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Originally Posted by Sword of the Spirit
Aye. Perhaps a direct approach is too confrontational.
Here's a more conversational approach. I think that you guys are actual Christians, only that you're a bit legalistic on your views.
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That's the nicest insult I have had all month.
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Originally Posted by Sword of the Spirit
Hey, I'm okay with that, it's just that I think that you're complicating God's grace. (I can already feel the counter-arguments...) Jesus' opponents were almost always the Pharisees, who wanted to make sure that the law was followed to the letter and so overlooked many of Jesus' miracles.
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The Pharisees only believed in Gen, Ex., Lev. and Deut. They were only concerned with the Law. I think you will find we are much more diverse in our readings. We accept the entire Old Testament and the New Testament.
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The old testament contains many truths, but I believe that the core bits of our (yes, you and me) theology should come from the new testament,
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Most of the New Testament comes from the Old.
Matthew 22:37-39 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Where did Jesus get those sayings from?
Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Leviticus 19:17-18 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
What did Jesus say when Satan tried to tempt Him?
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Where did Jesus get that from?
Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
So tell me where Jesus came to abolish the law?
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Originally Posted by Sword of the Spirit
"I am not free from God's law, but am under Christ's law"
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As lain out in Matthew 5? Perhaps you have read it.
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.