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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-08-2011, 11:09 PM

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Thats nice....i like it when you talk dirty...take a look at all the threads in this forum and see how many of you so called Christians use vanity, ridicule, pride, exaggeration, whats the next step..ban me cos you cant handle me?..fine if your all christian cowards...
Friend, I realise this may sound implausible, but we handle bigger idiots than you every day. I understand that being banned is the only way you could finish this argument with any dignity, but it's just not going to happen.
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!...what's the big deal with you Christians..cant you handle me?...what are you afraid of?....is that your solution to atheists..ban them?
You do realise that you've not been banned, right? That might suggest that we don't just ban people for being atheists.
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...they show a little backbone.....so much for loving your enemies as well as your neighbours!..maybe you need to listen more to Sweet Jesus or the Apostle Paul rather than your own hearts and foolish heads!....Why do you pass judgment on me so....You keep giving me infraction's like they are going out of fashion!!
infraction's are pretty 2010, to be fair. Here at Landover, we're more about the infractions. Is there a specific font you'd like to receive your next infraction in?
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.....we will all stand before the judgment seat of God one day for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God....

My words are no worse than your petty constant use of insults and ridicule...
We insult sinners. You insult Christians and God Himself. It's all about the context.
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I give you ALL a challenge...i will refrain from mocking your words if you refrain from ridiculing mine.
I'll give you a challenge. I will strictly obey every single command in the KJV 1611 and go to Heaven if you do the same thing. Deal?
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If your beliefs are weak and you cant take criticism maybe you should make your forum a member's only by personal invitation through your churches....

Or better still ban all atheists!..and stop playing PRETEND science with your little mind tricks and self deluded ideas...it only makes you look worse!..or thicker than you all prob are already!
I understand that you want us to ban you, but we won't let Satan win that easily. You're staying here until you admit that we're right.
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Ban me if thats your solution.
I think you are possessed by a demon of masochism. Next you'll be telling me to tie you up and sodomise you.
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i understand....i forgive you all...you are all probibly really nice people but i feel you are afraid of me i know...maybe you wish only the weak or pretend righteous to stay here for you to prey upon and confuse with your mixed up logic and hand me down beliefs...
You do realise that we still haven't banned you, right?
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Still maybe anything is better than having to look at Pastor Jim Osbornes ridiculous VANITY! wig and false (give me your money ) smile! he really loves himself (and the money!) ....is that the angle with some of you guys..lovers of money and not true lovers of god?....

The choice is yours...ban me like dirty low life yellow backed cowards or show me more respect and see if i behave more!......
Just because we haven't banned you doesn't mean we respect Satan's servants.
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500 miles eh...ehmmm..now lets think this one trough shall we Jack...i assume you have flown on an aeroplane..if not i assume you know they fly greta distance sometimes 1000's of miles.....lets say you fly from Ohio, United States to New York, NY, United States...approx 500 miles..or an hrs flight on a jet aeroplane...now when you land at new york you look at the sunset and see its very low in the sky..infact its on the horizon....now we know that you said the sun is only 500 miles high..and that Ohio is 500 miles away!...so in order to have the sun appear on the horizon at such a distance it must either be

A/ 93 million miles away
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B/ on TOP of OHIO city..burning the houses and setting fire to everyone and everything!...
You didn't mention God once in any of that, so your logic must be pretty flawed.
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And if you claim the earth is indeed flat!..then how else would a sun appear so low on the horizon at only 500 miles away..simple triangulation would show that only two possibilities exist!..either A or B above...its impossible for any other explanation to be correct!
Explanation C: God made it happen.

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i am trying to open minds and human hearts to reality...not wishful credulity..i do realise of course the road is a long and hard choice compared with the narrow path Jesus spoke about that supposedly leads to everlasting life...but is that broad road really as bad as Jesus said?....
Yes. Are you calling Jesus a liar?

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Why did god create adam and eve then put them in a position of doubt and confusion?
Because He's God. What's the point of being God if you don't get to do stuff like that?
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and why would god put trees of knowledge and life in that garden yet deny their access
Because He's God. What's the point of being God if you don't get to do stuff like that?
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....questions my friend....Adam was created to die....god must of known that...as soon as his eyes were opened to the truth..by eating from the tree of knowledge he was instantly shunned and denied to eat from the tree of life!..how cruel and selfish is such a god...why do you persist in loving him?...
You yourself just admitted that He's incredibly cruel. Why do you persist on wanting to get on His bad side?
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Does the Bible really say there is only one God?
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
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Or does it say that many gods exist?
Deuteronomy 6:14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
15 (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.
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Did Almighty God really create this material world? Or perhaps another, lesser god maybe he created this material world?
Read the Bible then get back to me.
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These are important questions James, because the God of whom Jesus Christ spoke is a gentle, loving Heavenly Father. Yet why then is the universe overflowing
with evil, cruelty, agony and death. How can one reconcile the reality of evil, cruelty, agony and death with the theory of a loving Heavenly Father?

