[aUniversityStudent]

Originally Posted by Levi Jones

Is it a particle or a wave? How fast does it go? What is it about mass that causes it to exist?

Since we don't understand the exact mechanism for gravity, I think everyone would have to agree that it is possible that since God created and set the laws of gravity into motion, that it is God who controls it all.

Hello Levi, this is such an interesting topic and I am glad to see it has caused so much discussion in the name of Jesus. I think that while gravity is very interesting and important (to us in our daily lives, that is), it is not something that we can use to argue for or against God. Regardless of if there is God or no God (or a pagan god), gravity still exists. But how to explain something that we can't see?

Well its easy. We can't see microwaves....yet they work! We can't see bacteria...but our medicines fight them off! We can't see Tension or Weight or Force...yet massive bridges are erected that somehow let us drive over them day and night without somehow crashing down. Is Jesus down there holding up the bridge? Is it God that pushes (or pulls) two objects of different size and weight to the ground when dropped from the same height? No. While God may have created the place where this stuff happens, and the rules that govern patterns (like if I let go of something, it will fall, every time) of physical existence, he obviously gave us the mental capacity to pick up on some of it, and figure some of it out. I submit at this time that we do know what Gravity is, and I will attempt to show so in a few ways.

To begin, gravity is neither a particle nor a wave. Gravity is a force which, along with the 3 other forces make up the current understanding of physics. Gravity is vicariously described in Einstiens famous (E=mc2) equation as a resulting phenomenon of the curvature of spacetime. It can be shown using various mathematical equations (which always work, except at the center of black holes [which are theoretical anyway]). Every object which exists has mass. Some objects have more mass than others. Those that are more massive exert more gravity on those that are less massive. For example when you drop a ball, it falls to the center of the Earth... no matter where you are! you could be on opposite corners of the Earth and the ball will always fall down- this is what we call gravity. IF you can provide me with evidence of a case when a ball dropped did not fall towards the center of the Earth.....congratulations! You will have just proven that we really don't have a clue what Gravity is.

tl;dr: I know what gravity is! It is a force that attracts objects. Every object with mass has gravity and you can actually calculate it with a pen and paper (or in your head if you are smart). To prove this I can drop a ball and it will always fall towards the Earth, or I could calculate the gravitational force between any two objects, if you knew the mass of each (or some constant that could be converted into a mass)

Bonus: regardless of how little we may know about the exact mechanism of gravity (most likely some sub-atomic/quantum interaction that we will discover within the next few years, much like the mathematical proof of the Higgs-Boson particle confirmed our theory of mass a few years ago), Humanity has successfully launched multiple objects off our our Earth and millions of miles into space, many of which have 'somehow' managed to navigate the gravitational pull of every object in their paths and are still reporting back to us! Gravity is truly a beautiful thing and I cannot wait to learn more about it. I cannot wait to hear your thoughts on this matter and I hope that if I am wrong on these points you will help guide my ignorance, thank you. -aUS

[Soulless Husk]

The only reason man has managed to defy gravity is because GOD has allowed him to. All movements within space and time are due to the complete control of HIM, without which we would all be frozen on the spot, unable to reach for our bibles to pray to the good LORD to allow us to move. He was gracious enough to allow us relatively free movement in 2 dimension, and partial movement in the third, this small allowance of which is to fool us into thinking we may someday make our way to his holy kingdom without his consent.

The Lord is truly gracious in giving us this freedom of movement, and yet he taketh it away lest we stray unto the dark ones path by filling our heads with knowledge. By keeping our minds completely void of all but the holy scripture, we are light enough to soar into Gods arms.

[Marshall]

God understands gravity so I have no need to. It just works and thats good enough for me.

[Pim Pendergast]

Originally Posted by aUniversityStudent

tl;dr

Indeed. I didn't see a single quote from the 1611 KJV.

