[Lycia The Repentant]

Well, ok, I admit that this thread's title was a bit misleading. Instead of dissecting an actual atheist (which would indeed be very valuable for Creation Science), I thought it would be fun to dissect some of the most common atheist rantings and prove exactly how they are wrong. Let's start with a very old, very famous argument that atheists and Godmockers have been using for years.

The Paradox of the Stone

What is the Paradox of the Stone?

Simply put, the Paradox of the Stone is the question "Can God create a stone so heavy that He cannot lift it?". The logical "proof" is as follows:

(1) God either can or cannot create a stone that is so heavy that he cannot lift it.
(2) If God can create a stone that is so heavy that he cannot lift it, then God is not omnipotent.
(3) If God cannot create a stone that is so heavy that he cannot lift it, then God is not omnipotent.
Therefore:
(4) God is not omnipotent.
(5) If God exists then he is omnipotent.
Therefore:
(6) God does not exist.

At first glance, this argument seems quite compelling indeed! How can a being exist if it is omnipotent but cannot do everything? It is right at about this point that the raving atheists think they have won, but lets take another look at this.

What is the definition of omnipotence?

Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster

Definition of OMNIPOTENCE

1: the quality or state of being omnipotent
2: an agency or force of unlimited power

Definition of OMNIPOTENT

1 often capitalized : almighty 1
2: having virtually unlimited authority or influence <an omnipotent ruler>

Ok, so from these definitions we can conclude that an omnipotent being has unlimited power. Now we need to make sure that God is an omnipotent being.

Is God omnipotent?

"And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Revelation 19:6

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26

Of course, there are also many other verses in the Bible that show that God is omnipotent, so I think its safe to conclude that he is.

So how can we address the paradox?

Well, if we look at the definition of omnipotence, we see that there really isn't any paradox at all! If God is an omnipotent being, and if being omnipotent means He has unlimited power, it stands to reason that it is within his (unlimited) power to do things that are logical impossibilities. This means God can create square circles, make 2+2=5, and create stones that are too heavy for Him to lift and then proceed to lift them!

So atheists, before you post your tired, old, and ridiculous arguments here, remember:

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." Proverbs 3:5

[James R Miller]

Matthew 12:26 says with God all things are possible, but God can't lift the stone. You kind of defeated your own argument there.

[Butch Dickerson]

You sure you don't want to stick with the original proposition?

The actual 'dissection' of an atheist would be a simple matter of acquisition.
(I know a college coffeehouse that caters to them).
I have the tools, apparatus, and a large assortment of glass jugs we could display their entrails in.
I am motivated, and would personally love to see what makes them "tick".

Could make a good 'creation science' project for the Landover Youth Choir ! If more than one atheist is required ,we could have a roundup; herd them into a bookstore with the recorded voice of Stephen Hawking ... lights off ... shove em' down the basement steps .... wam bam take your pick of the flock ...

[barton]

Originally Posted by Lycia The Repentant

... the Paradox of the Stone is the question "Can God create a stone so heavy that He cannot lift it?".

I like your solution! There are other possibilities, too...

There are some logistics problems that have to be worked out first... how big does a stone have to be, that God can't lift it? How big a stone could God make? Bigger than the universe? Got exists without the universe... so what does it mean to make a stone bigger than or outside the universe? To lift something means to move it from here to there. What spatial dimensions exist extra-universal? IOW, the paradox is a ridiculous construct when applied to our infinite God.

Moreover, a fundamental problem plagues all dilemmas. There are always more than just the two potential choices or outcomes. In this case, we're supposed to believe God can either lift the stone or He can't. Why just these two choices? God is perfect in His infinite wisdom and power. One third choice would be to just drop the stone on the atheist's head, sending the God-mocker straight to Hell.

I think the most important thing to know about atheists is that they all, deep down, know that God exists. Everything they do is designed to intellectualize this knowledge away. Thus the litany of logical proofs and misquoted Scriptures they are so fond of. Most of it, by the way, is to keep themselves in line. Atheists that fail to chant their "no god no god no god" mantra often enough are known to suffer severe psychological trauma as the realization that they've damned themselves occurs.

[Lisa H]

Originally Posted by James R Miller

Matthew 12:26 says with God all things are possible, but God can't lift the stone. You kind of defeated your own argument there.

Wrong James!

Lets look at where you went wrong;

Matthew 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

You have not even read the Bible. So get your facts right!

[Lycia The Repentant]

Originally Posted by James R Miller

Matthew 12:26 says with God all things are possible, but God can't lift the stone. You kind of defeated your own argument there.

Ms. Lisa already pointed out how your scripture was wrong, but I have a question for you. Did you even read my post?

Originally Posted by Butch Dickerson

You sure you don't want to stick with the original proposition?

