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Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
10-10-2007, 04:49 AM
Creationism dismissed as 'a kind of paganism' by Vatican's astronomer
http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=674042006
IAN JOHNSTON
BELIEVING that God created the universe in six days is a form of superstitious paganism, the Vatican astronomer Guy Consolmagno claimed yesterday.
Brother Consolmagno, who works in a Vatican observatory in Arizona and as curator of the Vatican meteorite collection in Italy, said a "destructive myth" had developed in modern society that religion and science were competing ideologies.
He described creationism, whose supporters want it taught in schools alongside evolution, as a "kind of paganism" because it harked back to the days of "nature gods" who were responsible for natural events.
Brother Consolmagno argued that the Christian God was a supernatural one, a belief that had led the clergy in the past to become involved in science to seek natural reasons for phenomena such as thunder and lightning, which had been previously attributed to vengeful gods. "Knowledge is dangerous, but so is ignorance. That's why science and religion need to talk to each other," he said.
"Religion needs science to keep it away from superstition and keep it close to reality, to protect it from creationism, which at the end of the day is a kind of paganism - it's turning God into a nature god. And science needs religion in order to have a conscience, to know that, just because something is possible, it may not be a good thing to do."
Brother Consolmagno, who was due to give a speech at the Glasgow Science Centre last night, entitled "Why the Pope has an Astronomer", said the idea of papal infallibility had been a "PR disaster". What it actually meant was that, on matters of faith, followers should accept "somebody has got to be the boss, the final authority".
"It's not like he has a magic power, that God whispers the truth in his ear," he said.
The devil, whose business is to pervert the truth, mimics the exact circumstance of the Divine Sacraments. He baptises his believers and promises forgiveness of sins...he celebrates the oblation of bread, and brings in the symbol of the resurrection. Let us therefore acknowledge the craftiness of the devil, who copied certain things of those that be divine." Tertullian (155-222 AD) from The Prescription Against Heretics' Ch XL
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'a kind of paganism' by Vatican's as -
10-10-2007, 04:56 AM
The mere fact that the roman pope employs astrologers speaks volumes to his depraved indifference to God's perfect message.
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Lev.19:26
Neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.
Dt.18:10-12
There shall not be found among you any ... that useth divination, or an observer of times.... For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD.
Is.47:13-14
Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
Jer.10:2
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
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Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'a kind of paganism' by Vatican's as -
10-10-2007, 05:05 AM
Yes, the Vatican has admitted numerous times that their entire belief system is bollocks, that EVILUTION exists, that the Pope isn't infallible, that the entire Catholic faith is just one huge practical joke gone wrong and their "god" is really DAGON, the fish-head.
But still, we have people in here like that mormon Fr. Fishhead who insists that all priests are not necessarily homers just because the catlick church REQUIRES THEM TO BE by forbidding the normal and natural relations between men and women that GOD invented, and that since they can only bugger boys, 99% of priests join FOR JUST THAT ONE REASON! Getting rid of all catlicks would eliminate pedophelia in the Christian world.
During the past forty years, the Baptist church has sent several delegations to Rome to snuff negotiate Christianity with the pope. Twice we got lucky, but now it's too late. SATAN HIMSELF has taken over the Roman Catlick Church and that can only mean one thing: JESUS IS ON THE WAY BACK!
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'a kind of paganism' by Vatican's as -
02-12-2008, 07:15 AM
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SATAN HIMSELF has taken over the Roman Catlick Church and that can only mean one thing: JESUS IS ON THE WAY BACK!
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Are there any other signs that Jesus is on his way back soon?
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
02-20-2008, 10:17 PM
What do you expect from a buncha Mary Worshipping Cathylicks? These stupid kid piffleers take direct orders from Satan himself
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
02-20-2008, 10:23 PM
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Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators
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Oh that's great! I'm an astronomy major. Guess that explains a little bit
At least the Catholics know how to keep up with the times. I mean how is Satan supposed to lead us astray if nobody is looking for reasons to doubt God?
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
04-30-2008, 01:14 PM
Well I agree entirely with Sister Phelps; what more can we expect from Godless heathens such as the Catholics? I heard that Richard Dawkins is in line to become the next pope.
Anyone with any faith can point to Genesis and show that these Catholics are serpent-tongued devils.
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"And the LORD said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod."
Exodus 4:2.
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
04-30-2008, 01:29 PM
ROFL, the Vatican condemning something on the grounds of paganism. That really cracks me up.
Exodus 22:18 says, "Suffer not a witch to live." Deuteronomy 18:10 says, "There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch."
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04-30-2008, 11:58 PM
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Are there any other signs that Jesus is on his way back soon?
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Yes. Many, many other signs.
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I heard that Richard Dawkins is in line to become the next pope.... Anyone with any faith can point to Genesis and show that these Catholics are serpent-tongued devils.
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I doubt they'd pick Dawkins. He's already doing fine service for Satan writing his ridiculous books, so why would the Devil transfer him to another division? But, Robbie, I like the way you think, because certainly one doesn't need to read very far into the Bible to realize that Catholics are liars.
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'a kind of paganism' by Vatican's as -
08-12-2008, 03:41 PM
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The mere fact that the roman pope employs astrologers speaks volumes to his depraved indifference to God's perfect message.
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It said he as Astronomers you silly goose, not astrologers. There is a very VERY big difference ya know? But that's alright. You are forgiven, child. Now smile!
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'a kind of paganism' by Vatican's as -
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It said he as Astronomers you silly goose, not astrologers. There is a very VERY big difference ya know? But that's alright. You are forgiven, child. Now smile!
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What's the difference? Both are equally satanic and false.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
05-26-2009, 12:23 AM
We already know that God knows how everything will go down, and that it will work in his favor. So I don't see why we should worry about this stuff
God has nothing to worry about
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
08-12-2009, 12:23 AM
How can you disagree with what the Vatican says? They are God's voice on earth!
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
08-12-2009, 12:25 AM
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How can you disagree with what the Vatican says? They are God's voice on earth!
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No they're not.
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
08-12-2009, 12:27 AM
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How can you disagree with what the Vatican says? They are God's voice on earth!
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The vatican is mob run
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
08-12-2009, 12:30 AM
Yes they are! Jesus even says so in the Bible!
Matthew 16:17 Jesus replied, 'Simon son of Jonah, you are a blessed man! Because it was no human agency that revealed this to you but my Father in heaven.
18 So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my community. And the gates of the underworld can never overpower it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven: whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.'
AHA! I bet you never knew that, did you? But I learned it in Youth Group, so I know it's true!
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
08-12-2009, 12:42 AM
How does that support your wild conclusions?
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
08-12-2009, 12:47 AM
See, there Jesus said Peter is His rock on earth. And Peter founded the Catholic Church, so it is the only True Church! Hosana in the highest.
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
08-12-2009, 01:26 AM
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How can you disagree with what the Vatican says? They are God's voice on earth!
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How can the Vatican't contradict the Bible, then, and say that the Bible is wrong when it comes to Creation?
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See, there Jesus said Peter is His rock on earth. And Peter founded the Catholic Church, so it is the only True Church! Hosana in the highest.
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Is Peter presently alive, or dead?
Does the Bible indicate apostolic succession? Where?
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Re: Creationism dismissed as 'paganism' by Vatican! -
08-12-2009, 01:36 AM
"what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2)
Titus 1: 5For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
Acts 1: 15And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
16Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
17For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
21Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Psalm 109: 8Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
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