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Jesus Multiverse Theory - The Perfect Solution to "Bible Contradictions"! - 01-04-2018, 06:24 AM

Sinners are everywhere and they're constantly trying to undermine Jesus by referring to apparently "contradictory data" in both the glorious Old Testament and the mind-blowing New Testament. We all know that these contradictions can simply be dismissed as they are impossible (Psalms 12:6). However, these logical minefields remain an obstacle to general Salvation and they must be constantly assessed.

Recently, the sinner scientists have made a huge mistake. They've actually discovered a simple solution to the claims of contradictory accounts in the Bible.

The Multiverse.

Instead of there being only One Universe Created by God (Genesis 1:1), there could be many.
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Another idea that arises from string theory is the notion of "braneworlds" — parallel universes that hover just out of reach of our own
At first glance, the idea is ridiculous but is it? We don't need it but one day, and maybe very soon, the sinners will find ways to observe these other universes and we must be prepared by preparing suitable counter-arguments beforehand. In fact, the Bible says that God can do anything so if there are multiverses, it is now obvious that God Created them all!

Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

This seems to suggest that the multitude could be the inhabitants of the Multiverses all praising God's name. Glory! What does this mean for the "Bible contradictions". It means everything! The "inconsistencies"AND different accounts" simply vanish, because they must have taken place in different Multiverses. I've prepared two diagrams to show how logical and simple this solution is. This breakthrough in Creation Science is based on prayer and Bible Study only, thus it is utterly reliable. The first diagram is about the Old Testament. We can see that God Created two parallel Universes, one is the "old one" with an age as high as hundreds of thousands, even a million years, and the other one is the one that we see around us, Created 4004 BC. Glory.

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As we can see, God can do everything. While these Universes were Created separately, they gradually approach each other and a Big Merge is taking place. This encounter is called Jesus Christ! In addition, some sinners claim that there are more than two accounts of the same situation in the Old Testament. By accepting two Multiverses, it is not a giant leap to accept that God in His Glory (Exodus 40:34) could have branched some temporary detours which we can call with the letters a, b, c, etc. This constant branching and coalescing is no problem for God,and it explains why some sinners see "contradictions" in the Bible.

What about Jesus?! The most abominable atheists are also seeing contradictory claims in the New Testament. Beginning from the parentage of Jesus, they're trying to seduce our Youth away from Jesus. Fortunately, this is easily solved by the "Matthew" and "Luke" Multiverses that, once again, meet at the pivotal point of the Cross. Praise Jesus!

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At the bottom of Fig. 2 we can see how the Multiverses met and then remained together with some obvious bypasses (such as Salvation through Faith only [Romans 4:2] and Salvation requiring Works [James 2:14]). In addition, some intriguing remnants of the former separate Universes remain. We have dinosaur bones that are totally petrified but also bloody, rotten osteological dino remains. We have the Grand Canyonmany thousands of years old but at the same time it was carved by the receding Floodwaters of Noah. Thus, while the observations strongly support the young age of Creation, some lingering reminders of the "old Universe" continue to harass the Believers.

There is no contradiction. Does Jesus support the idea? In fact, He does. I mentioned above the possibility of several branches of these two principal Universes. There could be a Multiverse 2b, or should we say 2-beta, as Greek was the language used to first document Jesus's adventures. There could also be a Universe called "Old Multiverse 1-omega" or Matthew-kappa or Luke-iota, etc., etc. Can Jesus contain that?

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


With this elegant theory we can now counter-attack the atheist swarm and I am happy to announce that I am expecting mass conversions of physicists, biologicals and geologists very soon!


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Default Re: Multiverse Theory - The Perfect Solution to "Bible Contradictions"! - 01-05-2018, 02:33 PM

So are you saying that if we speeded up to match the speed of radiation, such as electromagnetic John 1:4-5, it would resolve into particles? Then what we now perceive as particles would seem to become radiation. Of course if rather than being stretched out the heavens were actually staying the same size but all the dimensions were shrinking, trapping radiation having wavelengths equal to the shrunken dimensions from time to time and thereby seeming to us as new particles condensing as the "universe" expanded, we could expect an accelerated rate of shrinking around the time everything was small enough for a new "particle" to condense. Sort of like capillary action. This would be impossible for us, but could our memories be stored in the parallel universe and transmitted by standing waves in the electron orbitals of atoms in neuronal DNA? It must be there for a reason. After all, when erythrocytes no longer require DNA they get rid of the nucleus. But not neurons. The chemical process passing along axons and dendrites necessarily pass through the cell body so an opportunity exists for electronic involvement in the nucleus. But for Jesus, existing both in the celestial realm and in our universe, all our memories would be laid bare. Have I got that right? Or have I misunderstood you?

