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Old 01-05-2014, 07:47 PM
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Wedgie Sue McLocklin comes this way every couple of weeks from East Rutherford to hock her Avon products to the good ladies of this area. Mother is on the fence about using cosmetics but Father gives permission as long as we stay home. He doesn't want us going outside looking like a painted Jezebel.

Anyway, Wedgie always has these sample products that she tosses about like salt on a winter road. I was wondering if it is wrong to simply stock up on those instead of paying for the expensive bottles of perfume and lipsticks; some of those lipsticks cost enough to feed a family of four. I am all about being thrifty but I don't want to sin against the LORD OF HOSTS in any way at all. Wedgie does deserve to make a living outside of her part-time job as a life coach to the rich and famous (one of her clients is Olympia Dukakis).

When my mother was young, she loved the fragrance "Roses, Roses," but she said it made her smell like a funeral home. Her sister liked "Sweet Honesty," but it didn't agree with her and sort of came off like a scallop or some other sort of seafood. Incandessence and Celebre are nice, but I'm at a loss whether they are age appropriate. Wedgie has tons of samples of both and they are easily squeezed into a bottle if you have enough patience.
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Wedgie Sue McLocklin comes this way every couple of weeks from East Rutherford to hock her Avon products to the good ladies of this area. Mother is on the fence about using cosmetics but Father gives permission as long as we stay home. He doesn't want us going outside looking like a painted Jezebel.

Anyway, Wedgie always has these sample products that she tosses about like salt on a winter road. I was wondering if it is wrong to simply stock up on those instead of paying for the expensive bottles of perfume and lipsticks; some of those lipsticks cost enough to feed a family of four. I am all about being thrifty but I don't want to sin against the LORD OF HOSTS in any way at all. Wedgie does deserve to make a living outside of her part-time job as a life coach to the rich and famous (one of her clients is Olympia Dukakis).

When my mother was young, she loved the fragrance "Roses, Roses," but she said it made her smell like a funeral home. Her sister liked "Sweet Honesty," but it didn't agree with her and sort of came off like a scallop or some other sort of seafood. Incandessence and Celebre are nice, but I'm at a loss whether they are age appropriate. Wedgie has tons of samples of both and they are easily squeezed into a bottle if you have enough patience.
Wearing a little make up for a young lady in wedlock so her husband does not look as if he married a pig is fine, I would suggest.

Any other reason would mean the 'woman' is a whorish fornicating slut who puts her words and deeds of sexual misconduct and filthy ways before Jesus.

Ephesians 5:3-6 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

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The Lord richly bless you for your insight, handsome Dr. Niles.

How is your nephew's life-training going? I know you are striving to shew him the ways of Jesus in a world full of unnatural affections. Is it still necessary for you to personally witness his showers, etc., or has he become steadfast in prayer prior to such dangerous times?

I so admire the posts you've placed here; it shows the love you have for young boys and your desires for them to be soldiers for Christ.

I pray for your nephew daily!

By the way, Wedgie has Wild County samples for men if you'd like some.
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To me there is nothing more pleasing to the nose than the God-given natural scent of a woman in all its glory that those cosmetic fragrances simply mask.

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And it shall come to passe, that in steade of sweete smell, there shall bee stinke; and in stead of a girdle, a rent; and in stead of well set haire, baldnesse; and in stead of a stomacher, a girding of sackecloth; and burning, in stead of beautie.
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I believe my answer to your question as to whether these Avon products are sinful in and of themselves and whether it is sinful to use them is:

Technically, no, but...
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I'm not sure. God doesn't like adornment. I admit, I do put on a little make-up when I'm out searching for a good Christian husband, but not much - just a touch of lippy and a puff of powder!


1 Peter 3:3-4 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Matthew 6:25-33 25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shallhe not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Luke 12:22-31 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on. 23 The life is more than meat, and the body ismore than raiment. 24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? 25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? 26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest? 27 Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more willheclothe you, O ye of little faith? 29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. 30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. 31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
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This boy seems to think otherwise.

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I've always been a little skeptical of these MLM sales schemes (Avon, Mary Kay, Tupperware, etc.) aimed at women. On the one hand it keeps their focus on the home where they belong, and on the other hand it provides them with a source of income to spend on frivolous things that is not under control of the man of the house.

If women were really interested in business they would have joined Junior Achievement some time during their upbringing, but such is not the case. Consider that during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression women were largely responsible for putting a nigra ACORN community organizer in charge at the White House, and as typical one who has an inbred aversion to real work and jobs.

