[Tool of satan]

Originally Posted by BelieverInGod

I've always known God was there, I've known that God created the world, although I was raised to think that he used evolution to do the job. What happened in my childhood church was that I was told to ignore parts that weren't "acceptable". Well if the word of God is the word of God, then I think anyone who can create an entire world, can keep his book straight.

When I found that there were people who were True Believers, and True Christians, that KNEW the Bible was the inerrant word of God and lived by it, I jumped at it. If you read the Bible as it is written, without cherry picking, it shows how the world was created, why it was created and what we need to do to get to Heaven. It doesn't change.

On the other hand, I see so much bad science out there that goes unchallenged because it fits in with what scientists want to believe. One prime example is the Sokal hoax. Sokal wrote a paper that was nothing but garbage, he KNEW it was nothing but garbage, yet it got past the peer review system and published because it confirmed the modern leftist belief system.

Alright. The contradictions between the physical world and the Bible have been stated, no need for me to get into that.

These forums, this entire section in particular, has a mountain of bad science. You cannot use these 'science' experiments to attempt to prove the flat earth theory because they have flaws and gaps in logic, mostly due to the lack of information. To prevent this, I would recommend the scientific method when attempting to create scientific experiments.

Your message is that Bible is always right and tells us of a flat earth, therefore the earth is flat. Which is perfectly sound reasoning if you accept the first fact. This reasoning would then render this whole section pointless. Why would you want science to prove your hypothesis when the Bible already does that for you?

Also, just a note, the Sokal paper was never peer reviewed by another physicist.

[dumbdude]

I'm curious, where in the bible does it say that the earth is flat? Please share the verse or verses where it says that.

[BelieverInGod]

Originally Posted by dumbdude

I'm curious, where in the bible does it say that the earth is flat? Please share the verse or verses where it says that.

Go to the front of the thread and start reading.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by dumbdude

I'm curious, where in the bible does it say that the earth is flat? Please share the verse or verses where it says that.

Idiot
Isaiah 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

[{Anna}]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

We know the Earth is flat because the Bible tells us so. But for those of you skeptical, close-minded types that flat out refuse to accept the overwhelming Biblical evidence, I have designed some experiments you can do at home that will show you, before your very eyes, that the world is indeed flat, and not spherical as some crazy scientists proclaim. It's amazing how many people blindly believe in a spherical Earth, without ever having seen it for themselves! I intend to change that.


1) Jump!
Now, scientists claim that Earth is spherical and rotating at a speed of between 700-1000 miles per hour, depending on your latitude. This is a very high rate of speed. You can disprove this nonsense by simply jumping up as high as you can. Really, it's that simple. What happens when you jump? You come straight down to where you were. But, if the Earth were indeed spinning at such a fast speed, wouldn't you land hundreds of feet away?

If you were to stand in the flat bed of a truck going 75 mph, and jump straight up, what would happen? You wouldn't fall straight down. You would fall out of the truck. That's because trucks move, the Earth doesn't. This experiment proves the Earth is fixed in space and doesn't move.

It's because you're moving right along with the Earth
Consider if you were on a train moving 60mph and you jumped up:
you'd land back where you jumped from,
rather than landing several yards away
or striking the back of the rail car

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

2) Blow!

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Since if the Earth is supposedly a sphere, it naturally comes to assume what would happen to people below the equator, like in Australia? Since they are underneath the sphere, wouldn't they fall off? This is where scientists come up with mumbo-jumbo like "gravity" and "centrifugal force" to explain away their theories. So, the scientists want you to think that because the earth is so much more massive than people or things, that people will naturally "stick" to the bottom of the earth because of gravity.

This can be disproved very simply. Get a balloon and inflate it as big as possible. It will be a spherical shape. Now, take a piece of paper and try to rip, tear, or cut the tiniest speck of paper possible. This paper represents a human being, much smaller in mass to the balloon, which represents the Earth. Now try and place the small piece of paper to the underside of the balloon. What happens? It falls off!

That's right. Even though the balloon is so much bigger in mass, it cannot hold the tiny paper. So if the Earth was a sphere, no one could live below the equator because they would fall off.

No,balloon has to have a greater amount of mass
Earth was a sphere
Explain sunrise and a sunset?
Why for example sun is rising in New York
but sets in Tokyo?
Or why we can't see same stars from Southern Hemisphere
as in Northern Hemisphere?