Romans 8:22

In that case, rather than there being some particle than which the universe is smaller (now) much as we're told once-upon-a-time it was smaller than a proton so then there were no protons and they therefore existed as radiation in a false vacuum, it is actually the particle (or the dimension in which it's trapped) that's getting smaller and smaller and soon it will burst forth in a myriad locations just as the protons did?

Could all this have happened just a few millennia ago? I suppose the two universes would be like two liver flukes, one crawling around the inner surface of a hose pipe and the other crawling around its outer surface. Time is the length of the hosepipe but only God can make a tree.

I'm getting confused.
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Sinners are everywhere and they're constantly trying to undermine Jesus by referring to apparently "contradictory data" in both the glorious Old Testament and the mind-blowing New Testament. We all know that these contradictions can simply be dismissed as they are impossible (Psalms 12:6). However, these logical minefields remain an obstacle to general Salvation and they must be constantly assessed.

Recently, the sinner scientists have made a huge mistake. They've actually discovered a simple solution to the claims of contradictory accounts in the Bible.

The Multiverse.

Instead of there being only One Universe Created by God (Genesis 1:1), there could be many. … In fact, the Bible says that God can do anything so if there are multiverses, it is now obvious that God Created them all!

Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

This seems to suggest that the multitude could be the inhabitants of the Multiverses all praising God's name. Glory!
I think that the point here is that God created Heaven (where he lives – look on it as a house he built for Himself); he then built Earth and finally, realizing what miserable sinners we are, He built Hell – the third Universe.

God is known as “The Architect of the Universe, and we all know that architects just can’t stop making houses – or as God says “Universes.”
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As we can see, God can do everything. While these Universes were Created separately, they gradually approach each other and a Big Merge is taking place. This encounter is called Jesus Christ!
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Can Jesus contain that?
Jesus can do anything.

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


With this elegant theory we can now counter-attack the atheist swarm and I am happy to announce that I am expecting mass conversions of physicists, biologicals and geologists very soon!
Illuminating – I am glad you wrote it all down.

There are no contradictions in the Bible, I remind myself of the parable of the Three Blind Men and the Elephant in which one blind man says an elephant is like four trees, another says it is like a snake, and the third gives some description of the ass-end – yet all were correct.

The birth – before 4BC, or after 6AD. Well, Jesus could not have been born in “AD”, could he? But he could have been born in “BC” because his presence was kept secret from Herod for quite a while (Note how Herod waterboarded the Three Kings to ge them to inform on Jesus.)



As far as Quirenius was concerned, there must have been another census 12 years earlier – 12 is a good number, because that is how many Disciples there are and the number of months in a year.

The bit about John the Baptist is easily explained – although John said he knew Jesus was “The Christ”, because his mother had told him, I don’t think that he was absolutely certain, because of the female origins of the information – so he asked the men – the Disciples.

I’m in a rush at the moment – I will give more thought to the rest when I return.




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Brother Elmer, thank you for your illuminating explanation. Occam's Razor teaches us to look for the simplest possible explanation, and since we know the Bible has no contradictions, when contradictions seem to appear there has to be a simpler explanation, and your multiverse explanation seems simple enough to me! For example, it did always fascinated me that Joseph seemed to have two different fathers - while being adopted would be another plausible explanation, multiple universes seems much cooler!

This also explains the apparent multitude of Apostles - some of them must have existed in different universes, while the others were somehow present everywhere.

Below, in blue names which appear in every account; in green the ones that appear in the first two accounts; and in lavender the ones that appear in the latter two accounts.

Matthew 10:2-4
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Mark 3:16-19
16 And Simon he surnamed Peter;
17 And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder:
18 And Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Canaanite,
19 And Judas Iscariot, which also betrayed him: and they went into an house.

Luke 6:14-16
14 Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,
15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes,
16 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.

Acts 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.

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1. While the last verse does not mention Judas because this was written after his death, he is mentioned a few verses later (Acts 1:16) and a new 12th Apostle is subsequently appointed in Acts 1:26 - Matthias.

2. It is also possible that Simon Canaanite and Simon Zelotes are the same person with two nicknames - but it would be weird that some writers would know the guy only with one nickname, and the same nickname would be totally unknown to other two writers. Occam's Razor again - the multiverse is the simplest, most logical explanation.
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I suppose the two universes would be like two liver flukes, one crawling around the inner surface of a hose pipe and the other crawling around its outer surface. Time is the length of the hosepipe but only God can make a tree.

