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Originally Posted by Johny Joe Hold
I'm not a theologian, so I was pleased to see liberal Pastor John Piper step forward to answer this question.
His answer is NO, absolutely not.
Frankly, I don't know who would ever think to ask such a rediculous queston. I mean, if you are not a member of Landover Baptist Church, you can't even be saved when you are alive.
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Did you read the rest of the article?
He starts off OK, but quickly descends into ridiculous twaddle!
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I can think of one exception, and it's only an exception if you conceive of it a certain way-namely, infants. I believe that infants are saved, that they don't go to hell who die.
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It's a long argument. But when people ask me, "So, are they already saved? Are they born again? Have they believed? You believe that regeneration happens through faith. They haven't believed yet, because they're little babies. So how are they saved, if they're not regenerate since they haven't believed? Where do they get saved if you say they're saved?"
And I back away from those questions because my answer to why I think they're saved isn't based on how they get saved.
I speculate about God instantaneously causing little babies to come into their maturity when they die-I don't know what that would be, a 35 year-old mentality or something-and that immediately they are believers. But all that is speculation, and that's another issue.
I think God's justice in Romans 1:18-21 implies that babies who do not have the resources to construe revelation will not be held accountable for their fallenness. They will be saved by Jesus.
But for everybody else, there is only one opportunity to be saved. And that is: Believe on the Lord Jesus now, and you will be saved.
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This then opens up all manner of "exceptions". "Oh, that child was too young to understand." "No, no, he was slow-witted, and didn't understand either." "That person never heard of Jesus." "He was raped by a priest and never met a True Christian™." And on and on it goes.
Lest you think this ignorant pandering twat has "really hit on something" in Scripture, here's where he gets his idea that infants (and retards, and stupid people, and ignorant people) are auto-Saved:
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Romans 1:18-21
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
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Why is he lying? To keep the butts in the seats at his false church, of course.