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Arrow The Scientific Method for Christians - 04-17-2010, 12:32 PM

Come up with a question about the world. All true scientific work begins with having a question to ask. Sometimes just coming up with the right question is the hardest part for a scientist. The question should be answerable by reading the Bible. (If it can't be answered by reading the Bible, obviously God thinks it's not important enough for you to bother thinking about.)

Create a hypothesis — one possible answer to the question. A hypothesis is a word meaning "An educated statement about how something works", and it should be able to be proven right or wrong. For example, a statement like "Blue is a better color than green" is not a true scientific hypothesis. It cannot be proven right or wrong. "God prefers the color blue to green" could be a true scientific hypothesis, though, because one could read the Bible and find out His preference.

Read the Bible. If the hypothesis is truly worthy of Christians, it should be possible to read the Bible to test it.
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A false, secular scientist would say that God prefers blue because there is more blue in the world than green - there's more sky and ocean than plants. However, studying reality can lead to deception because God sends deceptions into the world: (1 Kings 22:23, 2 Chronicles 18:22, Jeremiah 4:10, Jeremiah 20:7, Ezekiel 14:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:11) God does not put deceptions in the Bible. Therefore if reality and the Bible disagree, trust the Bible.
A Bible reading should be able to tell the scientist if the hypothesis is wrong; it may not tell him or her if the hypothesis is right. In the example above, an experiment might involve reading the Bible to find out what God's favorite colors are. Making a Bible reading can be very difficult though. What if the key question to ask God is not what colors He likes, but what colors He hates? (Abhors) Which books and chapters need to be read? Is there context that could change the result in ways that were not expected? (Maybe God hates blues music, for example)These are all the types of questions that true scientists have to ask, before they make a Bible reading. Usually true scientists want to test only one thing at a time. To do this, they try to make every part of an experiment the same for everything, except for the thing they want to test.

Read and collect the data. Here the true scientist tries to run the Bible reading they have designed before. Sometimes the true scientist gets new ideas as the reading is going on. Sometimes it is difficult to know when the reading is finally over. Sometimes reading will be very difficult. Some true scientists spend most of their lives learning how to do good Bible readings.

Draw conclusions from the Bible reading. Sometimes results are not easy to understand. Sometimes the Bible reading itself opens up new questions. Sometimes results from a reading can seem to mean many different things. All of these need to be thought about carefully. Always watch out for your own bias creeping in, remember that we are to trust God, not ourselves (Psalm 118:8, Jeremiah 17:5)

Communicate them to others. A key element of true science is sharing the results of Bible readings, so that other true scientists can then use the knowledge themselves and all of true science can benefit. Usually true scientists do not trust a new claim unless other true scientists have looked it over first and confirmed it with their own Bible reading. This is called peer review ("peer" here means "other true scientists").


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Default Re: The Scientific Method for Christians - 04-17-2010, 01:18 PM

Amen, Brother Jeb! Secular scientists scoff at Godly science, however Godly scientific experiments are designed to rule out bias; this is achieved via a combination of randomization and double blind methods, i.e., closing both eyes (becoming doubly blind) and allowing the Bible to fall open upon a random page.


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Default Re: The Scientific Method for Christians - 04-19-2010, 10:41 AM

Amen, Brother Jeb. The masses need to be educated about this, after all, Creation Science is for everyone!

You are right that it can be hard, at the University, I now give college in Basic Creation-Scientific Principles, where the Creation-Scientific Method is the very first thing we teach. Surprisingly many people get part of this method wrong.


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Default Re: The Scientific Method for Christians - 04-20-2010, 03:51 PM

so let me get this right. to create a chiristian friendly "scientific" study. i think of a question (e.g. does man weigh more than a whale? something easy to start with) and then read the bible and if i can interpret something as a possible answer to my question (e.g. man weighs less than a whale) then that is my hypothesis proven?
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so let me get this right. to create a chiristian friendly "scientific" study. i think of a question (e.g. does man weigh more than a whale? something easy to start with) and then read the bible and if i can interpret something as a possible answer to my question (e.g. man weighs less than a whale) then that is my hypothesis proven?
Not exactly. The point is that we shouldn't interpret the Bible, we should just accept what it says as True Facts™. On basis of these, we can then try to find an answer to the research question.


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so let me get this right. to create a chiristian friendly "scientific" study. i think of a question (e.g. does man weigh more than a whale? something easy to start with) and then read the bible and if i can interpret something as a possible answer to my question (e.g. man weighs less than a whale) then that is my hypothesis proven?
The problem with your hypothesis is that your question is so vague as to be unfalsifiable. For example, WHICH man weighs less that WHICH whale?

