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What part of only some African tribes do you not understand? And again I ask, did you read what I've quoted here from Isis Unveiled? Also, H.P.B. was indeed referring to the process of devolution. However, in order for us to even begin to grasp what she was talking about in full context, we would have to have at the very least an intellectual understanding of the processes of Dependent Origination and Interdependence (related to Karma), and Devolution, Involution, Evolution, and Revolution.

If what H.P. Blavatsky wrote was inherently racist, she would have written that all African Tribes are devolving. Yet, she did not say any such thing. Did you read the said quote I've posted here from Isis Unveiled?

Also, in the Theosophical and Gnostic view, people of devolving tribes (or devolving people in general, who do not repent before entering the Second Death) get another chance of attaining true happiness after they have finished undergoing the long and painful process of the Second Death (the process where failed souls pay their karma in the hell realms); whereas in the conventional "Christian" view, they would have to undergo the Second Death for all eternity for not "believing in Jesus". So at least the Gnostic view is both more logical and more compassionate.
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To answer your question, no aesthetic form represents divinity. Even the tenebreous ones may appear beautiful and pure. However, the "European" form is the form in which the gods manifest.

Do you happen to know why the gods supposedly choose to manifest in the "European" form, and not other forms?


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It is a black hood of a black winter coat. That is all.

If you truly believe that it is the color of a man's attire that defines him, know that it is only that - belief. Lo, superstition.

I do not believe such a thing. Although I do want to ask, what was Samael Aun Weor referring to when he wrote that all White Magicians never wear a black hood? Are you implying that he was referring to in the Internal Planes only?


Anyway, I've recently read some of your older posts here and this post, in the context of this thread is interesting.
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To clarify, the first post on this page is addressed to Rev. M. Rodimer, and the second post on this page is obviously addressed to Han Gebur.
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Do you happen to know why the gods supposedly choose to manifest in the "European" form, and not other forms?
It is the most refined, evolutionarily exemplary and conveys the highest beautiful of this planet. The Caucasoid morphology is the apex of humanoid aestheticism on this world.

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I do not believe such a thing. Although I do want to ask, what was Samael Aun Weor referring to when he wrote that all White Magicians never wear a black hood? Are you implying that he was referring to in the Internal Planes only?
Did he say, "No white magician" or "No master"? What is the context of his statement? Do you, per chance, think that the White Lodge dictates the color and attire of the black lodges? Do you, per chance, believe that it is physically impossible for a black magician to wear a white hood? These are things you should ponder.

There is no such thing as an evil color. There is no such thing as an evil garment. You forget that Aun Weor is not the Master. Samael is the Master. Samael, the Master, walks in the superior sephirah. In the superior realms a black hood, a black hat, a black bandana, any black item covering the head signifies something. It is language that is seen as much as understood. It conveys a meaning and presents itself outside the constraints of 48 laws.

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Anyway, I've recently read some of your older posts here and this post, in the context of this thread is interesting.
That post and even this thread were created over 3 years ago. Three years are a lite stroll for some, a brisk jog for many and a great journey for few (for better or worse). In the greater majority of cases, not a single step is taken. I count myself amongst the few.

To answer your question, the 3 year old post you are inquiring about has no context to this thread today. That black rebellion is all but cosmic dust. Lo, the chorus of those traitors has been silenced.
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It is the most refined, evolutionarily exemplary and conveys the highest beautiful of this planet. The Caucasoid morphology is the apex of humanoid aestheticism on this world.

This statement to me is a rather subjective view. Although I digress, as each one is entitled to their own view.


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Did he say, "No white magician" or "No master"? What is the context of his statement? Do you, per chance, think that the White Lodge dictates the color and attire of the black lodges? Do you, per chance, believe that it is physically impossible for a black magician to wear a white hood? These are things you should ponder.

There is no such thing as an evil color. There is no such thing as an evil garment. You forget that Aun Weor is not the Master. Samael is the Master. Samael, the Master, walks in the superior sephirah. In the superior realms a black hood, a black hat, a black bandana, any black item covering the head signifies something. It is language that is seen as much as understood. It conveys a meaning and presents itself outside the constraints of 48 laws.

Of course it is physically possible that a black magician might wear a white hood. And Samael Aun Weor did not say that a black hat, or a black bandana, or black shawl, etc. is never worn by White Masters. But he did write that a black hood is never worn by White Masters because a black hood is only for black magicians. If not in the physical world, then in the internal worlds.


