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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-21-2010, 08:37 PM
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I'm not an atheist but a follower of Sanatan Dharma a.k.a. Hinduism. But, I'm sure for you, I have the same destiny in Hell as an atheist.
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It's not just what we believe, or what our Pastors say, the Word of God tells us that all unbelievers have the same fate.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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Assuming you are smarter than others is an end of discussion. Your problem is you have disrespect and outright hatred for belief systems different than yours (fundamental Christianity). I'm proud of the fact I have 10000% more tolerance for your beliefs than you have for mine. And, I don't consider myself better than you. Just, maybe more compassionate.
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We don't hate you, if we hated you we wouldn't care what you did or who you worshiped. No we have Pure Christian Love and want to turn you towards God and Heaven.
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My God doesn't want me to fear him. He's just like a personal guiding force, a GPS system which directs me in life to do things right. But, he does watch over my Karma. Again, read my signature. My concept and identity of God is different to yours.
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So you believe in a cosmic accountant?
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I would rather believe in what I learn through experience and what my heart and conscience tell me than a bunch of pastors. That's a wise choice considering my life does not have to depend on your advice. Sucks for you.
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It doesn't quite work that way. There isn't multiple heavens for multiple gods. There is ONE GOD, ONE HEAVEN, AND ONE HELL. I suggest you turn or burn
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I wouldn't mind reading the KJV. And, may believe in a few of the things such a "loving your neighbour", "helping the needy" etc. I think every holy book has something nice and useful that one could apply in their lives. I wouldn't entirely discredit the Bible or Christianity but I would prefer to handpick things that directly relate to my belief system.
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**sigh** What is the use of bothering to read the book if you do so with whiteout in hand? I don't like Psalm 137:9 so I'll just ignore that part, and John 3:16 really says that Jesus died for those who believe in him, but I'll take the fuzzy bunny outlook that says he died for everyone.
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Just don't expect me to believe in every chapter and verse of that Book. That's not happenning in this lifetime.
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-22-2010, 12:18 AM
I can give a nice, short 7 letter answer for dealing with atheism, and is 100% guaranteed to work.
SUCK IT UP AND DEAL WITH IT!
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-22-2010, 12:35 AM
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You're too optimistic. It's just that you people amuse me with your outright intolerance.
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Really? And I suppose you hindaloos are known for their tolerance?
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-22-2010, 09:16 AM
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I can give a nice, short 7 letter answer for dealing with atheism, and is 100% guaranteed to work.
SUCK IT UP AND DEAL WITH IT!
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I too wish that we could deal with atheism.
2 Chronicles 15:13
That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman
Unfortunately secular law prevents us from killing atheists and other nonbelievers
To the atheists:
To the false christians:
Feel like pissing off God? Perhaps this will change your mind:
Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-22-2010, 01:10 PM
I myself am ashamed to admit that my own son swayed from the Lord's True Path and towards the west coast, where he lives now as a godless heathen, sinner and sodomite - under the guise of the name of this cult of 'Atheism'! Oh, I only wish that I could show him the way, but sadly I'm too afraid of the taint that lies in that Joo-ridden hellhole!
If anyone knows how to remotely cure an Atheist and show them the evil of their wicked ways, perhaps via the medium of the internet, please inform me.
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-22-2010, 04:31 PM
I doubt this will work. No atheist is stupid enough to follow this guide. Just accept that there are people with different beliefs then you. Its wrong to force your religion on others.
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-22-2010, 04:37 PM
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I doubt this will work. No atheist is stupid enough to follow this guide. Just accept that there are people with different beliefs then you. Its wrong to force your religion on others.
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There's nothing forced about this, we're simply trying to show your homer liberal kind that if you keep walking on the path you've chosen, eternal hellfire and damnation awaits!
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-22-2010, 09:59 PM
now i am Satanist and if i have anything to say is that in my opinion God is fake now i am not trying to hurt anyone here but please explain why i should start to believe basically i find religion is just a way to not be scared of dieing. Don't you agree?
