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Default Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes! - 02-02-2008, 03:35 AM

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But your explanation doesn't make sense. It is more logical to presume that the universe has always existed rather than some magic, supernatural force outside space and time suddenly decided to create it.
That's like saying it's more logical to presume that I always existed rather than my parents suddenly decided to create me. Anyway, the current consensus among the scientists is that the universe suddenly popped into existence in a Big Bang. We Christians agree.

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This is a picture of photons being emitted in a coherent beam from a laser.
I don't dispute that light exists. What I dispute is that light consists of photons. If light is made of particles, then why can a prism bend it as if light were a wave? If you have a picture of a single photon, I'd love to see it, but a picture of a light illuminating some smoke proves nothing about the composition of light.

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The laws of thermodynamics suggest that there is in fact no point of creation and that the universe has always existed. Before you try and say that this idea is stupid, do not forget that you believe God has always existed.
Again, both the religious and the scientists agree that the universe has not always existed. Only you seem to believe that it's always been here.

You are no doubt referring to the First Law of Thermodynamics, which states that no energy can be created or destroyed. That was determined by experiments that all took place within the last 150 years, so they have no validity whatsoever to the moment of creation.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that disorder (entropy) always increases. If that law is true, and the universe has an infinite age, then at some point in time (call it T) there must have been no entropy whatsoever. But that means that there must have been no increase in entropy from any earlier time to time T, so the Second Law could not be correct! If anything, termodynamics proves that the universe was created. You might want to read up on the subject before you go around making a fool of yourself talking about it.

As for God, since He is omnipotent, laws of thermodynamics do not apply to Him. In fact, those laws were also His creations.

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When I hook a lightbulb up to an electrical circuit and switch the circuit on, provided there are no faults in the circuit and there is an adequate power source connected, the light bulb will light up. That is not God creating light, that is the light bulb creating light.
God does not create light every time you flip a switch. God created light in Genesis 1:3. Your lightbulb merely liberates the light that He already created, which was hiding in the lightbulb all along. It's like a wayward heifer--you poke it with a cattle prod, and the electrical shock will cause it to move. That's also why lightbulbs burn out--there is a limited supply hiding in the bulb, and once that's depleted, no more light. A light bulb no more creates light than a cattle prod creates cattle.

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If I build a brick house with no windows and go inside, it will be dark. When I open the door, and it is light outside, light will come in.
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It is more logical just to accept that the sun casts light. The sun is made of gas going through continous reactions.
That's not more logical at all. The fact that light shines into your house when you opent the door has nothing whatsoever to do with how that light was created. Just like a lightbulb, the Sun releases light that God placed inside it. See Genesis 1:14-16:

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day...

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We can observe gas going through a reaction and producing light by looking at fire. Can we look at God producing light? Can we go up to heaven and find god playing with his giant flashlight? Of course not.
Where in Genesis does it say God has a giant flashlight? That is the logical fallacy of the straw man--you put words in our mouths that we never uttered, then shoot them down. God created the light in the beginning, and he created the processes in the Sun and in wood that release that light for our use. He doesn't wait for you to open your door to create the light.

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Where exactly is the edge of the world? Has anyone ever seen it? Do you know anyone who has fallen over the edge?
What do you think explains all of the Bermuda Triangle disappearances? I'm sure it's been seen, but if you get close enough to see it, you'll get sucked over the edge by the falling water and atmosphere. So nobody who has seen it has lived to tell the tale.

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I have seen it. In a Disney film.
Ridicule is another logical fallacy; you can't win an argument with ridicule around here.

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How can we prove the Earth is round? Simple logic, maths and of course going into space and actually looking at it. When Mars comes enough close to Earth, we are able to see it with the naked eye and it is round.
We are able to see Mars with the naked eye at all times except when it is behind the Earth, the Moon, or the Sun, not just when it is "close enough." The astronomers all say that, too. Only you seem not to believe that.

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Mars is a planet, just as Earth is.
You have no proof of that (in fact, Mars is a star, as clearly described in Genesis). Anyway, again you raise a non-sequitur. Whether Mars is round or not has nothing to do with whether Earth is round. Mars has no liquid water on its surface. Does that mean that there are no oceans on the Earth?

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When you look through a telescope, you can see the other planets, which are also round.
This is very simple: most celestial objects are round, that doesn't mean that the Earth is round. You can claim optical illusions all you want, but we can observe with our own eyes that light simply does not bend enough to create an illusion of that magnitude.[/quote]Of course you can't--what you see with your own eyes has been bent, so it isn't the true shape. That's why it's an optical illusion. We had to wait for Einstein before we understood the true nature of light. If you want to prove that light can't bend that much, then please show us the relativistic differential equations to prove it.

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The fact that the moon is sometimes visible duing the day is yet more evidence of an imperfect design. If God set the moon to rule over the night, why would he allow light to bend so that the moon could be seen during the day?
If God had fixed the position of the Moon relative to the Sun, then there would be no phases of the Moon, so there would be no calendars, so how would the ancient men have known when to plant their crops?

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It was an analogy. You know what an analogy is right? If not, look it up.
You seem to use an awful lot of non-sensical analogies in your arguments. Don't you have any direct evidence to substantiate your claims?

So, Sacha, how's that list of papers on global warming coming along? I'm looking forward to our informed, scientific debate.



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