Regardless of how little we may know about the exact mechanism of gravity (most likely some sub-atomic/quantum interaction that we will discover within the next few years, much like the mathematical proof of the Higgs-Boson particle confirmed our theory of mass a few years ago), Humanity has successfully launched multiple objects off our our Earth and millions of miles into space, many of which have 'somehow' managed to navigate the gravitational pull of every object in their paths and are still reporting back to us! Gravity is truly a beautiful thing and I cannot wait to learn more about it. I cannot wait to hear your thoughts on this matter and I hope that if I am wrong on these points you will help guide my ignorance, thank you.

It amazes me how scientists and their followers are prepared to live with so much doubt in their lives. How can you live like that? As a Christian, I'm 100% certain of what -- and, more importantly, whom (2 Tim 1:12b)-- I believe in and that God has told me 100% of what I need to know in His Word, the Bible. I have no room for doubt. So when scientists tell me that they know how this, this and this works but can't yet explain how this, this and this works, I switch off. I'm also taken aback by your confidence that scientists will discover the mechanism of gravity in just a few years. If science could make such reliable predictions based on incomplete information, everyone would believe in it.

[aUniversityStudent]

I see. I want to thank all three of you for your kind replies and believe I understand now. Not only do scientists not know how gravity works or what it is----nobody does. what a mystery our world truly is!

[Rev. Jamar D. Dodson]

Originally Posted by aUniversityStudent

IF you can provide me with evidence of a case when a ball dropped did not fall towards the center of the Earth.....congratulations! You will have just proven that we really don't have a clue what Gravity is.

The moon.

It's a ball floating in the sky that isn't falling to the center of the Earth.

[samfosse]

Gravity is not a "wave" or a "particle" it is a force that is caused by the attraction of mass in our universe. All objects posses a gravitation pull but the strength of this pull is proportional to their mass. The "speed" of gravity your asking about is again proportional to the mass of the objects. For instance on Earth the acceleration rate of an object in free fall not accounting for wind resistance is 9.8m/s/s. This is all very basic physics that everyone should have learned in their highschool education. I am astonished beyond belief at the stupidity and ignorance that almost every post in this forum possesses. I can understand why you believe in god. I was raised a christian. But your ignorance towards this proven and easily demonstrated SCIENCE is just rediculous. Please take time to research this subject before you start a completely misinformed forum.

[Rev. Jamar D. Dodson]

Originally Posted by samfosse

Gravity is not a "wave" or a "particle" it is a force that is caused by the attraction of mass in our universe. All objects posses a gravitation pull but the strength of this pull is proportional to their mass. The "speed" of gravity your asking about is again proportional to the mass of the objects. For instance on Earth the acceleration rate of an object in free fall not accounting for wind resistance is 9.8m/s/s. This is all very basic physics that everyone should have learned in their highschool education. I am astonished beyond belief at the stupidity and ignorance that almost every post in this forum possesses. I can understand why you believe in god. I was raised a christian. But your ignorance towards this proven and easily demonstrated SCIENCE is just rediculous. Please take time to research this subject before you start a completely misinformed forum.

We learn from the Holy Bible.
You "learn" from some book some guy in a lab coat wrote.

God authored the Bible.
Some random guys authored your books.

God created the universe.
Your random guy was created 6000 years after the universe started.

God was there at the beginning and has first-hand knowledge of all events from the begginning to the present.
Your guy missed out on 99% of events and merely guesses what happened.

So in conclusion it seems to me and any rational thinker that YOU are the ignorant, stupid, misinformed nincompoop - NOT US. Sorry, but just because some guy writes a book and claims to have proven something doesn't make it so. You're blind faith in these so-called scientists is no different than our blind faith in Jesus. Well, there is one major difference... JESUS IS GOD AND CREATED THE UNIVERSE while your scientist is just some schmuck God created.

Our blind faith is warranted. Yours is not.

[Pasta Pete]

I agree. Gravity is a myth. The FSM is holding us down with his noodley appendages... Duh.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Pasta Pete

I agree. Gravity is a myth. The FSM is holding us down with his noodley appendages... Duh.

That is patently absurd. Stop posting these ridiculous lies on our Godly forum.