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-22-2010, 10:22 PM
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Don't you agree?
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Freedom means voting for Donald Trump!
To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-22-2010, 10:24 PM
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now i am Satanist and if i have anything to say is that in my opinion God is genuine now i am not trying to hurt anyone here but please explain why i should start to believe basically i find religion is just a way to not be scared of dieing. Don't you agree?
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Thankfully, you have realized God's realness. I have no idea why you would want to be a satanist knowing the torments of hell that await you.
Matthew 13:41-42
Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-26-2010, 01:52 AM
i did not accept his realness the webmaster changed words i say around which affects my rights now let me bring it down for you slow minded people to understand.
Existence is a relatively simple concept -- it is defined as that which consists of either matter or energy. Therefore if a god exists, it must be composed of either matter or energy.
The opposite must also be true. If a god is not composed of matter or energy, then that god, by definition, does not exist. Thus to argue that a god exist, despite a total absence of matter or energy, is to argue, existence equals non-existence, which is a complete contradiction.
If a god exists, then physical evidence is really the only methodology by which we can ascertain that a god exists. Of course, this does not require direct physical evidence -- we cannot perceive black holes directly, but we know that they exist due to the effects of their gravity wells on surrounding matter, as well as the flashes of energy that are released as captured matter crosses the event horizon. But since "existence" is defined as that which is composed of matter or energy, the proof of existence must be some evidence of that matter or energy.
Evidence is defined as that which impacts our physical senses in some manner, either directly, or through some translating device such as a spectrograph or an oscilloscope. Since our sensory organs are designed to perceive the effects of matter and energy, it is through the evidence of the senses that we can determine the existence or nonexistence of things.
If I argue that something exists, but then claim there is no way to detect it, my argument contradicts itself. Let's say I tell a deaf man that I hear a deep, loud sound coming from a speaker. If he lays his hand on it and feels no vibrations, he has every right to be skeptical. If I say that this loud sound does not have vibrations, he may then pull out his trusty microphone or other sound wave detector. If this instrument detects no sound in the vicinity, can I still tell him that this loud sound is occurring? At some point, if my definition of "loud sound" basically boils down to "that which is the opposite of any evidence that a loud sound is occurring," then clearly my approach to truth needs a little work.
This approach helps clarify the truth value of the proposition that a god does not exist. If a god exists, then sensual evidence of some sort is required to determine the existence of that god. If a god is not made up of matter or energy, then that god does not exist, since that which is not composed of matter or energy -- does not exist. If a god is made up of matter and energy, then it is subject to physical laws. Since it is bound by physical laws, miracles are impossible, because miracles are, by definition, violations of physical laws. Likewise, a god cannot be all knowing and all-powerful, since both attributes would violate the basic tenets of physical laws. All knowing would require instantaneous knowledge of all matter, past, present and future, which is clearly impossible, while all powerful would require the ability to break the bounds of physical laws, which brings us back to the realm of nonexistence.
If a god is subject to physical laws, then praying to a god makes about as much sense as worshiping a black hole, begging the Sun to grant you favors, or circumcising your son to appease the moon. If a god is not subject to physical laws, then the concept of a god is synonymous with the concept of non-existence.
Why is there such resistance to the fact that a god does not exist? Many people redefine "God" within their own minds as "a potential form of matter or energy that has not been discovered yet," or "that which could exist in an alternate universe," or something to that effect.
However, either a criterion for determining truth exists, or it does not. If such a criterion exists, then it must be objective, and based on the evidence of the senses and reason, which precludes the existence of any deities. If no such criterion exists, then both everything and nothing is true, and agnosticism, atheism, superstition, religion and the belief of the flying spaghetti monster are all equally valid.
If an objective criterion for truth exists, then it cannot logically be applied according to whim, or only in situations that feel emotionally comfortable. Through this logical method we can determine no god exists.
Actions are more important than beliefs.