Whales vary in weight from doliphins to blue whales. Men vary in weight from 0.00 pounds (the weight of Jesus when He walked on water) to the Sons of Anak, who were probably larger than blue whales:

33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. - Numbers 13:33

If we agree that the average grasshopper weights approx 300mg (sorry to use metric but that's what my sources use) and an average third world citizen (as the ancient Israelites would have been) weighs 75.6 kg....I'll need someone who understands the metric system to do the calculations.


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For more on why the key part of the True Scientific Method is "read the Bible" rather than "experiment and observe" see: God HATES Rational Thinking!


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Default Re: The Scientific Method for Christians - 06-19-2010, 09:27 AM

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The problem with your hypothesis is that your question is so vague as to be unfalsifiable. For example, WHICH man weighs less that WHICH whale?

Whales vary in weight from doliphins to blue whales. Men vary in weight from 0.00 pounds (the weight of Jesus when He walked on water) to the Sons of Anak, who were probably larger than blue whales:

33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. - Numbers 13:33

If we agree that the average grasshopper weights approx 300mg (sorry to use metric but that's what my sources use) and an average third world citizen (as the ancient Israelites would have been) weighs 75.6 kg....I'll need someone who understands the metric system to do the calculations.
Gosh as a woman I am not really science minded, but I tend to go with good old fashioned logic as to the whale/man scenario. I mean, a man can live inside a whale as the Bible points out with Jonah. That is proof alone. But there are no stories of whales living inside of a man. Obviously for something to live inside of something else, it would have to weigh less.

It seems that secular science doesn't take logic into account at all.

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Default Re: The Scientific Method for Christians - 02-21-2022, 10:52 PM

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A simple statement, also grammatically correct, but it demonstrates that you should have posted this in its own thread in the Introduction sub-forum, not here in the Creation Science sub-forum.
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All of this other stuff here suggests that English is NOT your first language. Can't be helped, I suppose. You live in the UK.


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Grammar Nazi Re: The Scientific Method for Christians - 02-22-2022, 11:53 AM

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Hello Landover.
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I live in the UK, and was an SDA for 10 years.
I am here to show why the middle chapter of the 1189 chapters is also the shortest.
The goals of the purpose are 1 God exists, 2 Jesus also, 3 The not ok one does as well and 4 that God allows and dis allows the not ok one, as He is mostly, if not entirely a step ahead of the not ok ones.
Welcome, Mr. Cooch.
First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed
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Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Hello Landover.
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I live in the UK, and was an SDA for 10 years.
Welcome, Mr. Gooch. Seventh Day Advents, did you leave because they have bad math?


Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.
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Welcome, Mr. Gooch. Seventh Day Advents, did you leave because they have bad math?
I think their math is OK, but they lost track of a single day somewhere along the line, so now they celebrate the Sabbath one day early.

Sure, they have some lunatic doctrines, and they keep making bad predictions of when Christ will return, but I attribute that to the various Arian doctrines they adopted early on, including the worst of all, the vegetarian doctrine, which leaves them malnourished. But now that they accept the Trinity, Satan has less hold over their "church" than he used to.

All-in-all, I think it will be a pretty good horserace to see if they start worshipping God before the Rapture happens. Either way, it definitely won't happen on whatever day the Seventh Day Adventists say it will.


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Default Re: The Scientific Method for Christians - 03-04-2022, 02:12 PM

What is it exactly that's supposed to happen on the seventh day? Anyone know? Does it mean that Jesus began on the seventh day? Or are they supposed to go to Church? They actually do that on the sixth day I thought.
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Default Re: The Scientific Method for Christians - 03-04-2022, 02:30 PM

Oh .. .. .. are these the ones who say, “If Daniel saw a statue on day 43 then 300 days after that (a prophetic day being a year or something but they never justify that claim) then that's 300 years and a month and a half after an eclipse of the sun = Nero and the 400th year (a prophetic year is 3⅓ actual years) = 1,333 years 4 months after Nero but Enoch was translated directly to Heaven in a single day which is 1,000 years so that's 2,333 years and four months but those months are not complete years and need to be subtracted as 122 prophetic days giving 2,333 – 122 = 2,211 years after the Maccabean revolution which is 2044 AD ?

I think I've heard them on the car radio when driving along. Not even Jesus knows that!

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