[I_HATE_YOU]

I hate to punch a hole in your argument, but can we please establish that in science, a theory is something that is 99.9999999% proven and right, but can still be changed if new evidence arises.

A hypothesis is what you think a theory is, an idea that is yet to be proven.

[Bob4God]

Originally Posted by I_HATE_YOU

a theory is something that is 99.9999999% proven and right, but can still be changed if new evidence arises.

This does not apply to scripture, however.

It is right all the time, no matter what happens in the real world. So why would you choose to go with what can be proven wrong instead of what can never be proven false?

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by Bob4God

This does not apply to scripture, however.

It is right all the time, no matter what happens in the real world.

You, however, have no evidence to support it. There is already evidence that the Bible is wrong! You're scripture are just myths stolen from older religions. You only believe in the bible because you were indoctrinated into the belief by their families and that's what they you are told to believe. Did you know Jesus was actually called Yeshua Christ? You Christians call him Jesus because Yeshua sounds too jewish, and you don't want Jesus to be a jew, even though that's what he was. Again, you making things up to fit your needs. We scientist don't. We People don't need the bible to teach them how to be good, loving, decent human beings.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

Did you know Jesus was actually called Yeshua Christ?

Don't be ridiculous. Jews didn't use the Roman alphabet in the 1st century and still don't. "Christ" isn't even a Jewish word. Here is a book that may interest you. It introduces some interesting ideas about language:

[PhDAstrophysic]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

Don't be ridiculous. Jews didn't use the Roman alphabet in the 1st century and still don't. "Christ" isn't even a Jewish word. Here is a book that may interest you. It introduces some interesting ideas about language:

Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was born to a Jewish mother, Mary. In the Jewish religion, children belong to their mother, so if his mother was Jewish, then so was he.

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by PhDAstrophysic

Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was born to a Jewish mother, Mary. In the Jewish religion, children belong to their mother, so if his mother was Jewish, then so was he.

Don't be stupid. Read the bible and stop guessing. Jesus was placed inside Mary by God. Mary was only a vessel, not biological mother.

[Levi Jones]

Originally Posted by PhDAstrophysic

Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was born to a Jewish mother, Mary. In the Jewish religion, children belong to their mother, so if his mother was Jewish, then so was he.

Um no. Have you ever read the Bible? The lineage was all through the father. It's that way in both the Old Testament as well as the New.

The idea of matrialineage is obviously a relatively modern invention of the Jews.

No, Jesus Christ's daddy was God. I would say that makes Him a Christian. Not a hook nosed Christ killing heeb.

2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

[PhDAstrophysic]

Jesus was a Jew! Indeed He was - and the Scriptures make this very clear. For one thing, Jesus claimed to be a Jew:

"You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. "(John 4:22).

And Matthew 1:1 proclaims in no uncertain terms the Jewishness of Jesus:

"The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:"

In addition, Jesus showed outward signs of being an observant Jew:

He wore tzitzit on His clothing (Luke 8:43) - and He observed Passover, Succoth and Hanukah (John 10:22).

So, why don't followers of Jesus (Yeshua) practice Judaism?

The Mosaic Covenant has been nullified due to Israel's failure to keep it. God promised a New Covenant; in the Hebrew Scriptures, Jeremiah prophesied about the New Covenant:

31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah- 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

Jesus Christ is the foundation of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:6); Indeed, He fulfilled the Mosaic Covenant, and has rendered it inoperative. (Matthew 5:17).

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by PhDAstrophysic

Jesus was a Jew! Indeed He was - and the Scriptures make this very clear.

More secular lies. Jesus is not a damned joo. He is a blonde-haired, blue-eyed White Christian! Take a look at THIS.

And why would a secular scientician like you care anyway? You've spit in Christ's loving face already!

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

More secular lies. Jesus is not a damned joo. He is a blonde-haired, blue-eyed White Christian! Take a look at THIS.

And why would a secular scientician like you care anyway? You've spit in Christ's loving face already!

I know why Pastor; the atheists wants Jesus to be a Jew so this atheists can GAS Jesus! That's how evil and racists atheists are!