[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_God

No offense taken, I am just trying to get a handle on how you people think... If you are truly interested in knowing more about how I think you can always PM me, I will gladly answer any question.

Anyway, topic-related: Every True Christian here beats his wife and kids, or at least in the 10 topics I've read regarding the "issue". I've seen some examples of planning to beat them too actually now that you mention it. Especially in the topics concerning the sale of children.

I just don't quite understand why you would chose a wife which you are going to hit when she doesn't do exactly what you tell her to do? Are you not supposed to live your wife the way she is? My girlfriend (I'm no Christian so I don't need to be married to have sex ) does a lot of stuff I don't agree with. I don't really care, she is entitled to her own life and opinion, just like me.

You see friend, if you had actually read the Bible, you would see why we have to use physical means with lesser beings. They are incapable of understanding otherwise. You use the rod when they make mistakes and kind words when they do well.
1 Peter 3:7
Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

It saddens me to hear you are with a whore. You will get diseased and God will smote you.
Ephesians 5-6:24
5 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;
7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:
8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
21 But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, shall make known to you all things:
22 Whom I have sent unto you for the same purpose, that ye might know our affairs, and that he might comfort your hearts.
23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

Think about it friend

[I_Hate_God]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

You don't have to not believe in God in order to not beat your family.

How about not beating your family because it's just plain wrong?

Well of course that's the reason why you don't do it... Not sure why you are arguing with me about this?

You see friend, if you had actually read the Bible, you would see why we have to use physical means with lesser beings. They are incapable of understanding otherwise. You use the rod when they make mistakes and kind words when they do well.

That's the way you treat your dog, not the woman you love...

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_God

...........
That's the way you treat your dog, not the woman you love...

Of course you ignored the Bible verse I painstakingly fetched for you.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_God

...That's the way you treat your dog...

You beat your dog? You monster! You really should be locked away.

[I_Hate_God]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Of course you ignored the Bible verse I painstakingly fetched for you.

I read it, but it holds no meaning for me... I don't care what the Bible says, I am not going to hit the woman I love. I don't believe in Heaven so why should I be concerned about getting there?

If my girlfriend (I shall call her by name, which makes things a lot easier), Lize, does something I do not approve, I will forgive her, take her in my arms and cherish every moment that we have together... I will not hit her, I will not force her to my will, because she is beautiful just the way she is. Her actions and the choices that she makes are not mine to control. She does not live to please me, neither do I live to please her... I love her for all that she is, and she does the same for me.

If this feeling is unknown to you, if you can not find the strength in your heart to love your wife as much as I love Lize... I just feel sorry for you, for it is the best feeling in the world. And even if you are right and it is the devils work and I shall rot in hell because of it, I wouldn't want to miss that feeling for the world.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_God

I read it, but it holds no meaning for me... I don't care what the Bible says, I am not going to hit the woman I love. I don't believe in Heaven so why should I be concerned about getting there?

If my girlfriend (I shall call her by name, which makes things a lot easier), Lize, does something I do not approve, I will forgive her, take her in my arms and cherish every moment that we have together... I will not hit her, I will not force her to my will, because she is beautiful just the way she is. Her actions and the choices that she makes are not mine to control. She does not live to please me, neither do I live to please her... I love her for all that she is, and she does the same for me.

If this feeling is unknown to you, if you can not find the strength in your heart to love your wife as much as I love Lize... I just feel sorry for you, for it is the best feeling in the world. And even if you are right and it is the devils work and I shall rot in hell because of it, I wouldn't want to miss that feeling for the world.

By defying God and refusing to discipline and subjugate your whore of a girlfriend, you are condemning yourself and "Lize" to an eternity in hell.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_God

Well of course that's the reason why you don't do it... Not sure why you are arguing with me about this?




That's the way you treat your dog, not the woman you love...

What a silly non sequitur. A dog is a beast. It doesn't have any bearing on anything. If at times I beat both of them then so what! It's just coincidence. I'm not elevating the dog to the level of a human.

To say that just because I can beat my dog means I can't beat my wife is ridiculous. God's where I get my morality, not from the ramblings of people who use beasts to decide what to do.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_God

I read it, but it holds no meaning for me... I don't care what the Bible says, I am not going to hit the woman I love. I don't believe in Heaven so why should I be concerned about getting there?

If my girlfriend (I shall call her by name, which makes things a lot easier), Lize, does something I do not approve, I will forgive her, take her in my arms and cherish every moment that we have together... I will not hit her, I will not force her to my will, because she is beautiful just the way she is. Her actions and the choices that she makes are not mine to control. She does not live to please me, neither do I live to please her... I love her for all that she is, and she does the same for me.

If this feeling is unknown to you, if you can not find the strength in your heart to love your wife as much as I love Lize... I just feel sorry for you, for it is the best feeling in the world. And even if you are right and it is the devils work and I shall rot in hell because of it, I wouldn't want to miss that feeling for the world.

