[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Genesis1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

I would like to expound on this as some people are confused about the nature of stars. We can gather two conclusions from this verse. 1) Stars are meant to divide day and night and 2) They are meant for time-keeping.

Since stars are clearly stated to be designed for human purpose, it makes no sense that they would be millions of light-years away like scientists claim. If God made stars so we can keep track of time, why seperate them from earth by vast distances? Furthermore, if they were millions of light-years away, that would mean they would have to be very, very big -- even bigger than our own sun. No, that doesn't make sense at all.

Stars are simply lights. But they are not the same as the sun, as scientists say because stars are not yellowish-orange. They are white, silvery, and twinkly. I hypothesize that they are actually celestial diamonds that are reflecting moonlight. That would account for their white-silvery light. They can't be lumps of coal like the sun, otherwise they would be yellow. I think we can agree that diamonds would be the most likely choice.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Stars are simply lights. But they are not the same as the sun, as scientists say because stars are not yellowish-orange. They are white, silvery, and twinkly. I hypothesize that they are actually celestial diamonds that are reflecting moonlight. That would account for their white-silvery light. They can't be lumps of coal like the sun, otherwise they would be yellow. I think we can agree that diamonds would be the most likely choice.

Anyone know the light refraction of a diamond? If we knew that we could calculate how far the stars are from earth.

Now this is what science is about, drawing conclusions from sound observations and no wild speculation.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

Anyone know the light refraction of a diamond? If we knew that we could calculate how far the stars are from earth.

Now this is what science is about, drawing conclusions from sound observations and no wild speculation.

This is an excellent question. Well, I have been doing some scientific research on diamonds and I learned that the light refraction is much much higher than space (pure vacuum like scientists claim). What this means is that the speed of light slows down as it passes through a thick substance like a diamond. In pure space, light travels at 186,000+ miles per second, whereas through a diamond it is 77,000+ miles per second. That is more than half the speed!

Knowing this, we can rule out the stars being millions of light years away because a) The universe is only 6,000 years old, and b) diamonds slow down the speed of light, therefore increasing the time it takes to get here. If stars were millions of light years away, the light wouldn't have reached the earth by now. Therefore, the stars must be closer than scientists say.

We know light travels at 77,000 miles per second through diamonds. And we know that stars have existed since the beginning of the creation (Genesis chapter 1), so they couldn't be that far away. Let's read what Genesis says...

Genesis 1
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

So we know the stars were created within a 24 hour period. This means the distance of stars can be no more than 24 hours x 77,000 miles per second. Let us now do some math to prove star distance.

60 seconds x 60 minutes = 3600 seconds in a hour
3600 seconds per hour x 24 hours = 86400 seconds in a day.
86400 x 77000 = 6,652,800,000 miles away maximum.

Over six billion miles away! This is much, much shorter than atheist scientists postulate. But, I want to clarify that this does not mean the stars are six billion miles away, but only that it is the maximum possibility. More likely God put the stars only 77,000 miles away so their light only takes a second to get here. Or they could be only 500 miles away as well. That makes sense since it goes along with the sun's distance.

Either way, mathematics prove the stars are between 500 miles and 6 billion miles away. This is hard science, real science, not the crazy beliefs and blind faith of atheist scientists.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Over six billion miles away! This is much, much shorter than atheist scientists postulate. But, I want to clarify that this does not mean the stars are six billion miles away, but only that it is the maximum possibility. More likely God put the stars only 77,000 miles away so their light only takes a second to get here. Or they could be only 500 miles away as well. That makes sense since it goes along with the sun's distance.

Either way, mathematics prove the stars are between 500 miles and 6 billion miles away. This is hard science, real science, not the crazy beliefs and blind faith of atheist scientists.

There is no disputing the FACTS™ you present here Rev Osborne. Your "Diamond Universe" brings it all together on how the observable universe matches the description given by God in Genesis. I can't wait to see how the secularists try to spin this one.

Have you considered a separate thread for this Godly post Reverand?

[H. Montague Worthington]

We are indeed lucky to have so many True Christian™ scientists here at Landover. I hasten to say that if it weren't for these Godly men of science counteracting the so-called "scientific community" of crackpot Darwinists and Al Gore followers, the United States would fall hopelessly behind other nations in science and math.

