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Isaiah, chapter 59

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"5": They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.
Help me brothers, what is a cockatrice? It seems to be a lizard chicken?
I want to learn more and be a scholar, but this one has me stumped.


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5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled
10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


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Default Re: I like this one, but I'm not sure i have it right. - 04-03-2010, 06:36 PM

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"The cockatrice is a mythological creature with the body of a dragon or serpent, and the head and legs of a rooster. According to myth, they are the product of a rooster egg (a rare thing indeed!) hatched by a serpent or toad. A magical creature, it can kill with a glance, and its breath is poisonous. The terms "cockatrice" and "basilisk" are usually used interchangeably."


Some other mentions of the cockatrice in Scripture:


Isaiah 11:7-9
7And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.


Isaiah 14:28-30
28In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.
29Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
30And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.




Jeremiah 8:17
17For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.


II Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
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Default Re: I like this one, but I'm not sure i have it right. - 04-03-2010, 06:40 PM

I believe it would be the Western term for what the Chinese call a dragon. Of course we know that real dragons looked a lot different.


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Default Re: I like this one, but I'm not sure i have it right. - 04-03-2010, 06:52 PM

They were rare even back then, as rooster eggs hatched by toads have a very low rate of viability. According to paleotheist colleagues of mine, the last known cockatrice died in 1173 in Venice, Italy. Here is what they looked like:



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"The cockatrice is a mythological creature [...]
Nothing 'mythical' about it at all. As you quoted yourself, it is in the Bible. Here is a picture of one from Goodman's Bestiary (1642, Landover Press)
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Here's a rare photograph of one:
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Default Re: I like this one, but I'm not sure i have it right. - 04-03-2010, 06:54 PM

Oh my, it seems my fellow Brothers in Christ were all eager to show off what the Cockatrice looks like
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Default Re: I like this one, but I'm not sure i have it right. - 04-03-2010, 06:59 PM

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I believe it would be the Western term for what the Chinese call a dragon. Of course we know that real dragons looked a lot different.
No, no! A dragon and a cockatrice are completely different, God mentions dragons AND cockatrices. This is akin to saying a behemoth and a unicorn are the same thing.





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Nothing 'mythical' about it at all. As you quoted yourself, it is in the Bible.
Indeed, indeed. Although the source material was informative, I failed to check the veracity of the authors. As it turns out, www.kjv-only.com is full of BLASPHEMY.

I am gravely ashamed to have been duped by this vile, contemptuous website. I must be off to the prayer closet for repentance now...


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Default Re: I like this one, but I'm not sure i have it right. - 04-03-2010, 08:27 PM

For reference, this is what a dragon looks like:

This is what a behemoth looks like:

And this is a unicorn:
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No, no! A dragon and a cockatrice are completely different, God mentions dragons AND cockatrices. This is akin to saying a behemoth and a unicorn are the same thing.
Looking at the pictures that have been supplied, I am obviously wrong. I guess it's just two different breeds of dragon.


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For reference, this is what a dragon looks like:

This is what a behemoth looks like:

And this is a unicorn:
Brother, I believe I'm going to have to disagree with you. The Bible never describes a unicorn and that picture comes from wizardry, so it can't be trusted. There were some people who claimed to "breed unicorns" but they were just taking goats and moving the horn nub when it was only a couple of days old.

I'm thinking that theres' a very good chance that all of these creatures were dinosaurs.

For example a cockatrice = feathered dinosaur


dragon = pterodactyl


unicorn = styracosaurus


behemoth = brontosaurus


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unicorn = styracosaurus

I don't know about the styracosaurus being a unicorn, Psalm 29:6 says,
"He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn."

Now, I've never seen a styracosaurus skip, but I have seen a calf skipping around. Although the Bible doesn't specifically describe a unicorn we know that David says in Psalm 22:21, "Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns." This suggests that the unicorn horn could be made into a horn, probably not unlike other shofars. I think it's significant that unicorns are often mentioned with cattle. Perhaps describing it as a horselike creature is also incorrect. Who knows.


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You are correct, I don't think a styracosaurus is capable of skipping.

Perhaps a parasaurolophus?


These could skip, and the horn is hollow so it could be used to make a noise. It's also much more horse like.

My older boys are just gangbusters about dinosaurs right now, so we're studying how many could fit into the ark with all the other animals. One person on here brought up eggs (sorry I forget who it was) so now we're studying how Noah could of kept them warm. It's fascinating.


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Default Re: I like this one, but I'm not sure i have it right. - 04-05-2010, 12:28 PM

I thought that dinosaurs were just something made up by the scientists to 'disprove' the existence of God(?).
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Default Re: I like this one, but I'm not sure i have it right. - 04-05-2010, 02:40 PM

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I thought that dinosaurs were just something made up by the scientists to 'disprove' the existence of God(?).
What are you retarded? Of course dinosaurs exist. They are called dragons in the Bible. How stupid are you that you don't even know that?
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Default Re: I like this one, but I'm not sure i have it right. - 04-05-2010, 06:48 PM

About Biblical creatures, I think it is important to consider the year the Bible was written: 1611.

Obviously, if these creatures are mentioned in the Bible without additional descriptions, apparently God didn't do this because people already knew about them. Therefore, we can safely assume that descriptions of unicorns, cockatrices and satyrs as they were known in 1611 are correct.

This means that the unicorn is indeed a horse with a horn on its head, a satyr is a humanoid creature with the backside of a goat, and a cockatrice is a weird chicken-lizard chimaera (for which, on another note, evilutionists still have to find an explanation).


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About Biblical creatures, I think it is important to consider the year the Bible was written: 1611.

Obviously, if these creatures are mentioned in the Bible without additional descriptions, apparently God didn't do this because people already knew about them. Therefore, we can safely assume that descriptions of unicorns, cockatrices and satyrs as they were known in 1611 are correct.

This means that the unicorn is indeed a horse with a horn on its head, a satyr is a humanoid creature with the backside of a goat, and a cockatrice is a weird chicken-lizard chimaera (for which, on another note, evilutionists still have to find an explanation).
1611 is the date when the translation of the true version of the Bible was complete, but it's obviously not the date that the Bible was actually written. One has to remember that the KJV1611 wasn't completed over night, it took several years.

I suppose I haven't searched for LBC's views on the original Hebrew and Greek texts. Do you accept that previous version of the Bible are holy, or is it only the KJV1611?


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Default Re: I like this one, but I'm not sure i have it right. - 04-06-2010, 02:07 AM

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1611 is the date when the translation of the true version of the Bible was complete, but it's obviously not the date that the Bible was actually written. One has to remember that the KJV1611 wasn't completed over night, it took several years.

I suppose I haven't searched for LBC's views on the original Hebrew and Greek texts. Do you accept that previous version of the Bible are holy, or is it only the KJV1611?
The KJV1611 is a perfect translation of the the original languages. If they say unicorn, satyr, or cockatrice, they MEAN unicorn, satyr or cockatrice.
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Default Re: I like this one, but I'm not sure i have it right. - 04-06-2010, 02:23 AM

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The KJV1611 is a perfect translation of the the original languages. If they say unicorn, satyr, or cockatrice, they MEAN unicorn, satyr or cockatrice.
It's not a 100% perfect translation of the original languages. There are a number of translation errors and other places where italics are added to make things more clear that didn't exist in the original greek/hebrew. Not that I'm saying the KJV1611 isn't the only true version of the Bible, just a clarification point.


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