[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

It wasn't until after the vapor canopy collapsed to cause the flood that our atmosphere lost its protection against mutagenic solar radiation, paving the way for harmful mutations.

Thanks for pointing that out. I was wondering about that yesterday.

[SkyRider]

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

It wasn't until after the vapor canopy collapsed to cause the flood that our atmosphere lost its protection against mutagenic solar radiation, paving the way for harmful mutations. Those mutations are what make incest a recipe for birth defects. That's why 2000 years later during the time of Moses, once enough mutations were in the gene pool to cause problems, God gave us laws against incest to prevent that very thing. That's proof of God's wisdom right there.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Hello Pastor, I was confused when I read this post. Is there scripture that says about the mutagenic solar radiation?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by SkyRider

Hello Pastor, I was confused when I read this post. Is there scripture that says about the mutagenic solar radiation?

Confused? What confused you? What is it that your brain cannot grasp?

[Virgin93]

I am not sure if I understand those questions at all. Maybe I should learn more about sciences.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

You're female, it would be most surprising if you understood anything at all. Just follow what your father says and that will be enough.

Now, off you go - you must have some household chores to do.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Virgin93

I am not sure if I understand those questions at all. Maybe I should learn more about sciences.

"Sciences" are not the answer, I assure you. Maybe this short video I recently put together will penetrate that thick female skull of yours.

[Virgin93]

My chores are done already and I am not half as stupid than the average american girl.

And I know that science is not the answer to all, but god gave us our brain, so why not use it?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by Virgin93

My chores are done already and I am not half as stupid than the average american girl.

And I know that science is not the answer to all, but god gave us our brain, so why not use it?

God gave us all the capacity to commit homosexual acts with our own parents....so why not use it?

God gave us all the capacity to murder and cannibalize children....so why not use it?

You can see the faulty reasoning in your statement, but I'm not blaming you for it, rather it's quite a common statement. Ironically, people really didn't use their brains when they came up with it.

[Virgin93]

For not doing those terrible things god gave us not only a brain but as well a conscience.
Therefore it is not my point that is faulty.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Virgin93

My chores are done already and I am not half as stupid than the average american girl.

And I know that science is not the answer to all, but god gave us our brain, so why not use it?

And God gave us grammar, spelling and punctuation rules, as well as a "Shift" key on each and every computer keyboard....SO WHY NOT USE THEM?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Virgin93

My chores are done already and I am not half as stupid than the average american girl.

And I know that science is not the answer to all, but god gave us our brain, so why not use it?

"half as stupid as..." & "American." So, to what level of stupidity do you aspire?

That aside, honestly, science and brains and all that stuff is not necessary for women. Just find yourself a good Christian husband and start producing little soldiers and you'll find your days just filled with washing, ironing, cooking and you will feel completely fulfilled.

I've posted this before, but you may not have seen it:

[Rachael Van Helsing]

[QUOTE=Rev. Jim Osborne;383862]

1. If humans evolved from chimpanzees, why are chimpanzees still around? - So they can periodically be elected president, such as the man who served before Obama. *Ahem* Humans and chimps are not the same, we merely evolved from a common ancestor. Modern day chimps are our cousins, not our ancestors.
2. The Big Bang Theory proposes that everything in the Universe started from something called singularity which is smaller than an atom. How can you stuff everything in the universe in that? It's hard enough to stuff four suitcases in the trunk of your car! - Ever heard of expansion? The big bang was many reactions which led to the forming of our universe. More happened in the first fifteen minutes of the universe than in all the billions of years afterwards. It is the various reactions (eg matter/antimatter reactions) which caused expansion. Oops, also forgot to add that when it comes to a singularity, what can be contained within is nowhere near relative to size.
3. If the earth really revolves around the sun, then why when we look at the sun we can see it plainly revolving around the earth? (And if the earth was moving around the sun, wouldn't we all fly off into space?) Because the earth is rotating on its Axis, which means that as it turns (thus creating day and night) we perceive the sun as in different positions in the sky. It does not actually move. The moon, however, does revolve around the sky.
4. If women were not created from Adam's rib, why is it that men have one fewer rib than women? - This is actually an easily debunked myth. Many christians don't even believe it. We have the same amount of ribs.
5. How do scientists know stars are "millions of light years away"? Have they been there and back? Do they have a tape measure that stretchs that long? - There are instruments to measure the distance light travels in a year - take a look at this:
6. http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/waves_particles/lightspeed_evidence.html
7. Scientists say all our genetic information is coded on DNA. But DNA is an acid! How can you write information in acid? You can write information on a hard drive, but not a liquid! - The phosphate ion in DNA gives an acidic property. but not everything with an acidic property is the same as say, sulfuric acid! It's the properties of said dna which make it building blocks. Information isn't written like with a pencil.
8. People have been wearing clothes for thousands of years. Why haven't our bodies evolved natural clothes that come out of our skin then? - Because wearing clothes has negated the need to evolve further coverings. Not clothes, but perhaps a thicker fur covering would have happened if we hadn't started wearing clothes.
9. If there really are millions and millions of species, then how could have Adam named them all? Obviously, there's not that many species then! (Gen 2:18-22) - Obviously then bible is a myth which was written before people were aware of how many species there were. they only wrote about the things which they knew. Obviously not much back then, eh?
10. If our brains are just a mishmash of biochemistry, how come chemicals like gasoline or bug spray can't think? - Because it is the chemical/electric reactions in our brain which cause it to work. Obviously the same chemical reactions can hardly occur in bug spray or gasoline, now, can they?
11. Einstein said that if you approach the speed of light, time slows down. Once you hit the speed of light, time stops. If that is so, how come light can travel from point A to point B if time is stopped for light? - Relativity says you cannot accelerate mass from a velocity less than light's to a velocity equal to or greater than light's. You can never reach the speed of light, so it is dumb to ask what would happen if you did.

