[Levi Jones]

Originally Posted by Lutheran Born/Hell Bound

So then it's still illegal for her to put that there since im excluded ok

You are not excluded. By signing up here you agreed that you were over the age of 18. You don't have a legal leg to stand on.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Originally Posted by craigxavierwatts

What do you tell a women who's got 2 black eyes?
Nothing you haven't told her twice already.

America a peaceful country? hardly, as didymus said, 2nd amendment?
I don't think the situations that people use guns in the US can all be classed as emergencies, going to the theatre to see Batman????
Almost anyone can own a gun and go on a killing spree it seems.

Nice avatar by the way didymus, I read the article earlier on in the week on the painting, kinda amusing/sad.

Hello, ADHD much?!? Pick a topic and stick with it.

You unsaved retards are all the same, your brains are pickled from all the marihuana.

And your threat to shoot us all on your drugged out, hopped-up "killing spree" has been forwarded to the authorities.

[MissDK]

She probably isn't a truly christian yet. You did what you have to, as she clearly doesn't know her place. I pray she'll get some sense into her and come home to you. If not, you might have to hold her trapped for a while, so you can explain her the words of God and why she must obey. That should help her. I pray for her soul.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by MissDK

She probably isn't a truly christian yet. You did what you have to, as she clearly doesn't know her place. I pray she'll get some sense into her and come home to you. If not, you might have to hold her trapped for a while, so you can explain her the words of God and why she must obey. That should help her. I pray for her soul.

I pray that you go to the Introduction Forum and follow the idiot-proof instructions at the top of that page to provide your very own introduction thread.

[craigxavierwatts]

Originally Posted by Capt. Aaron Portway

Hello, ADHD much?!? Pick a topic and stick with it.

You unsaved retards are all the same, your brains are pickled from all the marihuana.

And your threat to shoot us all on your drugged out, hopped-up "killing spree" has been forwarded to the authorities.

Sorry too much for you to cope with mentioning more than 1 thing?

I didn't see it in the rules that it's forbidden and unless you can provide scripture then I don't see the problem.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by craigxavierwatts

Sorry too much for you to cope with mentioning more than 1 thing?

I didn't see it in the rules that it's forbidden and unless you can provide scripture then I don't see the problem.

It may not be against the rules, but if you want to convince someone of your position, you should try being courteous and logical.

[Bag of bad creepers]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

It may not be against the rules, but if you want to convince someone of your position, you should try being courteous and logical.

Erm.. like you are, Mary ?! Courteous and logical, indeed !

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Bag of bad creepers

Erm.. like you are, Mary ?! Courteous and logical, indeed !

My Sister in Christ is nothing but courteous, and displays True Christian™ logic at all times.

I often am tempted to envy her patience when dealing with the God-hating likes of you.

[justinwillis1997]

He did not go through nine months of pain give or take all he did was produce the x

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by justinwillis1997

He did not go through nine months of pain give or take all he did was produce the x

Please quote the person to whom you are responding.

Better yet, introduce yourself in our convenient Introduction forum so we can get to know you.

[death to witches]

Lord willin some day I get a wife that I can hit. I learned how to hit from my dad he spanked me and hit my mom so many times. I pray that someday I can be just like him.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by justinwillis1997

He did not go through nine months of pain give or take all he did was produce the x

What has that got to do with if women need a bit of a slap or worse every now and again to keep them on the right path and raising the children right while keeping things clean and cooking the food?

Next you'll be telling me women's emotions are actual thoughts worthy of consideration.

[Harriet]

Originally Posted by Joseph McManus

Well she didn't abide by the 24 hour period I allowed her, I checked the first house I thought she might be at and her car was in the driveway. I went to the local Walmart and got a few items and returned around midnight and made my way into the house. I gave her the option to come home once again and she declined and I made it known in no uncertain terms that I wasn't happy with her decision.