If your father told you not to get into a car filled with drug addled, disease infested people going to some 'mosh pit', would you go or would you listen to your father?
If you listen to your father, you might inherit his kingdom. If you go to the 'mosh pit' will will die a horryfying death.
Seems pretty stupid if you ask me.

[I_Hate_God]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

By defying God and refusing to discipline and subjugate your whore of a girlfriend, you are condemning yourself and "Lize" to an eternity in hell.

So I'm going to end up in hell because I don't beat her senseless?

What a silly non sequitur. A dog is a beast. It doesn't have any bearing on anything. If at times I beat both of them then so what! It's just coincidence. I'm not elevating the dog to the level of a human.

To say that just because I can beat my dog means I can't beat my wife is ridiculous. God's where I get my morality, not from the ramblings of people who use beasts to decide what to do.

You're not elevating the dog to the level of a human, you are decreasing the value of humans by treating them as dogs.

I'm not saying you can beat your dog either by the way, you should beat neither one. The only reason people hit their dog is because they can't understand English and therefore can not be easily corrected with words.

Anyway, that's not really the point. Why would you want to hit your wife?

If your father told you not to get into a car filled with drug addled, disease infested people going to some 'mosh pit', would you go or would you listen to your father?
If you listen to your father, you might inherit his kingdom. If you go to the 'mosh pit' will will die a horryfying death.
Seems pretty stupid if you ask me

First of all, my father doesn't own any kingdom so inheriting one is quite unlikely.

Second, I CHOOSE to step into that car if I want to do so. He is NOT the owner of my body and soul, so he can't actually ORDER me what to do. I make decisions for myself, with his council in mind.

Third, I've been in mosh pits before you know, I am still very much alive. The horrifying death part confuses me a little.

Last but not least, why the hell would I be disease infested or drug addled? Because I listen to Rock 'n Roll? That just makes no sense, sound waves don't cause diseases, and if I were to do drugs (not that I do) it would be because I want to, not because Rock told me to do so.

[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_God

I've been in mosh pits before you know, I am still very much alive.

Before you'll know it you will be roasting in the pits of hell while Jesus laughs in the heavens.

Psalm 55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.

Psalm 37:12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
Psalm 37:13 The LORD shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

Ask yourself before it's too late, do you really want to keep living your sinful lifestyle for the mere sake of earthly pleasures and in turn be sentenced to an eternity of burning in hell? or do you want to accept Jesus, receive His love and grace and spend an eternity with Him in a paradise of divine pleasure?

Is living a lifestyle of sex, drugs and rock 'n roll really worth the cost? Just think about it for a while.

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[Pim Pendergast]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_God

So I'm going to end up in hell because I don't beat her senseless?

Ultimately you're going end up in hell because you don't believe in Jesus.

Jn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

But if you loved Jesus, you would obey His commands.

Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And love is the fulfilment of the law (Rom 13:10). Therefore you would obey God's law in regard to how you should discipline your wife.

You're not elevating the dog to the level of a human, you are decreasing the value of humans by treating them as dogs.

The Bible is very clear on the hierarchy of humans and animals. It goes like this:

1) Man
2) Woman
3) Animals

1 Cor 11:3,7 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God. For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Eph 5:22-23 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 9:2-3 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth [upon] the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

First of all, my father doesn't own any kingdom so inheriting one is quite unlikely.

Second, I CHOOSE to step into that car if I want to do so. He is NOT the owner of my body and soul, so he can't actually ORDER me what to do. I make decisions for myself, with his council in mind.

Last but not least, why the hell would I be disease infested or drug addled? Because I listen to Rock 'n Roll? That just makes no sense, sound waves don't cause diseases, and if I were to do drugs (not that I do) it would be because I want to, not because Rock told me to do so.

So you think you don't need to live by the Bible? You can just do whatever you think is right? How's that working out for you? The Bible promises that kind of lifestyle can only end in disaster.

Lev 26:14-17
14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, [but] that ye break my covenant:
16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_God

So I'm going to end up in hell because I don't beat her senseless?



You're not elevating the dog to the level of a human, you are decreasing the value of humans by treating them as dogs.

I'm not saying you can beat your dog either by the way, you should beat neither one. The only reason people hit their dog is because they can't understand English and therefore can not be easily corrected with words.

Anyway, that's not really the point. Why would you want to hit your wife?



First of all, my father doesn't own any kingdom so inheriting one is quite unlikely.

Second, I CHOOSE to step into that car if I want to do so. He is NOT the owner of my body and soul, so he can't actually ORDER me what to do. I make decisions for myself, with his council in mind.

Third, I've been in mosh pits before you know, I am still very much alive. The horrifying death part confuses me a little.

Last but not least, why the hell would I be disease infested or drug addled? Because I listen to Rock 'n Roll? That just makes no sense, sound waves don't cause diseases, and if I were to do drugs (not that I do) it would be because I want to, not because Rock told me to do so.