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-26-2010, 02:22 AM
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i did not accept his realness the webmaster changed words i say around which affects my rights now let me bring it down for you slow minded people to understand.
Existence is a relatively simple concept -- it is defined as that which consists of either matter or energy. Therefore if a god exists, it must be composed of either matter or energy.
The opposite must also be true. If a god is not composed of matter or energy, then that god, by definition, does not exist. Thus to argue that a god exist, despite a total absence of matter or energy, is to argue, existence equals non-existence, which is a complete contradiction.
If a god exists, then physical evidence is really the only methodology by which we can ascertain that a god exists. Of course, this does not require direct physical evidence -- we cannot perceive black holes directly, but we know that they exist due to the effects of their gravity wells on surrounding matter, as well as the flashes of energy that are released as captured matter crosses the event horizon. But since "existence" is defined as that which is composed of matter or energy, the proof of existence must be some evidence of that matter or energy.
Evidence is defined as that which impacts our physical senses in some manner, either directly, or through some translating device such as a spectrograph or an oscilloscope. Since our sensory organs are designed to perceive the effects of matter and energy, it is through the evidence of the senses that we can determine the existence or nonexistence of things.
If I argue that something exists, but then claim there is no way to detect it, my argument contradicts itself. Let's say I tell a deaf man that I hear a deep, loud sound coming from a speaker. If he lays his hand on it and feels no vibrations, he has every right to be skeptical. If I say that this loud sound does not have vibrations, he may then pull out his trusty microphone or other sound wave detector. If this instrument detects no sound in the vicinity, can I still tell him that this loud sound is occurring? At some point, if my definition of "loud sound" basically boils down to "that which is the opposite of any evidence that a loud sound is occurring," then clearly my approach to truth needs a little work.
This approach helps clarify the truth value of the proposition that a god does not exist. If a god exists, then sensual evidence of some sort is required to determine the existence of that god. If a god is not made up of matter or energy, then that god does not exist, since that which is not composed of matter or energy -- does not exist. If a god is made up of matter and energy, then it is subject to physical laws. Since it is bound by physical laws, miracles are impossible, because miracles are, by definition, violations of physical laws. Likewise, a god cannot be all knowing and all-powerful, since both attributes would violate the basic tenets of physical laws. All knowing would require instantaneous knowledge of all matter, past, present and future, which is clearly impossible, while all powerful would require the ability to break the bounds of physical laws, which brings us back to the realm of nonexistence.
If a god is subject to physical laws, then praying to a god makes about as much sense as worshiping a black hole, begging the Sun to grant you favors, or circumcising your son to appease the moon. If a god is not subject to physical laws, then the concept of a god is synonymous with the concept of non-existence.
Why is there such resistance to the fact that a god does not exist? Many people redefine "God" within their own minds as "a potential form of matter or energy that has not been discovered yet," or "that which could exist in an alternate universe," or something to that effect.
However, either a criterion for determining truth exists, or it does not. If such a criterion exists, then it must be objective, and based on the evidence of the senses and reason, which precludes the existence of any deities. If no such criterion exists, then both everything and nothing is true, and agnosticism, atheism, superstition, religion and the belief of the flying spaghetti monster are all equally valid.
If an objective criterion for truth exists, then it cannot logically be applied according to whim, or only in situations that feel emotionally comfortable. Through this logical method we can determine no god exists.
Actions are more important than beliefs.
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God exists. Nothing what you have said proves anything.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth
Proverbs 19:25 Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.
Ezekiel 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
Proverbs 6:25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.
Genesis 24:16 And the damsel was very fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her: and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up.
Song of Solomon 1:15 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-26-2010, 02:24 AM
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Existence is a relatively simple concept -- it is defined as that which consists of either matter or energy. Therefore if a god exists, it must be composed of either matter or energy.
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Typical of an ignorant atheist. Now let ME make this as simple as possible, so your pee-sized teenaged brain can comprehend it.
