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Pim Pendergast 11-04-2012 02:21 AM

God Hates Asexuals
 
The Perversion

We spend a lot of time on this forum deploring homers, and rightly so. But there is a new group of perverts that until recently has been flying below the radar. The asexual agenda has been gaining momentum over the last few years, so much so that supposedly “acephobia” is now a thing. Asexuals are people who say they have no desire to have sex. They claim it is a sexual preference or orientation just like heterosexuality or homosexuality. Most liberal Christians view asexuality as okay. After all, doesn’t Jesus condone celibacy (Matt 19:12)? And doesn’t Paul speak of a “gift of singleness” (1 Cor 7:7)?

First off let me say that there is doubt even in the secular community as to whether asexuality really exists. Wickedpedia says, “[Other scholars] state that it is the denial of one's natural sexuality, and that it is a disorder caused by shame of sexuality or anxiety....” It is possible that many asexuals are suppressing their desire for marriage and children simply because they are impotent or queer or too ugly to find a partner. But the fact remains that there are a growing number of people who claim to be asexual, and many of them use passages like Matt 19:12 and 1 Cor 7:7 to justify their behavior.


The Biblical Standard

Right at the outset of the Bible, God makes it clear that a man shall “leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh” (Gen 2:24). Men ought to marry and, once married, cleave to their wives and become one flesh with them — in other words, have sex. Sexless marriages are not an option for asexuals, not an easy out, for Paul says to married couples, “Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency” (1 Cor 7:5).

Procreation is another divine requirement. God told Adam and Eve to “be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it” (Gen 1:28a). It is especially important that a woman not shirk her duty to bear sons, for “she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety” (1 Tim 2:15). All women should strive to be like Rachel, who said to her husband Jacob, “Give me children, or else I die” (Gen 30:1). In fact, all beings are expected to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22). Studies done by secular scientists claiming that asexuality is observable in the animal kingdom must therefore be rejected. They are as spurious as the claims that homosexuality has been observed among animals.


The Controversy

Now let’s examine Matt 19:12 — “For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.” Does this passage really condone asexuality? Jesus describes three kinds of eunuchs:
1) Those “which were born so from their mother’s womb.” These are people born without the ability to reproduce. It is significant that Jesus calls them eunuchs, suggesting that they have some sort of congenital defect that prevents them from reproducing or engaging in sex. Asexuals cannot use this passage to say that they were “born that way,” without the desire to have sex. All babies are born without the desire to have sex! Satan only begins to tempt people with sexual desire when they hit puberty.

2) Those “which were made eunuchs of men.” These are real eunuchs, men who have been castrated. It is important to remember that “he that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord” (Deut 23:1).

3) Those “which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.” Of course eunuch in this sense is metaphorical. Where in all of God’s holy Word does He require His people to physically mutilate their genitalia? These people deny their desire to serve God in marriage and procreation that they may serve God in the furtherance of His kingdom. No doubt this sacrifice is like having one’s stones cut off, hence Jesus’ choice of the word eunuch. I believe this is an extremely rare calling, but more on that later.
This verse says nothing about women. Women can’t be eunuchs. And it doesn’t let the unsaved off the hook.

So what about the “gift of singleness?” It’s important to get 1 Cor 7:7 in context. Many asexual activists conveniently ignore the fact that just five verses earlier Paul wrote “let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband” (v2). When Paul writes, “But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that,” he is speaking of Christians. Every Christian has a gift of God. The unsaved don’t receive spiritual gifts from the Holy Ghost. Therefore the unsaved cannot have the gift of singleness. They are still obliged to marry and have sons or else incur God’s displeasure.

We know that when Paul wrote his letter to the church in Corinth, he was single (1 Cor 7:7-8), though he may have been married earlier in life. He describes his singleness as a gift. He had made himself eunuch for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. But how common is this gift? Paul himself told Timothy that “a bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife” (1 Tim 3:2) and “let the deacons be the husbands of one wife” (1 Tim 3:12). Elders and deacons are required to marry so that they can prove their leadership skills to the church by “ruling their children and their own houses well” (1 Tim 3:12). Therefore elders and deacons cannot have the gift of singleness.