So what is your true meaning of Christ then?..lets see how we differ...
Our Father is not a theory. He is a reality. If you want to try and piss Him off, go ahead, but the way He reconciles not liking you with the fact of eternal Hellfire may be pretty painful.
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Open your mind brother the maths are not hard...either the earth is 500miles or not...say its a 1000 its still the same maths...do this when your on the loo too Billy...get some graph paper and draw a triangle with the flat earth on the base...then put in the two cities in..OR JACKS head if you prefer Billy!!...THEN move the sun over Ohio AND KEEP IT AT 500-1000 MILES AND DROP YOUR HEAD DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF NEW YORK (or Jack head!) AND TELL ME IF THE SUN APPEARS ON THE HORIZON OF THE PAPER ...what...NO...surely it must....so your now telling me the earth isnt flat and the sun isnt 500 miles high!...your trying to poison my mind Billy!

Seriously dude take your time and do the simple maths!...

TRY AGAIN Jack....keep up the Christian science...its amazing how similar it is to early tribal superstition and their simplistic beliefs..i like it!..well done Jack....you get 9 out of 10 for creativity...and 2 out of 10 for you basic mathematics....Jacks Halo!...cool...even if it is a pretty thick one!
None of that proved God doesn't exist, so we still win.
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can i ask you a question? are you without sin?
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.


God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.
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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-12-2011, 07:37 PM

another proof that the sun is not that far: heat.
try the experiment: light a fire, then get away from it. the further you are, the weaker the heat beams get, and the coilder you are. especially if it is cold out there.
now, the sun is supposedly, according to scientists, BILLIONS of miles away: then how comes it's hot on the planet? especially considering that the space is cold enough to cool any particles before it gets to earth...
it's peposterous. don't believe the media, do the experiment by yourself.
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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-13-2011, 07:45 PM

I just found something really interesting about that topic.

Just look at that
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That's really interesting, i like that very much
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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-13-2011, 08:49 PM

Typical atheist. Solution for everything is to spam porn. Monkey-worshipers seems to get dumber and dumber every day.
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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-14-2011, 09:18 AM

This is evidence that evolution does not exist. This guy is going backwards. Within a couple of generations his type would be climbing back up a tree, eating ticks with his thumb stuck up his arse. He may be there already.


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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-19-2011, 08:54 AM

Hi, this argument really made me think and I am curious to learn more about creation science. I was wondering about one thing here: if I stand on the beach at sunset I can watch the sun disappear behind the sea. Is the sun then 500 miles away?
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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-19-2011, 10:45 AM

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Hi, this argument really made me think and I am curious to learn more about creation science. I was wondering about one thing here: if I stand on the beach at sunset I can watch the sun disappear behind the sea. Is the sun then 500 miles away?
Nice try heathen, but as a typical monkey-worshiper you think you are the centre of the universe. This is not the case, sun does not go around you. It goes around the earth and earth is very large place. This may come as a shock to you, but even Godly USA alone is wider than 500 miles.

So obviously sun does not disappear, it just moves further away in firmament, so eventually it's too far for you to see the light anymore. You can learn more about sun from these wonderful diagrams posted by sister Mitza.

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The Bible does describe the sun arising & the sun going down Ecclesiastes 1:5 but does not mention any orbit. After going down the sun is described as hastening back to the place of rising.

The firmament is a solid structure holding the waters above in check (except when God opens the windows in the solid dome he made to flood the earth)

GENESIS 1:6-8 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters: and let it diuide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament; and diuided the waters, which were vnder the firmament, from the waters, which were aboue the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament, Heauen: and the euening and the morning were the second day.
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NOTE: NOT ..and Noah called the firmament OR ..and Rudyard Kipling called the firmament OR ..and Queen Esther called the firmament
GOD named the firmament.
GOD made the firmament.
GOD knows what it is.
W A T E R S . . A B O V E

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GENESIS 7:11,19-20 In the sixe hundredth yeere of Noahs life, in the second moneth, the seuenteenth day of the moneth, the same day, were al the fountaines of the great deepe broken vp, and the windowes of heauen were opened...And the waters preuailed exceedingly vpon the earth, and all the high hils, that were vnder the whole heauen, were couered. Fifteene cubits vpward, did the waters preuaile; and the mountaines were couered.
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NOTE: the firmament HAS WINDOWS IN IT — like THIS:





THE EARTH DOES NOT MOVE

I SAMUEL 2:8 He raiseth vp the poore out of the dust, and lifteth vp the begger from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lords, and hee hath set the world vpon them.
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PSALM 104:5-6 Who laid the foundations of the earth: that it should not be remoued for euer. Thou coueredst it with the deepe as with a garment: the waters stood aboue the mountaines.
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God explains how, after he had made fruit trees and grasses, he made the sun and fixed it in the solid firmament.

