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Bible The Gospels are Eye Witness Testimony - 07-25-2015, 04:14 PM

The Gospels are eye-witness testimony by the named authors, and that's why we can cite them as evidence. If the Gospels were written by anonymous authors writing down what they heard somebody say they heard from someone else, then they'd just be hearsay and wouldn't count as evidence.

These eyewitness accounts are extraordinary. Take the Gospel of Luke, for example. For this to be an eyewitness account, then Luke would have had to
  • witness the conversation between Mary and the angel telling her that she's going to become pregnant
  • follow Mary and Joseph around Bethlehem watching them go from inn to inn looking for a room
  • witness Mary giving birth to Jesus
  • sprint out to the pastures so he could witness the angels announcing the birth of Christ to the shepherds
  • sneak into Herod's palace on multiple occasions to witness private conversations between Herod and his advisers
  • follow the three eastern kings around and witness the conversation between them and the angel
  • follow Jesus and the disciples around so he could record everything they did
  • and beat everyone else to the tomb Sunday morning so he could record what happened there.

Furthermore, he would have had to do all of this without being noticed by anyone, so that when the apostles met Luke the Physician for the first time in Acts, he could play dumb and pretend that he didn't know about any of this. Why did he do that? I guess he just didn't want them to think he was a weirdo. "Um, yeah, I already know all about it. I've been sneaking around following all of you and writing down everything you did for the last 40 years."

Now, you may be asking, how could one man have been in all of those places at those times? The answer is obvious. God must have been telling him where he needed to be and to write down what he saw. Therefore, the unlikeliness of these eyewitness accounts is proof that the Bible is inspired by God.

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I admit that I sometimes become irate when some blasphemous disbeliever wants to see the proof that God exists or that Jesus came among us or any of those facts of which we are aware of. Can they not see that there is God provided WRITTEN PROOF? If written proof on a mileage log is good enough for the godless IRS, it should be good enough for anybody.


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Question Re: The Gospels are Eye Witness Testimony - 07-27-2015, 05:09 AM

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The Gospels are eye-witness testimony by the named authors, and that's why we can cite them as evidence. If the Gospels were written by anonymous authors writing down what they heard somebody say they heard from someone else, then they'd just be hearsay and wouldn't count as evidence.

These eyewitness accounts are extraordinary. Take the Gospel of Luke, for example. For this to be an eyewitness account, then Luke would have had to
  • witness the conversation between Mary and the angel telling her that she's going to become pregnant
  • follow Mary and Joseph around Bethlehem watching them go from inn to inn looking for a room
  • witness Mary giving birth to Jesus
  • sprint out to the pastures so he could witness the angels announcing the birth of Christ to the shepherds
  • sneak into Herod's palace on multiple occasions to witness private conversations between Herod and his advisers
  • follow the three eastern kings around and witness the conversation between them and the angel
  • follow Jesus and the disciples around so he could record everything they did
  • and beat everyone else to the tomb Sunday morning so he could record what happened there.

Furthermore, he would have had to do all of this without being noticed by anyone, so that when the apostles met Luke the Physician for the first time in Acts, he could play dumb and pretend that he didn't know about any of this. Why did he do that? I guess he just didn't want them to think he was a weirdo. "Um, yeah, I already know all about it. I've been sneaking around following all of you and writing down everything you did for the last 40 years."

Now, you may be asking, how could one man have been in all of those places at those times? The answer is obvious. God must have been telling him where he needed to be and to write down what he saw. Therefore, the unlikeliness of these eyewitness accounts is proof that the Bible is inspired by God.

Pastor Billy-Reuben
Pastor, correct me if I'm wrong, but God must have given Moses the supernatural ability to leap through temporal "wormholes"* in order to witness and document the account of Creation given in Genesis...?

*sounds like science, but Jesus knows what I mean.
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Default Re: The Gospels are Eye Witness Testimony - 07-27-2015, 05:18 AM

Exactly brother Pastor - the dedication of these men to put themselves in all those places to witness these things is amazing - a miracle really...


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Pastor, correct me if I'm wrong, but God must have given Moses the supernatural ability to leap through temporal "wormholes"* in order to witness and document the account of Creation given in Genesis...?

*sounds like science, but Jesus knows what I mean.
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Default Re: The Gospels are Eye Witness Testimony - 07-27-2015, 09:09 PM

Well, let's just take a little look at that.

Luke 1:2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word.

In other words, by Luke's own admission he is not an eyewitness. What he did was talk to eyewitnesses, making his gospel a secondary source rather than a primary source.

You also seem to make the mistake of thinking that a secondary source is less reliable than a primary source which is not necessarily true, for example a primary source may be propaganda which would mean a level of disgression would need to be applied when using it.
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Well, let's just take a little look at that.

Luke 1:2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word.

In other words, by Luke's own admission he is not an eyewitness. What he did was talk to eyewitnesses, making his gospel a secondary source rather than a primary source.

You also seem to make the mistake of thinking that a secondary source is less reliable than a primary source which is not necessarily true, for example a primary source may be propaganda which would mean a level of disgression would need to be applied when using it.

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Well, let's just take a little look at that.

You also seem to make the mistake of thinking that a secondary source is less reliable than a primary source which is not necessarily true, for example a primary source may be propaganda which would mean a level of disgression would need to be applied when using it.
I don't know why you twist the scriptures like that. Luke is also the author of Acts, I am sure you are aware of?

Acts 2:31-33
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.


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7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?


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Which is precisely how Santa operates. This cannot be a coincidence.
Good grief, are you comparing Moses to SANTA???



One is a documented historical figure who met the Creator of the UNIVERSE, and one is a fat guy in a felt suit who breaks into houses.



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Default Re: The Gospels are Eye Witness Testimony - 11-03-2015, 12:47 PM

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Good grief, are you comparing Moses to SANTA???



One is a documented historical figure who met the Creator of the UNIVERSE, and one is a fat guy in a felt suit who breaks into houses.



Yours in Christ,

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Do you not know that evil doers like you, who deny Santa and elves, will.be eaten, regurgitated and then eaten and regurgitated over and over again by fire breathing reindeers with teeth like devil sharks. This will go on for a billion years and is the fate of all all anti-santa evil doers.You will wail and gnash at Mes Claus to be delivered from this torment and w
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Default Re: The Gospels are Eye Witness Testimony - 11-03-2015, 02:38 PM

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Do you not know that evil doers like you, who deny Santa and elves, will.be eaten, regurgitated and then eaten and regurgitated over and over again by fire breathing reindeers with teeth like devil sharks. This will go on for a billion years and is the fate of all all anti-santa evil doers.You will wail and gnash at Mes Claus to be delivered from this torment and w
Are you a Hindu?


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Default Re: The Gospels are Eye Witness Testimony - 11-03-2015, 03:02 PM

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Do you not know that evil doers like you, who deny Santa and elves, will.be eaten, regurgitated and then eaten and regurgitated over and over again by fire breathing reindeers with teeth like devil sharks. This will go on for a billion years and is the fate of all all anti-santa evil doers.You will wail and gnash at Mes Claus to be delivered from this torment and w


I fear your time here is drawing to a close.


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Default Re: The Gospels are Eye Witness Testimony - 11-03-2015, 12:19 AM

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Which is precisely how Santa operates. This cannot be a coincidence.


Sweetie, Santa doesn't operate in any way, because Santa doesn't exist.

I know you aren't very smart, but really, if you think that Santa is real then you're even dumber than I suspected.
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