What you obviously don't understand is the fundamental psychology of the feminine mind (such as it is).

They have a fundamental need to be told what to do. If you put a bunch of women in a room, what happens?

That's right: they start chattering like hens. They go on and on about cushions and soft furnishings with not a jot of thought about the sacrifice The Lord made for us. And why do they shy away from giving The Lord His due?

That's right: they have no fundamental conception of things of importance. To them our Lord's temporary sacrifice so that our sins can be forgiven is no more important than the next issue of 'Pies Quarterly'.

That is why God is His majestic mercy gave them a way to Heaven via the minor pain of childbirth. This means that they can have purpose (new soldiers of Christ) and can experience some of the pain Jesus put Himself through on the cross.

This all adds up to the man of the house need to gentle but firmly make sure women get married and pregnant. If a woman does not want to do this she will go to Hell: what more loving gift can a man give to marry and impregnate her dirty flange with his manly seed?

And if the woman needs to be encouraged to do so to save her from Hell a few earthy bruises can be covered up with the make up and the resultant emotional trauma can be treated by people like me: so a woman with corrective bruises and trauma is adding to the economy by paying my wages.

It's people like you who want women to go to Hell and to run our country into the ground and into bankruptcy: you are a hateful and hurtful person.

Maybe you need to look at yourself before you poke you joo beak into other people's business?

YIC

[Danny Scott]

Why on earth would you want to beat your wife, especially when she is with child? It's quite dangerous for the baby as well, there is a pretty high chance of killing it when you punch her severely. Doesn't it say in the bible murder is wrong? Even abortion? Because that is what beating a pregnant woman leads to!

[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

Originally Posted by Danny Scott

Why on earth would you want to beat your wife, especially when she is with child? It's quite dangerous for the baby as well, there is a pretty high chance of killing it when you punch her severely. Doesn't it say in the bible murder is wrong? Even abortion? Because that is what beating a pregnant woman leads to!

Biblically speaking, killing a disrespectful child is not murder. If the child is causing the mother unwanted physical pain or mental instability then that alone is a good reason to rightfully put the child to death.

Exodus 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

Exodus 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

However, since secular laws prevent this from being possible in our modern, de-Christianized society we must be very careful not to cause too much physical harm to our children, but still enough for them to understand what True Christian™ love is all about.

Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

[Danny Scott]

Originally Posted by Dr. Isaiah Jones

Biblically speaking, killing a disrespectful child is not murder. If the child is causing the mother unwanted physical pain or mental instability then that alone is a good reason to rightfully put the child to death.

Exodus 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

Exodus 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

However, since secular laws prevent this from being possible in our modern, de-Christianized society we must be very careful not to cause too much physical harm to our children, but still enough for them to understand what True Christian™ love is all about.

Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

That's all very nice but Exodus 20:13 clearly states: "You shall not murder."

My opinion on this matter may not mean much to you, but killing someone is murder. And the Bible says that "you shall not murder". So how exactly is it righteous to murder your own flesh and blood according to the bible when you're not allowed to murder anyone, period?

To stay on topic: How can an unborn child smite his father or mother?

[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

Originally Posted by Danny Scott

That's all very nice but Exodus 20:13 clearly states: "You shall not murder."

My opinion on this matter may not mean much to you, but killing someone is murder. And the Bible says that "you shall not murder". So how exactly is it righteous to murder your own flesh and blood according to the bible when you're not allowed to murder anyone, period?

It all depends on how you define murder. Is it murder when a homosexual couple gets executed for sodomy? No. Why? Because it says so in the Bible.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Since the Bible commands that sodomites should be executed for their vile behavior then it does not fall under the category of murder according to Biblical standards. If you had read the quotes from my previous post you would see that the same applies to bad-mannered children.

Psalm 55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.

This is the reason why we need to get rid of secular laws so that the laws of the Bible can be fully embraced for a better, healthier society. Glory!

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_God

I'm not saying you can beat your dog either by the way, you should beat neither one. The only reason people hit their dog is because they can't understand English and therefore can not be easily corrected with words.

Anyway, that's not really the point. Why would you want to hit your wife?

It's not like I want to beat my wife. It's more a case of, "Look at what you made me do!"

God's ways are wise, even when deep down we are troubled by what He says we should do. Sometimes the pleading for mercy almost makes me hold back but then I think about what Jesus would do and I just leave it at a stick instead of a lash made from a rope.

It's the same with campaigning for the death penalty for queers.

[James Hutchins]

Friend, I am forced to use phyiscal methods with my wife because she refuses to follow simple commands. To you honestly think you should just let transgressions slide? Where would you draw the line? How far into deprevation should I let her go before I intervene to help Save her soul? Don't you realize, with every swing of my arm is a manifestation of my Love? Or should I ignore her?