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

3) Get High!

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Ok, this one you really can't do at home, but you can do it out in the world. Stand on the ground and look around you. What's the farthest you can see? Maybe it's a building, tree, or mountain. Now, find some place very close to it where you can get a much higher vantage point. (This also works if you're on a jet and about to take off.) Notice how in the higher place you can see much farther? You can see more of the world the higher you get. This shows the world is flat because the higher you go, the easier it is to see over obstacles. At the same time, it shows the world cannot be spherical. Because if the world was curved, the far distance would forever remain out of view because of the Earth's curvature. It would eternally be over the horizon.

If the Earth was a sphere, it would not matter how high you went, you would still see the same thing. Since this is not the case, the Earth is flat.


These experiments are all confirmed by creation scientists as being 100% accurate. If you're skeptical of the flat Earth, why don't you do these experiments so you can see truth with your own eyes.

Yours in Christ,

Rev. Jim Osborne

Horizon

[{Anna}]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Idiot
Isaiah 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Frist Bible isnt prof
and I dont see it
"four corners of the earth" it coul be allegorical
for 4 side of world-north,south,west,east
it doesn't have to mean Earth has corners

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by {Anna}

Frist Bible isnt prof
and I dont see it
"four corners of the earth" it coul be allegorical
for 4 side of world-north,south,west,east
it doesn't have to mean Earth has corners

Oh, Anna, you are drawn to Jesus like a moth to a flame. Won't you just admit to yourself that His love is in your heart waiting to burst forth?

Romans1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

[{Anna}]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

Oh, Anna, you are drawn to Jesus like a moth to a flame. Won't you just admit to yourself that His love is in your heart waiting to burst forth?

Romans1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

No
and would you answer questions I asked

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by {Anna}

No
and would you answer questions I asked

You have had your answer time and time again. We are right and you are wrong because we follow God's word in the Bible. All this silliness over if some man who should be out there siring sons for Jesus measured things right with his tape measure... Well it's a bit faggy, don't you think?

[{Anna}]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

You have had your answer time and time again. We are right and you are wrong because we follow God's word in the Bible. All this silliness over if some man who should be out there siring sons for Jesus measured things right with his tape measure... Well it's a bit faggy, don't you think?

So you don't have answer?
If you had one you would post it

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by {Anna}

So you don't have answer?
If you had one you would post it

I'm bored with answering your silly questions because you have had your answer over and over again in this very thread.

The word of God is the word of God and it is true. How do you decide if it is allegory or true? Some might say Jesus' resurrection and all His miracles are allegory.

So if it were allegory how does that make Jesus special in any way? Doesn't that reduce his message to us all to a mere utterance by a self-proclaimed great thinker? Why in that case you might as well listen to the hate speech of someone like Sam Harris.

No! I'm afraid you are simply wrong wrong wrong and trying to seduce us into the clutches of your dark master, Satan. Are you secretly a witch?

Let every seat of witchcraft in my household be roasted in Jesus name.
Let the thunder of God scatter beyond redemption, the foundation of witchcraft in my household in Jesus name.
Every hiding place and secret place of witchcraft in my family, be exposed by fire in Jesus name.
Let every local and international witchcraft network of my household witches be shattered to pieces in Jesus name.
Thunder fire of God, destroy every seat of witchcraft stronghold that I inherited, in the name of Jesus.
I break down and burn to ashes, every seat of witchcraft stronghold that I have built by my own mouth and I cancel their effects upon my life, in the name of Jesus.
Father Lord, let every inherited seat of witchcraft at present working against my life, be roasted by fire, in Jesus name.

There! Have a taste of God's might and leave this place, screaming for your immortal soul to be saved!

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by {Anna}

So you don't have answer?
If you had one you would post it

Stop being so damn lazy and read the thread before trying to be a smartass.
It's only few hundred pages and every thing has been aswered, multiple times. So again, don't try to blame others for the fact that you are too lazy to read few lines.

[{Anna}]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

I'm bored with answering your silly questions because you have had your answer over and over again in this very thread.

The word of God is the word of God and it is true. How do you decide if it is allegory or true? Some might say Jesus' resurrection and all His miracles are allegory.