But the good news is that I've secured possession of my two boys. My wife apparently had told them a few lies about me and I've had a talk with them about that. But they were tired and stressed so I tucked them in and let them sleep. I'll wait until things have settled down to begin explaining that Mommy was a bad person who made a decision to reject God. In the meantime I'm just glad to have them back and ready to take the next step in our lives.

I do not understand why you have given her a time period. You slapped her across her face. I understand that some Christians may want to have a CDD household, which I think is fine as long as both the husband and wife agree, but what I do NOT understand is how you think that you had the right to just tell her to drop her business, her entire life's work and then for you to slap her when she questioned your sanity.

How could you think that she is completely in the wrong and that she has rejected God? I'm a Christian and I am ANGRY at this situation. First of all, she wants time to think about your demand that she just DROP everything she's worked for. Do you not understand human emotion at all? We all have emotions and you can never help the way you feel (though you can help how you act on those emotions) and she is most probably confused, upset and angry that you have first of all asked her to drop her job that she works so hard for, then, when she questions you, you SLAP her. Of course she won't like it!! I understand that you believe that a woman should completely obey her husband and so therefore you believe that technically she should drop anything you ask. Fine - I get that. But what I don't understand is why you are not letting her have time to think and heal and become strong. What would Jesus do? God is an ever-forgiving, omnibenevolent, all-loving God. Would he treat a woman like that? No. He would give her the freedom to feel her emotions and ride them out.

You all bang on about how women are 'over-emotional' and 'scatter-brained' and yet you do not seem to accept these traits that are God-given, seeing as they are seemingly in a woman's human nature. God created the ontology of women, not us! Why won't you give her time and space and if/when she decides to follow your Christian beliefs, you should welcome her and completely forgive her. In fact, you should forgive her anyway. That is what is says in the Bible. All over the place, in fact.

Which then leads me on to the topic of whether spanking/hitting is acceptable anyway. I know that people justify it by using the submit to your husband quote in the bible and about the rod and spoilt child quote. But at what point does that refer to using the rod on your wife. Your wife is not your child, nor should she be treated like one. If the bible is so specific on things such as hair-dos and cattle grazing, I think, if it was acceptable, it would say so. But it doesn't. Nor does it even SUGGEST physically disciplining your wife. Yes, it does say about rod for fools, but I refuse to accept that this applies to your wife. Having an opinion is in a human's ontology! Why should you hit her and think that it was okay with her when she didn't give you permission to do so?

You say that God made you do it. (He might well have done, and it's not up to me to say nor to doubt or believe) Even if He did, I'm pretty sure He would want you to at least understand or try to sympathize with a fellow human being's emotions. I refuse to believe that God would teach you to suddenly demand that your wife drop all that she's worked for, then on the spur of the moment, slap her and then get angry when she's not sure about the relationship.

Just for a moment, place yourself in a woman's shoes. I'm a Christian, and I know I have to learn some humility, and I understand about the submission thing. But would women really want a man to treat them the way you treated your wife? Without even an explanation.

And to the guy who said: "Remember, you don't owe her any explanations" or whatever the exact quote was, YES, I think you might well owe her an explanation, seeing as doing such an extreme action, then keeping her in the dark about it is NOT a loving thing to do, and I believe that husbands are commanded to love and respect their wife in the Bible? Yes. It does indeed say that. What is respectful about the way you've kept her in the dark with no explanation or discussion. At least have a discussion. While you may believe that the husband gets the final say, at least you will have tried to help her understand what you think you've been told by God.

I hope your marriage gets better and that both of you understand each other and what God wants from you.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Harriet

I understand that some Christians may want to have a CDD household, which I think is fine as long as both the husband and wife agree, but what I do NOT understand is how you think that you had the right to just tell her to drop her business, her entire life's work and then for you to slap her when she questioned your sanity.

Can you please share the scripture you find referring to the wife agreeing with the husband before submitting herself to him?

Originally Posted by Harriet

I understand that you believe that a woman should completely obey her husband and so therefore you believe that technically she should drop anything you ask. Fine - I get that. But what I don't understand is why you are not letting her have time to think and heal and become strong.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here, dear. Either you understand the LORD expects a wife to be submissive, or you understand wife should be submissive when she wants (which isn't being submissive, is it?). Which is it?