[James Hutchins]

Rev. Osborne, you and the Godly Pastor Billy-Reuben have so much irrefutable information.
I went to a prestigious university and studied some science. But I did not study astrophysics like you fellows have. I wish I had as the missus gave me a real nice telescope to gaze at the heavens with but I have not completely figured it out yet. But I digress. I love that you both explain it in a simple manner. No assumptions, just easily verifiable facts. This is why you are such golden men of God. I am always humbled in your presence. I would not be surprise to learn the stars were even closer than 500 miles. I mean, a single diamond, as sparkling as it is, would be hard to see at 10 miles, let alone 500. We ought to ask BibleThumpingBlonde or Talitha about this as they are the resident experts on diamonds. I'd ask one of the joo members but you know you just cannot trust those people.

[Mrs. Rogers]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

More likely God put the stars only 77,000 miles away so their light only takes a second to get here. Or they could be only 500 miles away as well. That makes sense since it goes along with the sun's distance.

Either way, mathematics prove the stars are between 500 miles and 6 billion miles away. This is hard science, real science, not the crazy beliefs and blind faith of atheist scientists.

Amen, Reverend -- your post is Creation Science at its mind-boggling and God-glorifying best. However, I find it easier to think of the stars being only 500 miles away, as opposed to 77,000 miles (6 billion miles defies logic). 77,000 miles is a terribly long distance to travel in one day, let alone one second!

[James Dewitt]

Now it makes sense stars are made of diamonds, when they explode the earth is showered with these.

[DorkHawk]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

The universe is only 6,000 years old.

I stopped reading here. We have proof via carbon dating(Same stuff diamonds are made of) that says the world is well over 200 million years.

[Lisa H]

Originally Posted by YorkHawk

I stopped reading here. We have proof via carbon dating(Same stuff diamonds are made of) that says the world is well over 200 million years.

Diamonds are not made of carbon. Diamonds are dug up from the earth.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by YorkHawk

I stopped reading here.

I stopped reading here.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by YorkHawk

I stopped reading here. We have proof via carbon dating(Same stuff diamonds are made of) that says the world is well over 200 million years.

Now I know you're just pulling your theories out of your own behind. We creationists acknowledge the universe and earth being just 6,000 years old but even orthodox secular science says the Earth is over 5 billion years old. For you to come up with a figure of 200 million shows that even creationists and secularists would not agree with you.

Science is about deducing facts from observed phenomenon, not arbitrarily coming up with random numbers. I think this just shows how infantile your thinking really is.

[DorkHawk]

At least =/= at most. Learn2Fact

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

This is an excellent question. Well, I have been doing some scientific research on diamonds and I learned that the light refraction is much much higher than space (pure vacuum like scientists claim). What this means is that the speed of light slows down as it passes through a thick substance like a diamond. In pure space, light travels at 186,000+ miles per second, whereas through a diamond it is 77,000+ miles per second. That is more than half the speed!

Knowing this, we can rule out the stars being millions of light years away because a) The universe is only 6,000 years old, and b) diamonds slow down the speed of light, therefore increasing the time it takes to get here. If stars were millions of light years away, the light wouldn't have reached the earth by now. Therefore, the stars must be closer than scientists say.

We know light travels at 77,000 miles per second through diamonds. And we know that stars have existed since the beginning of the creation (Genesis chapter 1), so they couldn't be that far away. Let's read what Genesis says...

Genesis 1
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

So we know the stars were created within a 24 hour period. This means the distance of stars can be no more than 24 hours x 77,000 miles per second. Let us now do some math to prove star distance.

60 seconds x 60 minutes = 3600 seconds in a hour
3600 seconds per hour x 24 hours = 86400 seconds in a day.
86400 x 77000 = 6,652,800,000 miles away maximum.

Over six billion miles away! This is much, much shorter than atheist scientists postulate. But, I want to clarify that this does not mean the stars are six billion miles away, but only that it is the maximum possibility. More likely God put the stars only 77,000 miles away so their light only takes a second to get here. Or they could be only 500 miles away as well. That makes sense since it goes along with the sun's distance.

Either way, mathematics prove the stars are between 500 miles and 6 billion miles away. This is hard science, real science, not the crazy beliefs and blind faith of atheist scientists.

Are you serious?

There are a few flaws with this post you have made. Stars are not created over a 24 hour period. It takes millions of years for a single star to form. Even if they were created over a 24 hours period, you calculation is still flawed. You said the maximum distance was 24 hours ago, even though it's clear that stars didn't form yesterday. Your math is wrong, as it assumes the stars were created 24 hours ago, and not over a 24 period. This assumption you're saying that stars are formed in a 24 hours period is nowhere supported by scientific evidence. If you accept the speed of light, which you can do even at home, you can reject nonsensical literal interpretation of the Bible.