Mr. Dickerson, believe me, I think that dissecting an actual atheist would be great for the cause of Creation Science. We could find out exactly where the demons reside in them that create their crazy "Godless delusion". I hope one of the great True Creationists™ will do so soon. I would have, except secular law forbids it in my area, and I'm a woman, so I'd mess it up anyways.

Originally Posted by barton

I like your solution! There are other possibilities, too...

Thank you Mr. Barton, and may I say your logic is truly of "Biblical" proportions.

The biggest problem with atheists, in my opinion, is that rather then trusting in an infallible God they trust their fallible logic. For example:

1. If the moon is purple, then it is made of blackberries
2. The moon is purple
Therefore, the moon is made of blackberries.

This is a true logical syllogism, but that doesn't mean its not totally ridiculous!

Still, since they hate God so much they refuse to listen to infallible, divine scripture, I thought showing them where their logic fails them might get through to them.

Originally Posted by Lisa H

So get your facts right!

I don't know if we will ever see an atheist get their facts right Ms. Lisa.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

The problem here is that God created the Heavens and the earth. The heavens are a pretty big place - probably the biggest there is. If he were to create a stone of the size required, it would have to be bigger than the universe, which He can juggle without difficulty.

This would then have a bad effect of the earth and God is well-konwn for His Mercy, Compassion and Wisdom and, I trust, wouldn't do such a thing.

The question is therefore meaningless.

[LambofChrist]

*snaps on rubber gloves and proceeds to make first incision*
I found his soul! ....it's all shrivled and black-I feel that it's not supposed to look like that.

Wait...oh! You didn't mean an actual dissection, did you? *goes up and reads the post*

Oh this is excellent! I've been puzzling over this for ages

[Justin Z]

Atheists don't have souls. I am sure they all bartered it to Satan or something. :/

[LambofChrist]

...then what on earth was it that I found? 0_0

[Levi Jones]

Originally Posted by LambofChrist

...then what on earth was it that I found? 0_0

To whom are you speaking, friend? You aren't making a lot of sense at all.

[Justin Z]

Probably his heart, Being without God tends to makes your heart shrivel and turn black.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Originally Posted by LambofChrist

Oh this is excellent! I've been puzzling over this for ages

Thank you Ms. Lamb. Atheists think that all Christians are stupid rednecks just because we know that no amount of evidence they gather with their secular science and logic will ever be equal to the Word of God.

Actually I've been thinking of adding to this thread for a little while. So here is another one of my dissections of atheistic arguments. I would also love to hear other people's takes on the arguments that atheists commonly use.

Faith: It's just Wishful Thinking

Now, I know we've all heard this one before. Atheists like to think of Christianity in hateful terms like "imaginary friend" and imply that faith in the Lord is nothing but an emotional crutch. Of course, any True Christian™ knows that this is not the case! However, for all the Godmockers that like to visit here, I'll point out two ways in which the term "emotional crutch" should never be applied to Christianity.

Christianity isn't exactly the most comforting belief-system there is

This is, of course, the big one. Christianity is a lot of things, but one thing it certainly isn't is a fluffy bunny belief system that teaches you that everything is A-OK. In fact, the Bible consistently teaches us to fear God.

"Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD." Leviticus 19:14

"Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:for I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 25:17

"Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD." Joshua 24:14

"And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding." Job 28:28

"Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences." 2 Corinthians 5:11

"Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest." Revelation 15:4

This is, of course, only a small sample of the verses in the Bible that deal with fearing the Lord, but I think the point is clear (and I don't think I need to point out all the times God has cursed people, damned them eternally, etc.). If you really want a religion that's all rainbows, sunshine, and kissing boo-boos then you probably aren't interested in Christianity.

Atheism is more of an emotional crutch than Christianity

Being a Christian means you have to deal with some very real consequences. If you believe in God, you have to make the conscious decision to follow his Word or to rebel against him. Following the Lord isn't always easy, and you need to give up all sorts of sinful pleasures. Knowingly setting yourself up against God means accepting the fact that you are setting yourself up for an eternity of torment. Atheists, however, try to take the easy way out by denying God's existence. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Of course, we know it won't work out for them in the end, but doesn't denying God exists so you can carry out your sins without worrying about being damned sound more like an emotional crutch than Christianity does?

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelation 21:8

What does these points mean when taken together?

Simply put, it means that anybody who tries to argue that Christianity is a crutch for the weak is using a crutch themselves!

Being a Christian means you will give up your sinful vices, be persecuted for your beliefs and be forced to live in a world that caters to every viewpoint but ours. How somebody can see that as being a crutch is totally beyond me.

[RomanK]

Christianity is a crutch for ones own accountabilty. And faith is just a self reflection of ones own vanity. As for a soul, looking upon the face of the earth it is obvious we traded our soul for possessions.