Originally Posted by Harriet

What would Jesus do? God is an ever-forgiving, omnibenevolent, all-loving God.

How do you come to this conclusion? There are a great many people God has never forgiven, people who died in His disfavor. In fact, we know the number of people God forgives is small, small is the gate that leads to Life after all. (Matthew 7:14)

Originally Posted by Harriet

Would he treat a woman like that? No. He would give her the freedom to feel her emotions and ride them out.

In all the passages we read about the LORD formalizing the sale and trade of women, where do you read He is concerned about them having time to ride out their emotions? (Judges 21:10-24; Numbers 31:7-18; Deuteronomy 20:10-14; Deuteronomy 22:28-29; Deuteronomy 21:10-14; Judges 5:30; Exodus 21:7-11; Zechariah 14:1-2)

Originally Posted by Harriet

You all bang on about how women are 'over-emotional' and 'scatter-brained' and yet you do not seem to accept these traits that are God-given,

Yes, God has made us women emotional and quite scatter-brained. That's why He made us help-meets for our husbands, not the other way around (Genesis 2:18). Can you imagine how silly it would be for a woman to be in charge?

Originally Posted by Harriet

Your wife is not your child, nor should she be treated like one.

A wife is a wife and should be treated like one, but if she has the audacity to revert to childish ways, her husband is doing no favors not to correct her as such.

Originally Posted by Harriet

Yes, it does say about rod for fools, but I refuse to accept that this applies to your wife. Having an opinion is in a human's ontology! Why should you hit her and think that it was okay with her when she didn't give you permission to do so?

Here you contradict yourself again. Either the LORD has organized the home to run from God to Christ to husband to wife, or He has not. (Ephesians 5:22-24)

Originally Posted by Harriet

You say that God made you do it. (He might well have done, and it's not up to me to say nor to doubt or believe)

Then why spend so much effort arguing?

Originally Posted by Harriet

Even if He did, I'm pretty sure He would want you to at least understand or try to sympathize with a fellow human being's emotions.

You think Mr. McManus ignored God's message to him? Based on what? Your personal opinion which is all over the place? We base God's message on the Holy Bible and the concept of maintaining authority is perfectly obvious throughout the Bible.

Originally Posted by Harriet

I refuse to believe that God would teach you to suddenly demand that your wife drop all that she's worked for, then on the spur of the moment, slap her and then get angry when she's not sure about the relationship.

Considering how little you know what the Bible actually says, this comes as no surprise.

Originally Posted by Harriet

Just for a moment, place yourself in a woman's shoes. I'm a Christian, and I know I have to learn some humility, and I understand about the submission thing. But would women really want a man to treat them the way you treated your wife? Without even an explanation.

I would never ask Mr. Etheldreda to justify himself to me. Either I submit to his authority or he submits to mine. Only one option is Biblical.

Originally Posted by Harriet

What is respectful about the way you've kept her in the dark with no explanation or discussion.

He's cared for her physical and spiritual needs! What could be more respectful than that?

Originally Posted by Harriet

At least have a discussion. While you may believe that the husband gets the final say, at least you will have tried to help her understand what you think you've been told by God.

So she only submits as long as her husband convinces her to submit???

[Harriet]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Can you please share the scripture you find referring to the wife agreeing with the husband before submitting herself to him?

No, but seeing as the bible was written by men over a thousand years ago, times have changed and so have men and women.

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

You seem to be contradicting yourself here, dear. Either you understand the LORD expects a wife to be submissive, or you understand wife should be submissive when she wants (which isn't being submissive, is it?). Which is it?

I understand both. God wants a wife to be submissive, but understands why she might not want to be or why she might find it hard to accept because He understands everything.

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

How do you come to this conclusion? There are a great many people God has never forgiven, people who died in His disfavor. In fact, we know the number of people God forgives is small, small is the gate that leads to Life after all. (Matthew 7:14)

Because of Jesus and also because it says all over the Bible about the importance of forgiving?