I believe the gift of singleness is very rare. I would be very suspicious of any professing Christian today who claimed to have the gift. The Apostle Paul was an incredibly gifted man, able to perform signs and wonders (Acts 14:3, 1 Thes 1:5), heal the sick (Acts 28:9) and, on one occasion, raise the dead (Acts 20:9-10). He was working to expand the kingdom of heaven. We also know that Paul suffered many tribulations: “Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; in journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; in weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness” (2 Cor 11:23-27). God probably decided he didn’t need the additional burden of caring for a woman and so bestowed on him a special gift.

All these passages tell us is that God may grant a gift of singleness to a True Christian™ who is working to expand His kingdom. I would not dare call such a person an asexual. Asexuality applies only to unsaved people who refuse to marry and have sons because they claim to have no sexual desire.


The Problem

As we’ve seen in the oft-misquoted passages above, there is no Scripture that by any stretch of the imagination excuses the unsaved from following the Biblical imperative to be fruitful and multiply. Yet asexuals use their “orientation” as an excuse to disobey God. Asexuality is as unnatural as homosexuality, for even the majority of the unsaved by nature have the decency and the desire to marry and have children. The asexual agenda is a secular movement, not one dedicated to furthering the kingdom of heaven.

The Mary-worshipping, ring-kissing papists have been endorsing asexuality for centuries. They think it’s okay for their nuns, monks and priests not to marry. But Catholics aren’t Christians, and for many priests asexuality is a gateway preference that leads to pedophilia and homosexuality.

Contemporary secular concerns about climate change and overpopulation have been debunked numerous times on this forum, so I won’t go into here, only to say that it is no excuse for remaining single and childless.

To the unsaved asexuality may seem trivial, benign. Yet we know that “whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all” (Jas 2:10) and “cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them” (Deut 27:26a). We know that in Noah’s day, men had become so wicked that “it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth” (Gen 6:6). Yet even these guys still “did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all” (Lk 17:27). Ultimately, if you choose to be asexual in this life, if you spit on God’s institution of marriage and family and undermine the fabric of society, you will spend an eternity in outer darkness, where “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matt 8:12) and “where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched” (Mk 9:44).


The Solution

If you have been born with a condition that prevents you from reproducing or having sex, or if you have been castrated or sustained an injury to your manhood, that’s too bad; you’d better pray for a miracle or something. Otherwise

MAN UP AND GET MARRIED!

AmuLesbian 05-10-2013 01:43 AM

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IM ASEXUAL AND GET USED TO IT! BOYS SUCK! GIRLS RULE! FU-CK CHILDREN! CHILDREN ARE SCUM AND IM GONNA KILL THEM ALL! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :devil::devil::devil::devil: :D

Ex-Viking 05-10-2013 02:27 AM

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Asexuality is a perversion and should be illegal, it is no different than homosexuality, beastiality and necrophelia. Most of them are probably just closet fags anyway.

MitzaLizalor 05-10-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pim Pendergast (Post 946169)
The Perversion

Thank you for a challenging and informative post.

I have a friend who, although not claiming to be asexual, is currently on a bender of abstinence. It has not always been so. I am aware of many escapades initiated by members of the opposite sex pouncing, seducing or simply making lewd suggestions (which were always followed up with a demonstration) and I can only describe the resulting behaviour by comparison with rattlesnakes or those Asian monkeys which spend their waking hours vibrating trees, shrubs and bushes. I think they're Asian; they might be South American though.

So although these activties have been temporarily suspended the eagerness to reproduce is clearly well ensconced and I'd be surprised if another month passes with my friend in limbo. Winking eyes seem quite bullish at present, where my friend is concerned, at drinks parties, in art galleries, lounging around at barbeques and so on.