[SheepOfGod]

Originally Posted by RomanK

Christianity is a crutch for ones own accountabilty. And faith is just a self reflection of ones own vanity. As for a soul, looking upon the face of the earth it is obvious we traded our soul for possessions.

Will you still stand by that statement when you are rotting in hell; I think not.
Athiesm is a poison to society and anyone brainwashed enough to follow it is the scum of the earth.

[hell is people]

I have a question that needs to be answered....

Is there anything else besides the bible that talks about god? I know there are several different bibles out there but are there any other books to be read?

[hell is people]

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that's a bit harsh don't you think....

I mean did god say you can judge me and call me such things ???

What if I am saved and you assume such things... would that really make me want to be apart of this site?

that truly saddens me

[Phebe Carlyle]

Originally Posted by Lycia The Repentant

Well, ok, I admit that this thread's title was a bit misleading. Instead of dissecting an actual atheist (which would indeed be very valuable for Creation Science), I thought it would be fun to dissect some of the most common atheist rantings and prove exactly how they are wrong. Let's start with a very old, very famous argument that atheists and Godmockers have been using for years.

The Paradox of the Stone

What is the Paradox of the Stone?

Simply put, the Paradox of the Stone is the question "Can God create a stone so heavy that He cannot lift it?". The logical "proof" is as follows:

(1) God either can or cannot create a stone that is so heavy that he cannot lift it.
(2) If God can create a stone that is so heavy that he cannot lift it, then God is not omnipotent.
(3) If God cannot create a stone that is so heavy that he cannot lift it, then God is not omnipotent.
Therefore:
(4) God is not omnipotent.
(5) If God exists then he is omnipotent.
Therefore:
(6) God does not exist.

At first glance, this argument seems quite compelling indeed! How can a being exist if it is omnipotent but cannot do everything? It is right at about this point that the raving atheists think they have won, but lets take another look at this.

What is the definition of omnipotence?



Ok, so from these definitions we can conclude that an omnipotent being has unlimited power. Now we need to make sure that God is an omnipotent being.

Is God omnipotent?

"And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Revelation 19:6

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26

Of course, there are also many other verses in the Bible that show that God is omnipotent, so I think its safe to conclude that he is.

So how can we address the paradox?

Well, if we look at the definition of omnipotence, we see that there really isn't any paradox at all! If God is an omnipotent being, and if being omnipotent means He has unlimited power, it stands to reason that it is within his (unlimited) power to do things that are logical impossibilities. This means God can create square circles, make 2+2=5, and create stones that are too heavy for Him to lift and then proceed to lift them!

So atheists, before you post your tired, old, and ridiculous arguments here, remember:

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." Proverbs 3:5

Sister Lycia,

An excellent thwarting of such a maniacal and desperate atheist arguement! It's obvious that Jesus guided you in your wonderful explanation.

When are these atheists going to realize that God is beyond their understanding? Sure, they can come up with as many convoluted " what ifs" as they want to to try to disprove, not only his might but He HIMSELF.. but they will never ever succeed.

What worries me is they have the audacity to question God in the first place. Bad move! God keeps score and they will see the tally of their disobedience and disrespect come Judgement Day!


2 Thessalonians 1:6-10

6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.



Gosh, let's see how they question Him THEN!

YIC

Phebe Carlyle.

[Jesus is Lord]

Originally Posted by hell is people

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that's a bit harsh don't you think....

I mean did god say you can judge me and call me such things ???

Yes, yes He did.

Leviticus 19:15
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

2nd Timothy 4:1-2
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in all the Bible

What if I am saved and you assume such things... would that really make me want to be apart of this site?

that truly saddens me

We know you are not Truly Saved™ as you are not a member of Landover Baptist and therefore not a True Christian™. LBC is the only church in the world that follows God's Word (the holy KJV1611 Bible) word for word, letter for letter thus only it's members are Truly Saved™. If you wish to become Truly Saved™ contact one of the wonderful Pastors and they will be glad to help you set up a tithing plan and get you on the road to Salvation™.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Originally Posted by hell is people

I have a question that needs to be answered....

Is there anything else besides the bible that talks about god? I know there are several different bibles out there but are there any other books to be read?

I suppose there are many books speaking of various gods, but there is only ONE to speak THE WORD of God HIMSELF and that IS the KJV1611!

For the record, any other bibles you may have seen are nothing short of per-versions of His word.

Why do you ask? Isn't God's preserved word ENOUGH FOR YOU?

Oh I also hope you have introduced yourself in the Introduction Forum. General common courtesy goes a long way here, missy, so if you have not done so as yet, I suggest you hop to it post haste.

YIC

Phebe Carlyle.