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

In all the passages we read about the LORD formalizing the sale and trade of women, where do you read He is concerned about them having time to ride out their emotions? (Judges 21:10-24; Numbers 31:7-18; Deuteronomy 20:10-14; Deuteronomy 22:28-29; Deuteronomy 21:10-14; Judges 5:30; Exodus 21:7-11; Zechariah 14:1-2)

So, are you saying that you think that God doesn't care about women nor understand their ontology?

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Yes, God has made us women emotional and quite scatter-brained. That's why He made us help-meets for our husbands, not the other way around (Genesis 2:18). Can you imagine how silly it would be for a woman to be in charge?

Why would it be silly? I understand that it might be against your religious beliefs, but I know many women who are organised, good leaders and can do just as much as men can do. Whether she should or not is another question. I know lots of women who aren't scatter-brained. And I'm also saying that if God made our human nature (our ontology) and our human nature is to be over-emotional, selfish, scatter-brained etc etc, why would God not understand or accept the fact that some people would find it extremely difficult to completely accept that they have to be a man's slave jut because of the genitalia they were born with. Of course he would understand. God made our human nature contain bad things, and he also gave us free-will. Please, please do not tell me that some men are not scatter-brained or over-emotional, because they are. I know some really hard-nosed women too, and giving a whole gender the 'scatter-brained' characteristic is ridiculous. The reason I used the stereotype examples in my original post was because I was making an example, not because I was agreeing with them.

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

A wife is a wife and should be treated like one, but if she has the audacity to revert to childish ways, her husband is doing no favors not to correct her as such.

So you think that acting on our human nature is childish? Why should it be seeing as God made our human nature? We can't be perfect, so why should somebody be physically or otherwise punished for not being so when that is the way God made us to be?

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Here you contradict yourself again. Either the LORD has organized the home to run from God to Christ to husband to wife, or He has not. (Ephesians 5:22-24)

He has, because he said so in the Bible, I get that. But I'm talking about the natural human nature and also the difficulties of interpretation. I don't interpret the Bible how you do, obviously, which is fine of course, but everybody has the right to interpret it how they want, and I think that because God is omniscient, He knows exactly how we're feeling, and will forgive this and understand what we're feeling because He made us and loves us without limit.

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Then why spend so much effort arguing?

Because I wanted to know why he would expect his wife to want to comeback after he hit her and asked so much of her. Whether it's her duty or not, I don't understand why he would still not understand and empathize with her surprise and shock at the way she was treated.

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

You think Mr. McManus ignored God's message to him? Based on what? Your personal opinion which is all over the place? We base God's message on the Holy Bible and the concept of maintaining authority is perfectly obvious throughout the Bible.

No, did I say that? No. I was trying to say that surely, he should try to use empathy and try and understand what she is feeling seeing as it's our god-given human nature to rebel/feel for ourselves?

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Considering how little you know what the Bible actually says, this comes as no surprise.

Yes, I don't know the Bible inside out, but actually, I think that's a little bit rude seeing as I go to church and learn what I believe from there. I don't know exact quotes and all the little details, but I know the outline of what I think we are supposed to do, so don't tell me how much I know, because you really have no idea. I go to Christian festivals and services during the summer, and they teach modern-day Christianity, which I think is more appropriate seeing as it's illegal to beat your wife in most places in the world...

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

I would never ask Mr. Etheldreda to justify himself to me. Either I submit to his authority or he submits to mine. Only one option is Biblical.

Why? Why wouldn't you expect him to explain himself. This is ridiculous! Does nobody take human nature into account at all?! Nobody can live in the dark. There is a whole lot of truth in Plato's Cave analogy. Not everybody wants to live in the dark. Why would you go along blindly with what somebody said, especially if the price you would pay would be so great for you? Women are not LOWER CITIZENS! The genders are EQUAL. Different, yes, of course! Completely different. But equal.