How should I advise my friend?

Pim Pendergast 05-10-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor (Post 1001863)
How should I advise my friend?

I take it your friend isn't a Christian despite your best attempts to evangelize him (or her). If I were you, I would advise him to marry a fellow unbeliever. God wouldn't want a Christian to be unequally yoked with your friend (1 Cor 6:14-15), but God still expects unbelievers to honor the institution of marriage (Gen 2:24). As Christians, it's our job to tell people who they can or can't marry. Unbelievers should marry unbelievers of the opposite sex and maintain lifelong monogamous relationships even though they will be incapable of loving their spouses and any children they may have and will end up burning in hell for eternity anyway. If your unbelieving friend marries, God still won't love him, but He might hate him less.

Virginia D. Templeton 05-10-2013 02:56 PM

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This is like making a victim identity out of not liking broccoli. I doubt many people enjoy copulating with their spouses, but it's what God commands us to do. So stop being babies, grit your teeth, and get it over with!

That's all I have to say about "asexuals".

lukasekman 05-10-2013 09:51 PM

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According to a new report by the U.S. Department of Family Values, common co-possessions to asexuality include self-cutting, anorexia nervosa, borderline personality disorder, hatred of the opposite gender and devil worship.

Asexuality is usually caused when a self-cutting anorexic lose her boyfriend because he's eventually fed up with all suicide threats. She starts to hate men, starts to worship the devil and joins the Fritzljugend.

Christian Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) suggests corrective rape to remedy the possession. Liberals who claim that it is fine to be a self-cutting asexual is just as wrong as those mad psychiatrists who explain it as a chemical unbalance in the brain.

Pure-Mind 05-19-2013 09:49 PM

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Hello everyone, i'm a french atheist and i'm asexual too (however i never talk about asexuality, including the word itself, because it is so misunderstood and a bit pointless after all).
I really respect people's beliefs, so please don't see my coming as a shoot-out.

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Originally Posted by Ex-Viking (Post 1001807)
Asexuality is a perversion and should be illegal, it is no different than homosexuality, beastiality and necrophelia. Most of them are probably just closet fags anyway.

How can you see asexuality as a perversion ? Obviously it is rather the absence of it.
It is absolutely not immoral, so your comparison with necrophilia and others is completely irrevelant.
Should be illegal, seriously ? No, but put pressure on a person to have sex, it is. Law protects our bodies, and you have no choice but to deal with it. Sorry sir...

And besides, i'm not a closet fag. I have no attraction to men and i'm absolutely repulsed by homosexuality, so don't deny the reality please.

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Originally Posted by Virginia D. Templeton
I doubt many people enjoy copulating with their spouses, but it's what God commands us to do.

The end doesn't justify the means and no one should force himself to copulate, we are not robots but humans.
And i doubt that God encourages rape, otherwise it would be a big flaw for someone who embodies the absolute perfection.

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Originally Posted by lukasekman
Christian Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) suggests corrective rape to remedy the possession.

I can't believe what i read. But make sure i will fight these horrors, and by my fists if necessary. A body is sacred, no one have the right to profane it.

Pastor Ezekiel 05-19-2013 09:51 PM

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Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself. :rtfm:

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire. :sinner:

James Hutchins 05-19-2013 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pure-Mind (Post 1003828)
Hello everyone, i'm a french atheist and i'm asexual too (however i never talk about asexuality, including the word itself, because it is so misunderstood and a bit pointless after all).
I really respect people's beliefs, so please don't see my coming as a shoot-out.


How can you see asexuality as a perversion ? Obviously it is rather the absence of it.
It is absolutely not immoral, so your comparison with necrophilia and others is completely irrevelant.
Should be illegal, seriously ? No, but put pressure on a person to have sex, it is. Law protects our bodies, and you have no choice but to deal with it. Sorry sir...

And besides, i'm not a closet fag. I have no attraction to men and i'm absolutely repulsed by homosexuality, so don't deny the reality please.