I'm getting confused.
Yes God is immense but we of all people can unravel His magnificent intricacies!

Matthew 13:11
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

I do like the liver fluke parable. But we must remember that (in case we need to come up with the Multiverse explanation for heathens) they could also merge and not just twine around each other. Glory!



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There are no contradictions in the Bible.
This is the main point! Sinners, behold!

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And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.


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Brother Elmer, thank you for your illuminating explanation. Occam's Razor teaches us to look for the simplest possible explanation, and since we know the Bible has no contradictions, when contradictions seem to appear there has to be a simpler explanation, and your multiverse explanation seems simple enough to me!

This also explains the apparent multitude of Apostles - some of them must have existed in different universes, while the others were somehow present everywhere.

Occam's Razor again - the multiverse is the simplest, most logical explanation.
Thank you, amazingly clever (for a mere woman) Sister for the Apostle example that will be most useful if we one day have to explain this for the secularists who find the Multiverses. Occam's razor gives even further support to our theory, as the simplest explanation is that there is only one explanation. One God.

Mark 12:32
And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Just one God and only Jesus and the Holy Ghost to supplement his oneness. What could be more simplistic?




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Hmm... I remain unconvinced:

If we look in tabular form:
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We must look to see why both Luke and Acts call Lebbaeus Thaddaeus, “Judas the brother of James when they are obviously the same person.
My personal opinion is that if I were called “Lebbaeus Thaddaeus” I would be happy to be given another name. So why would anyone like me (as the apostles were) call their friend “Judas” – well, it is obvious – who would want a stupid name?

It was the other Apostles (NB Apostles and Disciples are different groups) who gave him that name and they did not suspect Judas Iscariot of being Satan’s servant (Only Jesus knew that) – It must be the case that Judas Iscariot was, like all traitors, good at his job and was friends with everyone.

So is this just a “theory, or can we back it up with proof? Well, we Biblical scientists always find some proof, and here it is. Please note these two paintings, done by completely different artists at completely different times:

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Note how one is of Jude, and the other of Thaddeus – but they are the same person!




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Default Re: Multiverse Theory - The Perfect Solution to "Bible Contradictions"! - 01-07-2018, 02:43 PM

Do you mean that "Thaddaeus" is "Jude" in a different language and used in a different geographical location? Like "Örjan" and "Jurek" for George, etc. Or Imke and Ermintrude?
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Default Re: Multiverse Theory - The Perfect Solution to "Bible Contradictions"! - 01-08-2018, 01:14 PM

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Do you mean that "Thaddaeus" is "Jude" in a different language and used in a different geographical location?
Er... no... the Disciples weren't at a "different location" - they were at the same location, otherwise they would not have been able to see Thaddeus/Jude/Judas and thus would not have bothered to give him a better name.

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Like "Örjan" and "Jurek" for George, etc. Or Imke and Ermintrude?
"Örjan", "Jurek", "Imke" what sorts of names are those? They sound like cries from someone possessed by demons. Who would call their kid any of those?

And if you knew someone called "Örjan", "Jurek", "Imke" wouldn't you give them a nickname?




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Default Re: Multiverse Theory - The Perfect Solution to "Bible Contradictions"! - 01-08-2018, 01:56 PM

I know I'm not being very clear. People from different places sometimes have different names for things, including names, even when they're in the same place. So a French person would still call Germany "Allemagne" even when in Germany, even though the Germans call it "Deutschland" which three words are far less similar than Thaddaeus and Judas, I thought. So if someone from a place where Thaddaeus was spelled "Judas" was present they'd probably continue using Thaddeus. But it would be the same person.

There were some visitors going on about brane theory who didn't seem to sleep or at least not all at the same time and I got rather confused.
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Default Re: Multiverse Theory - The Perfect Solution to "Bible Contradictions"! - 01-08-2018, 05:55 PM

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Er... no... the Disciples weren't at a "different location" - they were at the same location, otherwise they would not have been able to see Thaddeus/Jude/Judas and thus would not have bothered to give him a better name.


"Örjan", "Jurek", "Imke" what sorts of names are those? They sound like cries from someone possessed by demons. Who would call their kid any of those?

And if you knew someone called "Örjan", "Jurek", "Imke" wouldn't you give them a nickname?
Given the constraints outlined by William of Occam, I'm wondering if the Multi-Universe theory stretches the complexity here and that Quantum Mechanics might be more productive. Consider the famous double-slit experiment, and particularly how the collapse of the probability wave can yield multiple outcomes and yet still be consistent. Add to that, we now know that Bell's Theorem has been verified and that the universe is non-local - permitting a quantum entanglement with the will of Jesus.