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

He's cared for her physical and spiritual needs! What could be more respectful than that?

How has he cared for her physical and spiritual needs? Who NEEDS a slap in the face when he HASN'T EVEN EXPLAINED ANYTHING AT ALL?! If he explained himself and what he thinks God wants out of their family, then it might be different. Honestly, it's so RIDICULOUS to expect a woman to know everything about what she should be and how she should act when he hasn't even explained God's message to her? How will she know how to act when he hasn't even explained anything to her?! And PLEASE do not say 'from the Bible' because at no point in the Bible does it ever say to slap/beat your wife if she questions your sudden extreme change of lifestyle with incredulity.

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

So she only submits as long as her husband convinces her to submit???

No, not convinces. Not at all what I meant. She should only submit as long as her husband loves her and treats her with respect, meaning as long as he: doesn't abuse her, doesn't keep her in the dark and actually talks to her - she's not an animal, she can think intelligently, you know - and as long as she knows clearly what is expected of her to do for him and what the husband will do for her. Because understanding and respect is key in a marriage otherwise it will go to crap

[Matthew Hopkins]

Originally Posted by Harriet

You all bang on about how women are 'over-emotional' and 'scatter-brained'

Well your yackity yak-yack post sort of proves we are right. Submit to your husband, Sister Harriet, he knows what's best for you.

YBIC

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Harriet

No, but seeing as the bible was written by men over a thousand years ago, times have changed and so have men and women.

But God Himself has not changed (Hebrews 13:8). If a wife is created to be a help meet, it doesn't matter what century in which she is born. Times have changed for the worse, people are rejecting God in record numbers. Too many pots are whining about how the potter has made them (Romans 9:21) Your encouragement for modern women to do the same is part of the problem, dear, not the solution.

Originally Posted by Harriet

I understand both. God wants a wife to be submissive, but understands why she might not want to be or why she might find it hard to accept because He understands everything.

Understanding why doesn't remove her responsibility. That's part of what it means to be submissive to a husband - to obey without reservation - otherwise it's not submissiveness, but equal decision making. The LORD does not advocate that.

Originally Posted by Harriet

Because of Jesus and also because it says all over the Bible about the importance of forgiving?

I suspect you focus only on certain passages and messages in the Holy Bible. Your knowledge then is incomplete, and dangerously so. Please take advantage of our excellent Bible Study forum to learn what the Bible really has to say.

You might start with the following sermons:

Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"
The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)
Things that the Bible doesn't say
Bible Answers: Who are our neighbors? Who are our brothers and sisters? Who are we to love?
Tolerance
Favorite Bible Verses
And our Bible in a Year series.

Originally Posted by Harriet

So, are you saying that you think that God doesn't care about women nor understand their ontology?

Have you read these passages I linked? Knowing women desire to feel safe, secure, valued, loved, the LORD provides nothing for these fragile emotions. What do you think that means? Why do you think the LORD would take care to have certain information be recorded in His Holy Scriptures, information like under what circumstances a daughter can be sold as a slave/wife, or virgins can be taken by the army as the spoils of war, but nothing about treating a woman with respect? Do you think the LORD forgot? Didn't notice? What do you think is going on here?

Originally Posted by Harriet

Why would it be silly? I understand that it might be against your religious beliefs, but I know many women who are organised, good leaders and can do just as much as men can do. Whether she should or not is another question. I know lots of women who aren't scatter-brained. And I'm also saying that if God made our human nature (our ontology) and our human nature is to be over-emotional, selfish, scatter-brained etc etc, why would God not understand or accept the fact that some people would find it extremely difficult to completely accept that they have to be a man's slave jut because of the genitalia they were born with. Of course he would understand. God made our human nature contain bad things, and he also gave us free-will. Please, please do not tell me that some men are not scatter-brained or over-emotional, because they are. I know some really hard-nosed women too, and giving a whole gender the 'scatter-brained' characteristic is ridiculous. The reason I used the stereotype examples in my original post was because I was making an example, not because I was agreeing with them.