The end doesn't justify the means and no one should force himself to copulate, we are not robots but humans.
And i doubt that God encourages rape, otherwise it would be a big flaw for someone who embodies the absolute perfection.


I can't believe what i read. But make sure i will fight these horrors, and by my fists if necessary. A body is sacred, no one have the right to profane it.

Friend, just because everyone in the world finds you foul and distasteful does not mean you are asexual.:innocent: Jesus wants you.

Crazy ManMan 06-07-2013 06:45 PM

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I got an account specifically to comment this comment.

First of all: God does not hate anybody. He loves everybody,

Secondly: I am a VERY devout Christian and I can say with absolute 900% certainty that nobody chooses to be asexual. Do you think I want to be this way? Hell no! I want to have my very own kids and this is made ten thousand times hard that sexual activity makes me want to puke (as I am sure gay sex would make you puke). It is not caused by some trauma I had or anything, it just never happened, did not want sex as a kid, hit puberty, still did not want sex. Never had a girlfriend and never even tried to get one. Also forcing people that do not believe in Christianity to follow Christian rules is complete bull. We can try and convince them to listen but forcing them is not being very accepting of your fellow man and will only disappoint god. A homosexual (or asexual) can be Christian, they just have much harder trials in resisting temptation because it is hard to resist the temptation of sin.
Not all asexual do not want sex ever. Some of them can only feel sexual attraction if it is a strong emotional relationship with the partner (or other varying requirements).
In response to the comment about asexuals cutting themselves: I call bull, asexuals are just people, like you and me. There as many different asexual people as there are other non asexual people. We are not sick and we do not all have some kind of sick emotional problem.

Also one last thing this smilie thing (this one :lex_12:) Bombing people? That appear to be trying to be portrayed as Muslims. This does not seem very accept or kind the way Christians are supposed to be. We do not bomb people we convert them.

Crazy ManMan 06-07-2013 06:50 PM

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Oh yes and I forgot to mention, your vote thing is very biased. Also asexuality in no way leads to anything like bestiality or pedophilia and neither does homosexuality. That is sickening you would even consider it that way. homosexuality and asexuality will lead the pedophilia and bestiality the way woman's rights to vote lead to hamster's right to vote.

Didymus Much 06-07-2013 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy ManMan (Post 1007469)
...First of all: God does not hate anybody. He loves everybody...

Which god are you talking about? The God of the Bible makes it very clear that He does NOT love everyone.

Luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

That's Jesus talking. Are you going to listen, or keep deluding yourself?

Pastor Isaac Peters 06-07-2013 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pure-Mind (Post 1003828)
And i doubt that God encourages rape, otherwise it would be a big flaw for someone who embodies the absolute perfection.

Then I wonder what this means:

Zechariah 14:1-2: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Or this:

2 Samuel 12:11: Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give [them] unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

The Bible has plenty of other passages about women as spoils of war.

Godfly 06-07-2013 07:46 PM

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I think asexuals are just ugly people.

Pastor Ezekiel 06-07-2013 11:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy ManMan (Post 1007469)
I got an account specifically to comment this comment.

First of all: God does not hate anybody. He loves everybody,

That's not true. God hates the sin AND the sinner, and Jesus is God (John 10:30 I and my Father are one.).

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Lev 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

Please read the WHOLE Bible before it's too late. :rtfm:

Before you complain about the the fact that the verses I cited were from the Old Testament, as if that somehow makes them worthless, consider this:

In the Old Testament, it says that God hates "all workers of iniquity" (Ps 5:5).

In the New Testament, what does Jesus say that he is going to do to these workers of iniquity? Is he going to love them? Is he going to be their pal, and tell them that it's ok to be themselves? Let's see...

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Matt 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I pray that you have found this enlightening.