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This statement to me is a rather subjective view. Although I digress, as each one is entitled to their own view.
It is not subjective. The Caucasoid stands at the peak of evolutionary progress, crafted throughout eons in the visage of the gods. The subraces do not derive their aesthetic qualities from the same evolutionary process.

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Of course it is physically possible that a black magician might wear a white hood. And Samael Aun Weor did not say that a black hat, or a black bandana, or black shawl, etc. is never worn by White Masters. But he did write that a black hood is never worn by White Masters because a black hood is only for black magicians. If not in the physical world, then in the internal worlds.
Yes, that is what he wrote. Nothing contrary has been stated. You have demonstrated that you can read and recite. What do you hope to accomplish by repeating yourself?
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Why does nothing you people are talking about make any sense of what I understand as Gnosticism?

To me, Gnostic means Valentinius, Apocrypha of John or the Apocalypse of James.

Samael seems to have made things up as he went along and called it Gnostic.
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Gnosis and Gnosticism are not necessarily always the same thing. It is taught that there have indeed been Magi (Priests) who taught about Gnosis under the name Gnosticism; however, it is also taught that Gnosis is not limited to Gnosticism, because Gnosis is the Root Wisdom of all authentic Religions, and is why Samael Aun Weor teaches about Gnosis using Buddhist, Hindu, Islamic, etc. terminologies as well.

Nonetheless, Samael Aun Weor also taught about and commented on that which is called Gnosticism, and the following thread in another forum has compiled references to just about everything publicly available by Samael Aun Weor on the topic:


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What the heck is this? This has nothing to do with even pseudepigrapha.

Samael will have a special place in hell next to Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubbard and the guy who made up the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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Even though Samael Aun Weor taught that Jesus is the highest Master, he also did not exclude the Gnosis found in other Religions. What does it matter if Samael Aun Weor didn't focus solely on the Nag Hammadi, Apocrypha, Pseudepigrapha, etc.? Christian Gnosis was forced to go underground for a long time (even though Gnosis is veiled in the canonical Christian Gospels. See Matthew 13:10-11), whereas other Religions like Tibetan Buddhism and Sufism were able to flourish out in the open for a long time without getting persecuted so much (for the most part anyway). Therefore, Samael Aun Weor taught about the Gnosis that is within other Religions along with Christian Gnosticism, in order for those with Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. backgrounds to be able to reconcile the Great Arcanum of Gnosis with their own traditions.
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Han Gebur, I would like to reply soon, within the next couple days or so if not sooner....
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Even though Samael Aun Weor taught that Jesus is the highest Master, he also did not exclude the Gnosis found in other Religions.

What does it matter if Samael Aun Weor didn't focus solely on the Nag Hammadi, Apocrypha, Pseudepigrapha, etc.? Christian Gnosis was forced to go underground for a long time (even though Gnosis is veiled in the canonical Christian Gospels. See Matthew 13:10-11), whereas other Religions like Tibetan Buddhism and Sufism were able to flourish out in the open for a long time without getting persecuted so much (for the most part anyway). Therefore, Samael Aun Weor taught about the Gnosis that is within other Religions along with Christian Gnosticism, in order for those with Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. backgrounds to be able to reconcile the Great Arcanum of Gnosis with their own traditions.
Wouldn't you agree that is where the problem lies? The true divine scriptures tell us that no man can come to the Father except through Jesus. You can clearly see that we could never deviate from the path set before us. Yaweh is not particularly understanding of, er, variances.
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Wouldn't you agree that is where the problem lies? The true divine scriptures tell us that no man can come to the Father except through Jesus. You can clearly see that we could never deviate from the path set before us. Yaweh is not particularly understanding of, er, variances.
You maintain, within the confines of this forum, that the Holy Bible KJV 1611 is to be interpreted literally, correct?
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He'll say, "Yes, and not just within the confines of this forum, but in the whole of every aspect of my life", so your point is?
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About the black hood thing, apparently I'm missing something (and I'm being sincere here, not sarcastic), so I'll just drop the issue here for now in regard to it.