So if it were allegory how does that make Jesus special in any way? Doesn't that reduce his message to us all to a mere utterance by a self-proclaimed great thinker? Why in that case you might as well listen to the hate speech of someone like Sam Harris.

No! I'm afraid you are simply wrong wrong wrong and trying to seduce us into the clutches of your dark master, Satan. Are you secretly a witch?

Let every seat of witchcraft in my household be roasted in Jesus name.
Let the thunder of God scatter beyond redemption, the foundation of witchcraft in my household in Jesus name.
Every hiding place and secret place of witchcraft in my family, be exposed by fire in Jesus name.
Let every local and international witchcraft network of my household witches be shattered to pieces in Jesus name.
Thunder fire of God, destroy every seat of witchcraft stronghold that I inherited, in the name of Jesus.
I break down and burn to ashes, every seat of witchcraft stronghold that I have built by my own mouth and I cancel their effects upon my life, in the name of Jesus.
Father Lord, let every inherited seat of witchcraft at present working against my life, be roasted by fire, in Jesus name.

There! Have a taste of God's might and leave this place, screaming for your immortal soul to be saved!

No I said that when it written
"four corners of the earth" that could be allegory

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

Stop being so damn lazy and read the thread before trying to be a smartass.
It's only few hundred pages and every thing has been aswered, multiple times. So again, don't try to blame others for the fact that you are too lazy to read few lines.

OK
You say on what page are answers to this questions
and I will reade them
Questions:
Why for example sun is rising in New York
but sets in Tokyo?
Or why we can't see same stars from Southern Hemisphere
as in Northern Hemisphere?

[Russell Holbeck]

Originally Posted by {Anna}

No I said that when it written
"four corners of the earth" that could be allegory

OK
You say on what page are answers to this questions
and I will reade them
Questions:
Why for example sun is rising in New York
but sets in Tokyo?
Or why we can't see same stars from Southern Hemisphere
as in Northern Hemisphere?

Hello {Anna}. I will try to answer your questions since you seem to not get along with the people here who have answered you many times before. I am not as Bible smart as many of the True Christians™ and Pastors but I will try.

First, allegory is only mentioned once in the Bible and that part is not talking about the shape of the Earth. Maybe you are thinking about parables but that is not the same thing but many people get them confused. When Jesus told a parable He made it clear in the Bible like in Matthew 13:18 which says:

Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

And then He told them a parable about a person who scatters seeds to grow plants. Parables are stories to make a point without coming out and saying the point. You have to think about them.

He told them many parables that day. Later He realized they did not believe Him so as punishment He did not perform any miracles for them. They missed out.

Second, the light does not reach all the way across the Earth. If I shine a flashlight at one end of my yard it does not light up the other end of my yard. Pretend one end of my yard is Tokyo and one end of my yard is New York.

Third, I have never been to Australia so I can not tell you about their stars.

Thank you.

Rusty

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by {Anna}

No I said that when it written
"four corners of the earth" that could be allegory

And you know this because...

If all the bits you find far fetched and difficult to believe are therefore untrue what are you left with? How do you know that's true? How do you then answer atheists who say that find it all untrue because it's far fetched and they have trouble believing it all? What's the difference between them and you?

It's pathetic, wishy washy fluffy bunny nonsense with no faith!

[{Anna}]

Originally Posted by Russell Holbeck

Hello {Anna}. I will try to answer your questions since you seem to not get along with the people here who have answered you many times before. I am not as Bible smart as many of the True Christians™ and Pastors but I will try.

First, allegory is only mentioned once in the Bible and that part is not talking about the shape of the Earth. Maybe you are thinking about parables but that is not the same thing but many people get them confused. When Jesus told a parable He made it clear in the Bible like in Matthew 13:18 which says:

Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

And then He told them a parable about a person who scatters seeds to grow plants. Parables are stories to make a point without coming out and saying the point. You have to think about them.

He told them many parables that day. Later He realized they did not believe Him so as punishment He did not perform any miracles for them. They missed out.

Yes,but "four corners of the earth" could be allegory also

Originally Posted by Russell Holbeck

Second, the light does not reach all the way across the Earth. If I shine a flashlight at one end of my yard it does not light up the other end of my yard. Pretend one end of my yard is Tokyo and one end of my yard is New York.