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Originally Posted by Crazy ManMan (Post 1007469)
Secondly: I am a VERY devout Christian and I can say with absolute 900% certainty that nobody chooses to be asexual. Do you think I want to be this way? Hell no! I want to have my very own kids and this is made ten thousand times hard that sexual activity makes me want to puke (as I am sure gay sex would make you puke). It is not caused by some trauma I had or anything, it just never happened, did not want sex as a kid, hit puberty, still did not want sex. Never had a girlfriend and never even tried to get one. Also forcing people that do not believe in Christianity to follow Christian rules is complete bull. We can try and convince them to listen but forcing them is not being very accepting of your fellow man and will only disappoint god. A homosexual (or asexual) can be Christian, they just have much harder trials in resisting temptation because it is hard to resist the temptation of sin.
Not all asexual do not want sex ever. Some of them can only feel sexual attraction if it is a strong emotional relationship with the partner (or other varying requirements).
In response to the comment about asexuals cutting themselves: I call bull, asexuals are just people, like you and me. There as many different asexual people as there are other non asexual people. We are not sick and we do not all have some kind of sick emotional problem.

Pervet homos (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." Romans 1:31-32

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Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

The Bible is clear: Defend queers, go to hell. If you were a Christian, you would have known this.

WWJDnow 06-08-2013 03:04 AM

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"Asexuality" isn't even a lifestyle choice. It's just a cover story used by ugly people to explain why they don't have a date on Saturday night.

Paragon of virtue 06-08-2013 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy ManMan (Post 1007470)
...woman's rights to vote lead to hamster's right to vote.

You make an excellent point here, but quite frankly on certain issues we would probably be better off with the hamster...1 Corinthians 14:34...but this shouldn't translate into denying good, white, Christian women the right to vote because if she is Godly she will submit to her husband Ephesians 5:22 which in turn means that she should vote for the candidate that her husband tells her to vote for...which if they are a Christian, logically leads to more Republicans in places of authority, and that's just good news for everybody. Now, if the wife forgets to make dinner, wash dishes or complete her other chores because she was out being a busy body at the polling place, then maybe a little discipline will be in order when the husband comes home

Back on topic, I think in its way Asexuality may be more perverse even than homers, think about it...Revelation 3:16. It's not that God is confused in any way about this because he has told us to live together as one man and one woman and that we should have relations with one another Genesis 2:18...that hopefully lead to children--Genesis 9:7. The apostle says in 1 Corinthians 7:1-9 that it is too hard for us to stay celibate for long. This is, among several other reasons, why the Catlicks are having so much trouble with their priests. It may be possible to be single for life, but you won't be living the life that God wants for you! You also don't have to look at things that are unpleasant to your eye if you don't want to Psalm 101:3...I mean it's not like you are training to be a gynecologist or anything...if worse comes to worse you can just lay there with your eyes closed and it will be over before you know it...It works for the American tax-payer and it can work for you too!

Pastor Ezekiel 06-08-2013 04:41 AM

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Wait, isn't "asexural" those girls who stuff themselves with Ding-Dongs® and then puke it up later? :unsure:

Ex-Viking 06-08-2013 10:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy ManMan (Post 1007469)
Secondly: I am a VERY devout Christian and I can say with absolute 900% certainty that nobody chooses to be asexual. Do you think I want to be this way? Hell no! I want to have my very own kids and this is made ten thousand times hard that sexual activity makes me want to puke (as I am sure gay sex would make you puke).

Asexuality (just like beastiality, homosexuality, race mixing and other sexual perversions) makes me want to puke. God wants to you have children, many children, that you should train to be soldiers for Christ, and in order to do this, you have to have sex, GOD wants you to get married and SEE YOU have sex. Do you think that you are in a position to stand up to God's will? I am saddened and disgusted to see that you have chosen to be an asexual pervert and a part of the LGBTA community (Lesbian/Gay/Transgender/Asexual)

Think you can get away with being an asexual? Well maybe in this life, but certainly not in the hereafter. All perverts gets raped in hell, but i can guarantee you that Satan will rape you twice as much as the other perverts for your choice to be an asexual


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