Anyway, moving forward:

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Since all racial religions are lunar, the Jewish religion is lunar.
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Up until now (note: 1956), I have only known two people who are prepared for Gnosis: an illiterate Indian Mama (shaman) and a woman (note: Lady Litelantes?).
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We cannot accept any type of racial prejudice, because the White Lodge is universal.

Masters from all races exist within our venerable White Lodge. We must not forget that Master Moria and Master Kout Humi belong to the yellow race.

The white race is not superior nor inferior than other races. Simply, it is different, that is all.
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"The First Root Race was gigantic and black in color...."

"They are the Glacial Men, who, for the good of this poor suffering humanity, still exist."

"Individuals of such a group which correspond to the first race.... ...have preserved their original purity."

"Presently, the members of such a group, have a beautiful human size and presence similar to our own.


"They have perfect bodies of flesh and bone, and great wisdom. Indeed, they are the living prototype of what all of the populace of the Earth should be."

From this it seems we can gather that the epitome of Human aesthetic perfection would be of black skin and also of a aquiline or straight nose; perhaps similar to some non-"Australoid" dark-brown/black skinned Dravidians, Tamils, dark skinned Arabs, dark skinned (Elamite?) Farsis, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Egyptians, etc.


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And I beheld, and lo a black horse (the black race and any dark skinned race such as, Hindustani, African, etc. this horse also represents honest labor): And he that sat on him (the black race and any dark skinned race, Arab, Hindustani, etc.) had a pair of balances in his hand (slavery). And I heard the voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
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At that time, during the Atlantean civilization, the Hyperboreans, the Second Root Race, who were vehicles of the Elohim, crystallized physically. So, these Hyperboreans, physically speaking, came together with those people of Noah, and through White Tantra they multiplied and created the Shemites.

The Shemites were the fifth Sub-race of the Atlantean Root Race, which was the outcome of the crossing of the fourth Sub-race of Atlantis (those that practiced White Tantra) with the Hyperboreans - not with the Turanians, because the Turanians were going to be destroyed, for their evilness. Thus the Shemites were multiplying more and more, that is why it is stated that the Shemites were prohibited to sexually cross with the Turanians that were practicing Black Magic, in order not to contaminate themselves with Black Tantra. This is how we have to understand the forbiddance of the Shemites to cross with the races of other Atlantean civilizations, during the Atlantean Epoch.

From the Shemites came Ham and Japheth, biblically speaking. Ham and Japheth represent the other subsequent Sub-races; Ham was the sixth, and Japheth, the seventh; they were the outcome of White Tantra. Ham, the sixth Sub-race, is also referred to as the Arcadians, which are also mentioned in many books; and Japheth, the seventh subrace as the Mongolians, who as a sub-race still exists in Asia; the present Mongolians are the outcome of that seventh Sub-race of the Atlantean Epoch. This is why when Noah and his “family” came out of Atlantis, they established themselves in the Gobi Desert; in that desert is precisely were our present Aryan Root Race began.

So, that is the story of the origins of our present Aryan Root Race. The Shemites, Ham and Japheth, and all those subsequent crossings of the peoples of White Tantra, established themselves in the Gobi desert, which were the Mongolians, and there they established the basis of our present civilization, or root race, which is called the Aryan Root Race.

The great flood happened in order to clean the Earth of evilness, that is, the Turanians who were dedicated to fornication and black magic. Nevertheless, some remnants of the Turanians escaped from the flood, thus, the White Lodge was fighting against them, until finally, they were destroyed completely. The story of that fight is written in the Book of Exodus, by Moses. When Moses came out of Egypt - Egypt is a reference to Mizrahim (Malkuth) in the Atlantean Epoch. Moses led the people out of Mizrahim to the Promised Lands, in order to give origin to this root race, the Aryan Root Race.

The Aryan Root Race

After the universal flood by which the Turanians were destroyed, then the Golden Age of our present Root Race started, in Tibet, the outcome of the crossing of those Hyperboreans with the Atlanteans. At that time, the prohibition of not crossing themselves with other races ended; the Shemites were then allowed to cross themselves with other Aryan races, on the European continent, and the Asian continent, in order to give birth to the Aryan Root Race.