NOTE: the sun DID NOT EXIST before flowering plants were created (fruit trees were made first: the sun was made later on)
it is NOT above the firmament
it is NOT floating somewhere in the waters being held back by that solid dome
it is NOT in the "outer space" of mythology. The Bible tells us that:
GENESIS 1:12-17a,19 ..the earth brought foorth grasse, and herbe yeelding seed after his kinde, and the tree yeelding fruit, whose seed was in it selfe, after his kinde: and God saw that it was good. And the euening and the morning were the third day. And God said, Let there bee lights in the firmament of the heauen, to diuide the day from the night: and let them be for signes and for seasons, and for dayes and yeeres. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heauen, to giue light vpon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the starres also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heauen...And the euening and the morning were the fourth day.





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The word orbit is not found in The Bible.

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now when you land at New York you look at the sunset and see its very low in the sky..infact its on the horizon
well, what a surprise to learn that when the sun sets in New York it appears low in the sky
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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-19-2011, 12:28 PM

Why are you all still suggesting that sun is only 500 miles away.

Its long confirmed that its
92,955,820.5 miles.

Why do we know it? Because the speed of light is constant.


http://www.astro-tom.com/getting_sta...n_distance.htm
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Why are you all still suggesting that sun is only 500 miles away.

Its long confirmed that its
92,955,820.5 miles.

Why do we know it? Because the speed of light is constant.


http://www.astro-tom.com/getting_sta...n_distance.htm
Right, so what have you got one guy dangling from a rope from the Sun and one guy on the Earth comparing stopwatches? Anyway scientists will tell you anything. They say that speed of light is the fastest thing out there but it's nothing compared to the speed of prayer. God hears you in an INSTANT.

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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-19-2011, 12:48 PM

You dont have to fire laser at sun. You can also aim it at Venus or Mercury and get its dintance from Earth. Then measure its angle and finally calculate distance to Sun. Simple.


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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-19-2011, 12:59 PM

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You dont have to fire laser at sun. You can also aim it at Venus or Mercury and get its dintance from Earth.
Sure

I'm sure you are shooting laser at planets all the time.
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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-19-2011, 01:08 PM

Why cant you understand basic physics. Did you even finish first 12 grades.


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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-19-2011, 01:10 PM

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You dont have to fire laser at sun. You can also aim it at Venus or Mercury and get its dintance from Earth. Then measure its angle and finally calculate distance to Sun. Simple.
Firstly do not post satanic heliocentric images on God's favourite forum. Even going on your silly false picture, from Earth how would you know the angle from Venus to the Sun was 90 degrees? How would you know the distance to Venus to do the calculation? Have you got a big ladder and a very long tape measure? Have you got a big set square to check the angle from Venus to the Sun?

You think you know the distance to the Sun based on the speed of light. Hows do you know the speed of light? because scientists tell you. You atheist allways have to rely of faith in the end dont you?

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(by the way you have got the dimentions wrong, you have the Earth, Sun and Venus all the same size. The Earth is the largest by far)


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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-19-2011, 01:27 PM

We'll see who is right when Rapture comes on October 21, 2011. Or better to say when it wont come. Only 1 way to find out.

  1. You claims - sun 500 miles away, made of coal
  2. Scientific claims - sun 92,955,820 miles away, made of 74% H and 24% He


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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-19-2011, 01:43 PM

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We'll see who is right when Rapture comes on October 21, 2011. Or better to say when it wont come. Only 1 way to find out.

  1. You claims - sun 500 miles away, made of coal
  2. Scientific claims - sun 92,955,820 miles away, made of 74% H and 24% He
Nobody knows when the rapture will happen.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

The difference is we will be ready for it, will you?

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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-19-2011, 03:29 PM

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15,000,000 degrees , how would you measure that? The mercury would break the thermometer.
And I suppose he went there and measured the temperature himself?

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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-19-2011, 08:37 PM

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So obviously sun does not disappear, it just moves further away in firmament, so eventually it's too far for you to see the light anymore. You can learn more about sun from these wonderful diagrams posted by sister Mitza.
Thanks for the explanation and the illustrating graphics. The diagrams show the firmament shaped as a hemisphere. The sun moves along the firmament. What do you mean by the sun “just moves further away in firmament”? In the diagrams the sun seems to touch ground at sunset.
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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-19-2011, 10:05 PM

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Thanks for the explanation and the illustrating graphics. The diagrams show the firmament shaped as a hemisphere. The sun moves along the firmament. What do you mean by the sun “just moves further away in firmament”? In the diagrams the sun seems to touch ground at sunset.
Look, Mister, practically none of your "scientific" "jargon" words are in the Bible©, so you shouldn't use them here.
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Default Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close. - 07-23-2011, 12:06 PM

Okay, simply put: I would like to know, where are the places (shown in the diagrams), where the sun touches ground at sunrise and sunset?
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