But Sun is not a flashlight,if Earth was round
it would be day in whole world at same time
but isn't it is spherical
And what do you have to say fo this

It's because you're moving right along with the Earth
Consider if you were on a train moving 60mph and you jumped up:
you'd land back where you jumped from,
rather than landing several yards away
or striking the back of the rail car

Originally Posted by Russell Holbeck

Third, I have never been to Australia so I can not tell you about their stars.

Thank you.

Rusty

But scientists do
and you can't see North Star from Australia
if Earth was round you could see North Star from Australia
but you can't

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

And you know this because...

If all the bits you find far fetched and difficult to believe are therefore untrue what are you left with? How do you know that's true? How do you then answer atheists who say that find it all untrue because it's far fetched and they have trouble believing it all? What's the difference between them and you?

It's pathetic, wishy washy fluffy bunny nonsense with no faith!

I didn't said it is allegory
I just said that it is possible that is allegory
It doesn't have to be

[Russell Holbeck]

Originally Posted by {Anna}

Yes,but "four corners of the earth" could be allegory also

But Sun is not a flashlight,if Earth was round
it would be day in whole world at same time
but isn't it is spherical
And what do you have to say fo this

But scientists do
and you can't see North Star from Australia
if Earth was round you could see North Star from Australia
but you can't

I didn't said it is allegory
I just said that it is possible that is allegory
It doesn't have to be

Hello {Anna}. Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I knew that you were a kind person.

You use phrases like it is possible and could be and many ifs and I can not keep up with all of them and I am sorry about that. I had an accident it is a long story and it does not have a happy ending.

I have read the Bible and there are many times that God talks about things that are possible or impossible so I know that He would tell me if something is possible or impossible.

For instance He told me that people would tell me things that are not true in order to seduce me but they can not do it. I have a Post-It note on this verse because I think it is very important and it is Mark 13:22.

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

This is not seducing like in the R-rated movies but trying to convince people in general. I am not accusing you of trying to seduce me I apologize if that is what it sounds like.

So you see He tells you and me when things are possible or impossible. I am sure He would tell you and me if an allegory was possible in the Bible.

Thank you.

Rusty

P.S. I am sad that Australians do not see the North Star.

[{Anna}]

Originally Posted by Russell Holbeck

Hello {Anna}. Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I knew that you were a kind person.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Russell Holbeck

You use phrases like it is possible and could be and many ifs and I can not keep up with all of them and I am sorry about that. I had an accident it is a long story and it does not have a happy ending.

I have read the Bible and there are many times that God talks about things that are possible or impossible so I know that He would tell me if something is possible or impossible.

For instance He told me that people would tell me things that are not true in order to seduce me but they can not do it. I have a Post-It note on this verse because I think it is very important and it is Mark 13:22.

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

This is not seducing like in the R-rated movies but trying to convince people in general. I am not accusing you of trying to seduce me I apologize if that is what it sounds like.

So you see He tells you and me when things are possible or impossible. I am sure He would tell you and me if an allegory was possible in the Bible.

Thank you.

Rusty

OK,but I personally don't see reason
why somebody would seduce you

Originally Posted by Russell Holbeck

P.S. I am sad that Australians do not see the North Star.

What do you mean by this?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by {Anna}

OK,but I personally don't see reason why somebody would seduce you

That is a very hurtful thing to say. Russell may be retarded and a bit funny looking but I'm sure someone could love him.

You come across as very mean.

YIC

[{Anna}]

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

That is a very hurtful thing to say. Russell may be retarded and a bit funny looking but I'm sure someone could love him.

You come across as very mean.

YIC

No,I meant that I don't see reason why
somebody would want to
convince him(or you) to that what he described here

Originally Posted by Russell Holbeck

You use phrases like it is possible and could be and many ifs and I can not keep up with all of them and I am sorry about that. I had an accident it is a long story and it does not have a happy ending.

I have read the Bible and there are many times that God talks about things that are possible or impossible so I know that He would tell me if something is possible or impossible.

For instance He told me that people would tell me things that are not true in order to seduce me but they can not do it. I have a Post-It note on this verse because I think it is very important and it is Mark 13:22.

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

This is not seducing like in the R-rated movies but trying to convince people in general. I am not accusing you of trying to seduce me I apologize if that is what it sounds like.

So you see He tells you and me when things are possible or impossible. I am sure He would tell you and me if an allegory was possible in the Bible.

Thank you.

Rusty

I'm sorry for confusion