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Originally Posted by Devon~
Atheists on the other hand are solid in their belief that there is no God and have no doubts at all that they are right in that belief.
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So the moment an atheist has one single moment of doubt, according to you they stop being an atheist? What a very strange version of fundamentalist atheism you subscribe to.
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Originally Posted by napa valley nan
Problem is, agnostic doesnt fit exactly into "Doesnt Believe In God" cause thats cancelled out by "Doesn't NOT Believe In God". So definition PUSHED an PAINTED on agnostics here not complete.
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Quit your whining. If I had my way, agnostics would be PUSHED down flights of stairs and have "INDECISIVE LUKEWARM GOD-MOCKER" PAINTED on them, so everyone who passed them could jeer at their feeble-minded lack of faith.
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Because it looks like that’s what’s bein PAINTED and PUSHED on agnostics here. An the Christians are fighting to claim us and our atheist cousins are dragging to claim us and WE ARE BETWEEN. Not yes not no.
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If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists. George Bush said that, so it must be true.
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I mean IT upsets people sorry but Agnostic is neutral like Switzerland.
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The Swiss also upset me.
Anyway, this thread raises an interesting question. If agnostics don't exist because they're secrely atheists, and
atheists don't exist because deep down they know that God exists, does that mean that agnostics are non-existent twice over? That sounds like an awful lot of trouble, and what on earth do they hope to gain from it?
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