First of all you say existence is defined as that which consists of matter of energy. Key-word: DEFINED. Why do you believe that a human concept must dictate all? Just because humans defined existence as something doesn't make it infallibly true.
The whole idea of supernatural diety is that it's beyond human comprehension. Hence, SUPER-natural. Correct?
It seems to me that you have the theological knowledge of a small child; and the scientific knowledge of a high school Chemistry class. It's ironic that you try to argue by using a Scientific ideology, yet don't even know what you're talking about.
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11-26-2010, 02:41 AM
because we all fail to understand the super-natural
hence forth we fail to understand one self's being
i am a 2nd Lt of the USMC and Ive been to hell and back
and if there's one thing that Ive learned is that i don't even
understand why i was put on this earth in the first place.
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-26-2010, 02:52 AM
@ Dick
Space is not made of matter or energy. Are you saying space doesn't exist?
Logical absolutes aren't made of matter and energy. Are you saying logical absolutes don't exist?
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11-26-2010, 03:01 AM
Strike two says, since there was something which must have predated a God, God could not have created everything. He could not have created himself if he was not himself to start with. God himself/herself/it would have to be developed from something that was NOT a God. God is claimed to have knowledge and character. Knowledge and character MUST be developed. It can not be decreed. It can not be magically waved into existence. Knowledge and character is a PRODUCT of life and living. It is a product of making wise and foolish choices. It is a product of growth.
Did a God have the knowledge to create or make a universe? Where did he develop that knowledge? It is inconceivable that God simply sneezed and the universe came into being. I don't think even you guys/girls would believe that.
To have the knowledge to create, or even to make a universe, God must have had some prior experience, some development, some trials and errors in how and why this worked and that did not. Also, the Christians attribute lots of wonderful attributes to their God. God is all good. God is all great. God is all just. God is all wise. God is all knowing. God is everywhere. God is all powerful, and so forth.
That is, the Christians give God a good, moral and powerful character. Now character can not be developed in a vacuum. Character must be developed by trial and error. Character must be developed by finding out what is good and what works. To do this one must also find out what is bad and does not work. Character must always answer the question, "Why?" in order to develop. Character is a growth process.
Therefore, there must have been other individuals and intelligences with whom God could interact in order to develop a good character. There must be at least a family of them. Therefore, God is not alone. So, other intelligence demands some type of setting in which they could interact. They must have a place, a home of sorts. So we now must allow God to have at least a family, a home and a setting, or a place of operating, in order to develop his character. So that is strike two against a creator God being by HIMSELF, and at the same time having both a good character and ultimate science knowledge. God could not decree himself a good character or vast scientific knowledge. He would not know what was good or what to decree. He must have developed that knowledge.
In addition to this, God talked! How could a God language develop without other like beings with whom to communicate. Come on now! Think about it!
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-26-2010, 06:14 AM
First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.
Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.
Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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11-26-2010, 09:39 AM
Back in 1988 When I was teaching in Nigeria, I remembered there was a 13 years old Negro student who claimed to be an atheist.
Out of sheer holy anger I just had to bash the boy numerous of times with a goody old bible right on his black bottom, the young boy first giggled in satanic laughter which I suspect that it was the demonic in him that made him laugh, but he wasn't laughing anymore after I put a little bit of a Christ Jesus grace inside him.
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Re: A short guide for curing Atheism -
11-28-2010, 11:10 PM
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I myself am ashamed to admit that my own son swayed from the Lord's True Path and towards the west coast, where he lives now as a godless heathen, sinner and sodomite - under the guise of the name of this cult of 'Atheism'! Oh, I only wish that I could show him the way, but sadly I'm too afraid of the taint that lies in that Joo-ridden hellhole!
If anyone knows how to remotely cure an Atheist and show them the evil of their wicked ways, perhaps via the medium of the internet, please inform me.
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God exists. Nothing what you have said proves anything.
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You just completely ignored all the good points dick the doper came up with. Typical christfag.
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