So, the prohibition of the Shemites to not cross with the other races was only during the Atlantean Epoch, but in the beginning of the Aryan Root Race, that prohibition was cancelled. This is how the Aryan Root Race established themselves on these continents that we know now on the planet Earth. Many civilizations and great cities of wisdom existed in Tibet, and from Tibet, the people established in India and in China, the second Sub-race of our present Aryan Root Race, that was the Golden Age, you find stories of past civilizations and great kings, great masters that existed in that Epoch.
The Hyperboreans are the origins of the White Race, and they apparently originated either during the Second Root Race of the Second Round, or during the Second Root Race of the current Fourth Round. How exactly did they originate physically? Through selective breeding?

As you've said, yes I must mainly find these answers within through Meditation. And I'm working on it, preparing my Meditation space, etc.

Regardless, why aren't the Root Races and Sub-Races described more clearly, and with greater detail? Their descriptions are always so vague in the various White Lodge writings.

And IF the White Lodge itself sees the Caucasian race as superior, or of the highest height of evolution, etc.; why don't they just come out and say it–as you have–instead of seeming "racist" one minute and "not racist" the next?

Also, know that I do realize that IF the Caucasian or "Nordic" races were somehow actually the perfect image of the Divine, or the peak of aesthetic perfection, etc.; that to say so would not be racist, but just a fact.... Nevertheless, until I can see the Akashic Records for myself, I'll refer primarily to Samael Aun Weor's writings themselves (as seen above and elsewhere); and secondarily to what others say about what he wrote.


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Since all racial religions are lunar, the Jewish religion is lunar.
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We cannot accept any type of racial prejudice, because the White Lodge is universal.

Masters from all races exist within our venerable White Lodge. We must not forget that Master Moria and Master Kout Humi belong to the yellow race.

The white race is not superior nor inferior than other races. Simply, it is different, that is all.
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He'll say, "Yes, and not just within the confines of this forum, but in the whole of every aspect of my life", so your point is?
Thank you for your response.

Given your literal interpretation of the Holy Bible KJV 1611, I would like to get your perspective on the following:

“ Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” - 1 John 3:9

“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” - 1 Corinthians 15: 35-44
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"The yellow-faced giants of the post-Atlantean day, had ample time, throughout this forced confinement to one part of the world, and with the same racial blood and without any fresh infusion or admixture in it, to branch off during a period of nearly 700,000 years into the most heterogeneous and diversified types.

"The same is shown in Africa; nowhere does a more extraordinary variability of types exist, from black to almost white, from gigantic men to dwarfish races; and this only because of their forced isolation. The Africans have never left their continent for several hundred thousands of years.

"If to-morrow the continent of Europe were to disappear and other lands to re-emerge instead; and if the African tribes were to separate and scatter on the face of the earth, it is they who, in about a hundred thousand years hence, would form the bulk of the civilized nations.

"And it is the descendants of those of our highly cultured nations, who might have survived on some one island, without any means of crossing the new seas, that would fall back into a state of relative savagery.

"Thus the reason given for dividing humanity into superior and inferior races falls to the ground and becomes a fallacy."
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The emoticons on the website are totally out of control.

Anyway, another relevant quote:

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The white race must be the first to stretch out the hand of fellowship to the dark nations, to call the poor despised "nigger" brothers. This prospect may not smile to all. He is no Theosophist who objects to this principle. . . .
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And FYI, I have read the Bible from cover to cover, and have also read from cover to cover many other scriptures and Gnostic books.
Apparently you have read, but not understood...

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Apparently you have read, but not understood...

1 Chronicles 28:19
And I did not claim to have understood. The part of my reply that you've quoted here was only in response to Rev. M. Rodimer's implying that I had never even read the Bible, that's all.

The original purpose of my posting here, was because I had stumbled upon Han Gebur's first post of this thread which contains racial interpretations of which are not supported by the writings of H.P. Blavatsky and Samael Aun Weor.

Now if Han Gebur is basing what he's written here on what he saw in the internal worlds, that's fine. But until I (or better said my Essence) am (is) more competent in regard to carrying out my own investigations in the internal worlds, I will have to rely for now on what Samael Aun Weor and H.P. Blavatsky actually wrote.

Now IF the White Lodge sees the White Race as superior evolution-wise, it is covert (and therefore deceptive); because Samael Aun Weor himself specifically wrote (see Igneous Rose) that the White Race is not better than any other race, and that the White Race is simply different. And H.P. Blavatsky is of course quoted here as having written that the Darker-Skinned Races are overall just as intelligent if not more-so than the White Races.

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