That some women are naturally organized doesn't mean they aren't women, created to be help-meets. Do you think the lovely Ann Romney's organizational skills are wasted? Why, she raised a lovely family, got her children ready to go to private school every morning, kept her staff in line, and even found the time to raise an Olympian dancing horse. Can you imagine if she had put all that energy and organization to work outside the home? Where would her children be today? It makes me shudder to think. Do you really think the talented and elegant Ann Coulter would continue working in the public sphere should the LORD answer her prayers today and provide a husband to complete her? I personally cannot conceive of such a thing.

Originally Posted by Harriet

So you think that acting on our human nature is childish? Why should it be seeing as God made our human nature? We can't be perfect, so why should somebody be physically or otherwise punished for not being so when that is the way God made us to be?

An adult acting on childish human nature is childish. If that adult acting childish is a wife, her husband has a responsibility to God to discipline her accordingly (Colossians 3:23).

Originally Posted by Harriet

He has, because he said so in the Bible, I get that. But I'm talking about the natural human nature and also the difficulties of interpretation. I don't interpret the Bible how you do, obviously, which is fine of course, but everybody has the right to interpret it how they want, and I think that because God is omniscient, He knows exactly how we're feeling, and will forgive this and understand what we're feeling because He made us and loves us without limit.

Human nature is sinful. That's why the LORD begat His Son for us. Embracing that sinful nature won't do you any favors. It may make you feel better in the short run, but in the long run you will have done yourself no favors. If you don't actually believe in, trust, and obey the LORD Jesus Christ, you will suffer all eternity in the Lake of Fire (John 3:18). You can interpret the Holy Bible any way you want. With over 40,000 Christian denominations, if you can't find one you agree with, you can start your own. But know this - God won't care.

Either your name will be written in the Book of Life, or it will not (Revelation 20:15)

It's really that simple.

Originally Posted by Harriet

Because I wanted to know why he would expect his wife to want to comeback after he hit her and asked so much of her. Whether it's her duty or not, I don't understand why he would still not understand and empathize with her surprise and shock at the way she was treated.

She was treated with Biblical respect (1 Peter 3:7), so why would she storm off?

Originally Posted by Harriet

No, did I say that? No. I was trying to say that surely, he should try to use empathy and try and understand what she is feeling seeing as it's our god-given human nature to rebel/feel for ourselves?

You implied it with the phrase, "Even if He did" [referring to the question of whether or not God relayed a particular message to the OP]. Empathy is nice and can be helpful, but not at all times. Do you empathize with a child running out into the street full of traffic? No - you stop him regardless of what he wants in that moment. Why? Because his safety is in jeopardy.

Originally Posted by Harriet

Yes, I don't know the Bible inside out, but actually, I think that's a little bit rude seeing as I go to church and learn what I believe from there. I don't know exact quotes and all the little details, but I know the outline of what I think we are supposed to do, so don't tell me how much I know, because you really have no idea. I go to Christian festivals and services during the summer, and they teach modern-day Christianity, which I think is more appropriate seeing as it's illegal to beat your wife in most places in the world...

Then what you are learning is not the faith of Christ, but the faith of a false Christian. It will not gain you Salvation. You're wasting precious time there, and you're not worshiping the real God of the Bible.

Originally Posted by Harriet

Why? Why wouldn't you expect him to explain himself. This is ridiculous! Does nobody take human nature into account at all?! Nobody can live in the dark. There is a whole lot of truth in Plato's Cave analogy. Not everybody wants to live in the dark. Why would you go along blindly with what somebody said, especially if the price you would pay would be so great for you? Women are not LOWER CITIZENS! The genders are EQUAL. Different, yes, of course! Completely different. But equal.

