of this "holocaust" story to gain a permanent badge of victimhood.

God does work in mysterious ways...:hmmm:

That has been my experience Pastor. I had a joo accountant once. I always had to pay more taxes and pay him to tell me that. Ever since I canceled fired upon him, I never owed any extra money. Then that time I go sued (still have a gag order) and the joo lawyer lied and I had to pay to repaint the synagogue. All I ever heard was 'poor me'. What a bunch of whiners. So because they cheat and lie, then when they get caught or have an accident they expect us to feel sorry for them.

James Hutchins 06-21-2009 11:39 PM

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Quote:

Question: "What is the battle of Armageddon?"

Answer: The word “Armageddon” comes from a Hebrew word Har-Magedone, which means “Mount Megiddo” and has become synonymous with the future battle in which God will intervene and destroy the armies of the Antichrist as predicted in biblical prophecy (Revelation 16:16; 20:1-3, 7-10). There will be a multitude of people engaged in the battle of Armageddon, as all the nations gather together to fight against Christ.

The exact location of the valley of Armageddon is unclear because there is no mountain called Meggido. However, since “Har” can also mean hill, the most likely location is the hill country surrounding the plain of Meggido, some sixty miles north of Jerusalem. More than two hundred battles have been fought in that region. The plain of Megiddo and the nearby plain of Esdraelon will be the focal point for the battle of Armadeggon, which will rage the entire length of Israel as far south as the Edomite city of Bozrah (Isaiah 63:1). The valley of Armageddon was famous for two great victories in Israel’s history: 1) Barak’s victory over the Canaanites (Judges 4:15) and 2) Gideon’s victory over the Midianites (Judges 7). Armageddon was also the site for two great tragedies: 1) the death of Saul and his sons (1 Samuel 31:8) and 2) the death of King Josiah (2 Kings 23:29-30; 2 Chronicles 35:22).

Because of this history, the valley of Armageddon became a symbol of the final conflict between God and the forces of evil. The word “Armageddon” only occurs in Revelation 16:16, “Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.” This speaks of the kings who are loyal to the Antichrist gathering together for a final assault on Israel. At Armageddon “the cup filled with the wine of the fury of [God’s] wrath” (Revelation 16:19) will be delivered, and the Antichrist and his followers will be overthrown and defeated. “.


I do not know geography that well but I though Germany was further than 60 miles north of Israel. And anyways, that was not in My Bible. You probably got that off of the Internet.

Rev. Jim Osborne 06-21-2009 11:39 PM

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You know, I sure as heck hope something happens over in Israel or Iran or one of them Mohammedist countries real soon, because I'm turning 69 this year and my doctor just told me I need to cut down on fat intake, lower my cholesterol and blood pressure, and my diabeetus :brimley: has skyrocketed out of control. I remember the good life when I was writing checks to Yamaha for my brand new ATCs way back in '77, but nowadays I'm writing checks (for the same amount) to Liberty Medical Supply for my diabeetus :brimley: testing supplies.

Brother Eliot is right in pointing out that God loves the world so much, he is willing to sacrifice some of us, so that the rest of us can have aeternal life with Jesus Christ. Radical atheists like to cry out: "If there is a God, why did he let six million Jews die?" A good Christian apologist will reply: "But that shows there is a God! He let six million unsaved Jews die instead of six million Bible-believing Baptists!" Truly these people lived in mockery of God for over 4000 years, and when God gave them His Son, they rejected Him and crucified Him. It was high time that God made an example of them to show what happens when you reject Christ as your Savior. To me, the fact that the Holocaust did happen is one of the strongest theistic arguments anyone can make.

eliot mayfield 06-21-2009 11:41 PM

Re: The Holocaust, a part of God's divine plan
 
Is there something in the water there? Has Obama drugged you all? It hurts me to see you turn away from God and towards the democratic party and feel soft to the enemies of the USA.

eliot mayfield 06-21-2009 11:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne (Post 345896)
You know, I sure as heck hope something happens over in Israel or Iran or one of them Mohammedist countries real soon, because I'm turning 69 this year and my doctor just told me I need to cut down on fat intake, lower my cholesterol and blood pressure, and my diabeetus :brimley: has skyrocketed out of control. I remember the good life when I was writing checks to Yamaha for my brand new ATCs way back in '77, but nowadays I'm writing checks (for the same amount) to Liberty Medical Supply for my diabeetus :brimley: testing supplies.

Brother Eliot is right in pointing out that God loves the world so much, he is willing to sacrifice some of us, so that the rest of us can have aeternal life with Jesus Christ. Radical atheists like to cry out: "If there is a God, why did he let six million Jews die?" A good Christian apologist will reply: "But that shows there is a God! He let six million unsaved Jews die instead of six million Bible-believing Baptists!" Truly these people lived in mockery of God for over 4000 years, and when God gave them His Son, they rejected Him and crucified Him. It was high time that God made an example of them to show what happens when you reject Christ as your Savior. To me, the fact that the Holocaust did happen is one of the strongest theistic arguments anyone can make.

I've been googling for Baptists killed in the holocaust and can't find even one. Plenty of jews, Jehovahs, homosexuals and other unsaved trash though. More proof God loves us and we are True Christians ™.

James Hutchins 06-21-2009 11:44 PM

Re: The Holocaust, a part of God's divine plan
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire (Post 345888)
I’m wondering if it is not possible for there to be accidents. One of the things I note is that every now and again, the keyboard will spell the word wrongly and I correct it. Now, I doubt that was part of God’s Plan – I mean, that milli-second? Did it change the world?

I am reminded of the transportation of the jews from France. Apparently, all in all there were over 200 of them invited to see new accommodation in Poland. On one occasion, the train broke down somewhere near the French border; the jews got out to have a walk round and unfortunately the Germans took advantage of the delay for rifle practice. IIRC, 3 people were quite badly winged.

These things happen, none of us are perfect. Yes, God has a plan, which will go forward and culminate in Armageddon but, IMHO, it’s a broad-brush on the canvas of life.

Now see, that is how I understand stuff happens. I think too many people are into conspiracy theories. A rule I live by is "The simplest explanation is usually the right one". And the would be "God made it so". You cannot get much simpler than that.
I mean, you would think, after the first batch of joo brownies was made, the rest would of not followed suit. They had no choice as it was Gods will.

Rev. Jim Osborne 06-21-2009 11:45 PM

Re: The Holocaust, a part of God's divine plan
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James Hutchins (Post 345893)
That has been my experience Pastor. I had a joo accountant once. I always had to pay more taxes and pay him to tell me that. Ever since I canceled fired upon him, I never owed any extra money. Then that time I go sued (still have a gag order) and the joo lawyer lied and I had to pay to repaint the synagogue. All I ever heard was 'poor me'. What a bunch of whiners. So because they cheat and lie, then when they get caught or have an accident they expect up to feel sorry for them.

But see, Brother James, this is an excellent example of why the Holocaust happened. It makes a lot of sense for people to be so ticked off by Jewish greed, lies, deceit, manipulation, and trickery that I can perfectly well see normal everyday people rallying together and stuffing all these Jews into concentration camps. Now, I'm no Nazi apologist, let me make that clear, but Adolph Hitler unwittingly served the Lord by following His Plan. And, as a rejoinder, I can honestly sympathasize with Hitler on why he would want to corral them up like the rats they are.


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