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Given the constraints outlined by William of Occam, I'm wondering if the Multi-Universe theory stretches the complexity here and that Quantum Mechanics might be more productive. Consider the famous double-slit experiment, and particularly how the collapse of the probability wave can yield multiple outcomes and yet still be consistent. Add to that, we now know that Bell's Theorem has been verified and that the universe is non-local - permitting a quantum entanglement with the will of Jesus.
So it would be better to say that they were all fragments of the same universe? Then physics might be consistent. Any symmetrical group manifest as particles, or fragments of particles, would always be the same group but with different fragments forming a concrete universe and the remainder forming parallel universes. Each meagre population crawling across the inner (3 dimensional) surface of its own hosepipe while the rest bounced and spiralled off the outside surface yet seeming to themselves, of course, inside their own hosepipes?

And we, (one of) the springers around?

But physics is not consistent. The model cannot be true. If it were it would agree with The Bible.
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Given the constraints outlined by William of Occam, I'm wondering if the Multi-Universe theory stretches the complexity here and that Quantum Mechanics might be more productive. Consider the famous double-slit experiment, and particularly how the collapse of the probability wave can yield multiple outcomes and yet still be consistent. Add to that, we now know that Bell's Theorem has been verified and that the universe is non-local - permitting a quantum entanglement with the will of Jesus.
I always see Bell as someone who was an idiot and simply reinvented the wheel. Basically, Bell said that there are things we can never know and although we like to think that doing one action will always result in a given result, in all truth, what happens is that on some occasions it doesn’t.

The reason behind this is what atheists and scientist (who, if they are not Biblical scientists, are the same thing) call “probability” and “uncertainty” that arises out of a combination of unknowns.

It will be patently obvious to even the weakest Christian that Bell stole the earlier Christian Truth that things will continue to be themselves unless God intervenes*. God intervenes because God has Mysteries. We do not know why God has Mysteries – that is the “Overarching Mystery.” The subset of Mysteries, when they are observed in action, are called “Miracles” although so-called scientists would have you call them “the effects of quantum uncertainties”.

For example: Christ turns wine into water – normally, we expect water to remain water because that is God’s general rule* - and normally, it does. But then God, for whatever reason, simply intervenes and wine becomes something else. We cannot know why or when God might intervene but we can observe that intervention after the event.

My point here is that the water turns to wine in real time. And, like Schrödinger's cat, it was in a state of superposition of being simultaneously wine and being water at any time up until the time that the guest drank it.

And so, we have such Mysteries as Matthew saying Jesus’s birth was in the reign of Herod (and that there must have been two years left of that reign to account for the Massacre of the Innocents’) so c. 6 BC or – Luke 3 - during Quirinius’s census 6 AD. Both are true.

If both are true, the Bible is true – and it is. In layman’s terms, Jesus was being born either in 6 BC or 6 AD (and this is an easy mistake to make, especially as before Jesus people counted backwards.) but both are true until observed and the net result is the same for Salvation and the wedding guests – we are Saved and the wedding guests get wine. Neither is “more remarkable" and both are “probable”. If both are probable then we cannot deny that they are possible, and if they are possible, then, as God said it, then we can accept that this happened.

The conclusion is that we should never bother about the superposition of Jesus at any one time – He is God and we can never understand Him. We must therefore accept – but, in the world that He has created, a world of quantum physics, this is the correct answer – there are, indeed, Mysteries.

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flag Re: Multiverse Theory - The Perfect Solution to "Bible Contradictions"! - 01-13-2018, 12:44 PM

A brief summary of our educated discussion so far:
  • The presence of stone tools can be explained in Eden because of coco- and other nuts that can be hard to crack with teeth only. Abel could have later wielded of the the nutcrackers to homicide.
  • The age of the remains falsifies evolution and proves the Bible.
  • Is this Eden or the adjacent land that Adam and Eve were banished into? We cannot tell with certainty as the Jewish archaeologists are clueless. We need more specimens.
The most important thing to remember is that Eden was not left unattended. There was a guardian.

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

If we find the flaming sword and some cherubim fossils, we can be sure that Eden is in the vicinity but also determine if the current excavations are in the Eden proper (if they are West of the cherubim bones) or in the land of banishment (if the are East of the sword). It staggers me that we've gotten so much further than the Jewish bunch without even leaving our offices. This shows the world how much more advanced Creation Science is compared to atheist archaeology.

THIS is what we're looking for if Eden has been abandoned:


This is a RL cherubim.



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