We've known the distance to the nearest stars for nearly two centuries, by careful measurement of stellar parallax. If we take for example our nearest star, other than our Sun, it is Proxima Centauri. That's 4 light years away. We know light travels through a vacuum at 186 282 miles per second. Therefore, the minimum distance to any star is:

4 * 365 * 24 * 60 * 60 * 186282 or around 23, 498, 000, 000, 000 miles.

This is more than 6 billion miles! Take in consideration this is our nearest star!

Originally Posted by Brother Harold Porter

Do you enjoy posting here, young man? Thin ice, and we expect an apology forthright.

I only said that because you guys proved it.

Mark 13:2 said "the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in heavens will be shaken."

Of course this will never happen, and won't happen. Why would your Lord say that if it's not the truth? He must be a liar!

[anonebuam]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

Anyone know the light refraction of a diamond? If we knew that we could calculate how far the stars are from earth.

Now this is what science is about, drawing conclusions from sound observations and no wild speculation.

we use parallax to determine the distance of the closer stars to earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax

however, at 1+ billion light years, we cannot measure the angular shift differential to compute the distance accurately. so we have to use other methods to determine the distance beyond that.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Good work, Brother Jim. I always wondered how a star could be small enough that Jesus could hold seven of them in one hand (Rev 1:16, Rev 1:20, Rev 2:1), yet shine so brilliantly in the night sky, and being expertly cut flawless diamonds makes perfect sense.

Of course, now that this news has been broken, I'm certain that the Joos who run the diamond cartel will be hiring out the space shuttle to harvest these diamonds, so prepare for the night sky to become less spectacular.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[mark.porter]

I dont really know where to start on this link i can not say ive read every post, that aside i think i have read enough of the general nonsense on this thread to give me fair ground to stand on.

1. The sun is not made of coal.

2. The sun is a star of small-medium size.

3. Stars are not diamonds.

4. If light travels through a diamond its speed is in no way diminished.

5. The closest star other than our sun is Proxima Centauri which is 4.2 light years=(3,976,366,464,000 miles) away not "500 miles to six billion miles" as is claimed by many posts.

6. If stars really were 500+ miles away we would be able to send out a probe to analyze them and N.A.S.A. would have announced their existence in close proximity to earth.

7. In the quote provided by another by the name of "A Follower" he cites an article from a website: http://news.discovery.com/space/diam...ite-space.html he claims to have taken this quote from the site however if one were to do as i did and enter the site to confirm this one would find that the "star" in question was in reality nothing more than a meteorite.

The quotes:


The version posted on this site:


Researchers using a diamond paste to polish a slice of a fallen star stumbled onto something remarkable: crystals in the rock that are harder than diamonds.

A closer look with an array of instruments revealed two totally new kinds of God-designed carbon, which are harder than the diamonds formed inside the Earth.
[...]
The researchers were polishing a slice of the carbon-rich Havero star that God hurled down to Earth in Finland in 1971. When they then studied the polished surface they discovered carbon-loaded spots that were raised well above the rest of the surface –- suggesting that these areas were harder than the diamonds used in the polishing paste.


The original quote:


Researchers using a diamond paste to polish a slice of meteorite stumbled onto something remarkable: crystals in the rock that are harder than diamonds.

A closer look with an array of instruments revealed two totally new kinds of naturally occurring carbon, which are harder than the diamonds formed inside the Earth.

"The discovery was accidental but we were sure that looking in these meteorites would lead to new findings on the carbon system," said Tristan Ferroir of the Universite de Lyon in France.

Ferroir is the lead author of a report in the new diamond in the Feb. 15 issue of the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters.

The researchers were polishing a slice of the carbon-rich Havero meteorite that fell to Earth in Finland in 1971. When they then studied the polished surface they discovered carbon-loaded spots that were raised well above the rest of the surface –- suggesting that these areas were harder than the diamonds used in the polishing paste.


Just to clarify the whole matter

~Brit
~Jew

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

A shooting star was made of something like diamonds. Thank you for proving the Reverend's point.

[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by Brit9341

4. If light travels through a diamond its speed is in no way diminished.

Who am I supposed to believe?

Refraction Light travels at different speeds in different materials. Light travels at 3 X 108 m/sec in vacuum, at a slightly lower speed in air, and at 2 X 108 m/sec in glass. In a diamond, light travels at about 40% of its speed in a vacuum.

[ConstellationTroll]

Stars are angels, shining light down to earth to expose the sins of man.