You ask why I would want to "go along blindly." I would reply that as a True Christian™, I live by faith, not by sight (2 Corinthians 5:7) The LORD has guaranteed my Salvation because I have perfect faith in Him, not because I think I know better than Him. The LORD tells me as a wife to submit, and so I do. The LORD told Joshua to march around the walls of Jericho (Joshua 6:1-27), and so he did. There was no complaining, no whining, no waiting until Joshua decided for himself it wasn't such a bad idea after all. My word, if God can lead an army to march around a town for seven days without explaining away how utterly ridiculous that is, how completely vulnerable that put him and his men, what a stupid waste of time that must have been, then I can certainly do as asked in this day and age. At least my husband doesn't ask me to march around the town and blow trumpets like a retard.

Originally Posted by Harriet

How has he cared for her physical and spiritual needs? Who NEEDS a slap in the face when he HASN'T EVEN EXPLAINED ANYTHING AT ALL?! If he explained himself and what he thinks God wants out of their family, then it might be different. Honestly, it's so RIDICULOUS to expect a woman to know everything about what she should be and how she should act when he hasn't even explained God's message to her? How will she know how to act when he hasn't even explained anything to her?! And PLEASE do not say 'from the Bible' because at no point in the Bible does it ever say to slap/beat your wife if she questions your sudden extreme change of lifestyle with incredulity.

The Bible says

Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Hebrews 12:11

Discipline isn't "fun," but it does yield "peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby." Righteousness is more important than feeling heard.

Originally Posted by Harriet

No, not convinces. Not at all what I meant. She should only submit as long as her husband loves her and treats her with respect, meaning as long as he: doesn't abuse her, doesn't keep her in the dark and actually talks to her - she's not an animal, she can think intelligently, you know - and as long as she knows clearly what is expected of her to do for him and what the husband will do for her. Because understanding and respect is key in a marriage otherwise it will go to crap

Where does the Holy Bible suggest the key in marriage is understanding and respect? Why do you think Christ left that out when He talked about marriage being like that of the church?

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Ephesians 5:22-24

Just as Christ does not ask the church for her opinion, the husband need not ask the wife for her opinion. Christ knows what's best for his bride, the church. Because a True Christian™ woman knows she can trust Christ, she can trust Him to work through her husband. She is, essentially, submitting herself to Christ vicariously through her husband. You suggest she correct Christ by correcting her husband.

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Ephesians 5:25-30

The husband has a responsibility unto God to present a wife without spot, or wrinkle or any such thing. She ought to be holy and without blemish. The only way she can do this is to be obedient unto Christ through her husband.

In this way the husband nourishes and cherishes his wife. Only a woman who doesn't actually trust Christ to do what He promises would not trust her husband.

I trust Christ.

[vaporsniffer]

over-emotional' and 'scatter-brained' - funny, how men, feel that we are such beings, and yet do they even think for a minute that wow, if not for us, they would not even exist ,) I mean, it was Adam, but do not forget about Eve guys! and maybe this guy should have hit my face, instead of hitting his wife ,)



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Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Ephesians 5:25-30

I totally agree with you Harriet!

You Rock Girl!

[Matthew Hopkins]

Originally Posted by vaporizer

over-emotional' and 'scatter-brained' - funny, how men, feel that we are such beings, and yet do they even think for a minute that wow, if not for us, they would not even exist ,) I mean, it was Adam, but do not forget about Eve guys! and maybe this guy should have hit his vaporizer, instead of hitting his wife ,)



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Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Ephesians 5:25-30

I totally agree with you Harriet!

You Rock Girl!

Well, after your over-emotional and scatter-brained post, I can only suggest that your husband takes a firmer line over discipline. Does he know you are using his computer?

YBIC

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by vaporsniffer

over-emotional' and 'scatter-brained' - funny, how men, feel that we are such beings, and yet do they even think for a minute that wow, if not for us, they would not even exist ,) I mean, it was Adam, but do not forget about Eve guys! and maybe this guy should have hit his vaporizer, instead of hitting his wife ,)



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Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Ephesians 5:25-30

I totally agree with you Harriet!

You Rock Girl!

Just wait a second, there mate!

Being in a gay relationship hardly gives you the 911 about what women feel

This is a family website and so called civil partnerships are not recognised in these parts.

YIC