Decades before "Women's" magazines and the internet, these women focused MLM marketing schemes provided "networking" amongst women and sowed the seeds of our modern malaise and discontent - leading to the dramatic rise in divorce rates, lezbeanism, and socialism.

Do we really know what goes on at those Tupperware "parties", or just what happens when that iconic doorbell rings announcing "Avon calling"? Avon is a particular suspect because they have been at it the longest. Here is a picture of Avon's "role model" dating from 1886 - a Mrs. P.F.E. Albee.

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How true that is!
My Avon lady spends hours in my home adorning my body with her wares, despite my protests. And then I just buy soap from her so that I can shower after she leaves. I'm always so hot and sweaty when she goes, that a shower is required.
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This boy seems to think otherwise.
Interesting video, Pastor Zeke, but I can't help thinking that if had intended us to pay heed to that young man, He would have made him more articulate.

I worry that organizations like Avon lead women to get uppity, like this one. You will notice that at the age of 31 she still has a "partner" (a rather dodgy-looking one at that) rather than a husband. And there is no mention of children.

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Wedgie is really upset, but I made the decision to not have her visit us again. Since it is apparent I will be an old maid anyway, it makes no sense for me to clog my pores with makeup and smell like a trollop.

I know the men of Landover Baptist will likely tell their womenfolk to do the same as I have done - after all, you aren't drawn by superficial beauty. You would much rather have a natural look as Christ intended.

Holiness is vastly more important. I am grateful for the insight.

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Wedgie is really upset, but I made the decision to not have her visit us again. Since it is apparent I will be an old maid anyway, it makes no sense for me to clog my pores with makeup and smell like a trollop.

I know the men of Landover Baptist will likely tell their womenfolk to do the same as I have done - after all, you aren't drawn by superficial beauty. You would much rather have a natural look as Christ intended.
A responsible decision, Miss Lamb [subject to Pastoral approval].

The Bible makes it quite clear where painting oneself up or wearing trollopy things may lead. Jezebel is the classic example. To understand her we need to get a little background and I hope the parallel with modern liberal ideals is clear.

Judges 18:7 Then the five men departed, and came to Laish, and saw the people that were therein, how they dwelt careless, after the manner of the Zidonians, quiet and secure; and there was no magistrate in the land, that might put them to shame in any thing; and they were far from the Zidonians, and had no business with any man. KJV

Dwelling without a care, quietly and secure with no magistrates hanging around wanting to look in one's tobacco pouch or question matters of public decency so in other words like a hippie commune. Why bring up the Zidonians you may ask?

I Kings 16:30-33a And Ahab the son of Omri did evil in the sight of the LORD above all that were before him. And it came to pass, as if it had been a light thing for him to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that he took to wife Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Zidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshipped him. And he reared up an altar for Baal in the house of Baal, which he had built in Samaria. And Ahab made a grove; KJV

So it's about as hippie as you can get. The "grove" is a sort of down market forest venue for Mrs Baal, clothing optional, free toadstools. The décor is mentioned elsewhere HERE for instance, woven hangings, astrology, incense we're getting the picture are we? All it needs is a bit of Jimi Hendrix & a magic lantern and we'd have the summer of love all over again. But that is not love is it.

That's the background. This trollop had her hooks into God's Chosen People well and good. God and Elisha were not amused. Here's what happened next:

II Kings 9:29-37 And in the eleventh year of Joram the son of Ahab began Ahaziah to reign over Judah. And when Jehu was come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she painted her face, and tired her head, and looked out at a window. And as Jehu entered in at the gate, she said, Had Zimri peace, who slew his master? And he lifted up his face to the window, and said, Who is on my side? who? And there looked out to him two or three eunuchs. And he said, Throw her down. So they threw her down: and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses: and he trode her under foot. And when he was come in, he did eat and drink, and said, Go, see now this cursed woman, and bury her: for she is a king's daughter. And they went to bury her: but they found no more of her than the skull, and the feet, and the palms of her hands. Wherefore they came again, and told him. And he said, This is the word of the LORD, which he spake by his servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel shall dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel: And the carcase of Jezebel shall be as dung upon the face of the field in the portion of Jezreel; so that they shall not say, This is Jezebel. KJV

The painted hippie is irksome enough without lip-gloss parties. It's not just the product. It's the associated behaviour. And whether or not trolloping is the intention it is most certainly a possibility as we all know; hence the expression painted Jezebel even after all these years.

I hope her history helps others to choose wisely as I am myself always guided in matters of dress and general presentation by the word of God. Appearances are important and none of us want our intentions to be misunderstood.


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