Don't let your science teacher weasel out of these questions! If he makes some stupid comments like "Well that question is meaningless" or "Evolution doesn't work that way" or "You have a poor understanding of science", don't let him get away with it! He is only trying to buy time because he know he can't answer your questions. Press him and make him answer your questions. That's what a teacher is for...right?

Done and done.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

RJO: If humans evolved from chimpanzees, why are chimpanzees still around? -

RVH:So they can periodically be elected president, such as the man who served before Obama. *Ahem* Humans and chimps are not the same, we merely evolved from a common ancestor. Modern day chimps are our cousins, not our ancestors.

RJO: How come then on those "evolutionary charts" it shows men evolving from chimpanzees?


The Big Bang Theory proposes that everything in the Universe started from something called singularity which is smaller than an atom. How can you stuff everything in the universe in that? It's hard enough to stuff four suitcases in the trunk of your car! - Ever heard of expansion? The big bang was many reactions which led to the forming of our universe. More happened in the first fifteen minutes of the universe than in all the billions of years afterwards. It is the various reactions (eg matter/antimatter reactions) which caused expansion. Oops, also forgot to add that when it comes to a singularity, what can be contained within is nowhere near relative to size.

Ah so matter came out of nothing? That is the basis of your argument. So therefore this is evidence of God, as He created something out of nothing.

If the earth really revolves around the sun, then why when we look at the sun we can see it plainly revolving around the earth? (And if the earth was moving around the sun, wouldn't we all fly off into space?) Because the earth is rotating on its Axis, which means that as it turns (thus creating day and night) we perceive the sun as in different positions in the sky. It does not actually move. The moon, however, does revolve around the sky.

Funny how you concede that the moon revolves around the earth, but not the sun. Why would they be any different from each other? Also, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim the earth revolves around the sun and I don't see a single instance of proof here from you.

If women were not created from Adam's rib, why is it that men have one fewer rib than women? - This is actually an easily debunked myth. Many christians don't even believe it. We have the same amount of ribs.

Prove it. Maybe we could cut you open as an experiment?

How do scientists know stars are "millions of light years away"? Have they been there and back? Do they have a tape measure that stretchs that long? - There are instruments to measure the distance light travels in a year - take a look at this:

http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/waves_particles/lightspeed_evidence.html

The link didn't tell anything about measuring distance between stars. It talked about the speed of light. Okay, but the problem with using light speed to measure star distance, is how do the scientists know how old the light is? If they claim Alpha Centauri is 4.6 light years away...how do they really know the light they capture now is 4.6 years old? It is impossible to measure star distance.

Scientists say all our genetic information is coded on DNA. But DNA is an acid! How can you write information in acid? You can write information on a hard drive, but not a liquid! - The phosphate ion in DNA gives an acidic property. but not everything with an acidic property is the same as say, sulfuric acid! It's the properties of said dna which make it building blocks. Information isn't written like with a pencil.

So you admit you can't write information in DNA.

People have been wearing clothes for thousands of years. Why haven't our bodies evolved natural clothes that come out of our skin then? - Because wearing clothes has negated the need to evolve further coverings. Not clothes, but perhaps a thicker fur covering would have happened if we hadn't started wearing clothes.

And yet people still die of hypothermia even when wearing clothes. Wouldn't nature have taken care of this?

If there really are millions and millions of species, then how could have Adam named them all? Obviously, there's not that many species then! (Gen 2:18-22) - Obviously then bible is a myth which was written before people were aware of how many species there were. they only wrote about the things which they knew. Obviously not much back then, eh?

Okay hot shot, how many species have you counted? All the species I've seen in my lifetime, I could name and count.

If our brains are just a mishmash of biochemistry, how come chemicals like gasoline or bug spray can't think? - Because it is the chemical/electric reactions in our brain which cause it to work. Obviously the same chemical reactions can hardly occur in bug spray or gasoline, now, can they?

Simple logic destroys your argument. So how come if I put a spark (electrical) to gasoline (chemical), no intelligence or consciousness results? All there is a huge fire. We could even use a more humanlike example...take a human kidney. Apply 50,000 volts of electricity to it. Will it start to think? No.

Einstein said that if you approach the speed of light, time slows down. Once you hit the speed of light, time stops. If that is so, how come light can travel from point A to point B if time is stopped for light? - Relativity says you cannot accelerate mass from a velocity less than light's to a velocity equal to or greater than light's. You can never reach the speed of light, so it is dumb to ask what would happen if you did.


Obviously, light can reach the speed of light. So it still leaves my question unanswered. Time STOPS at the speed of light. So how could light travel from the Sun to the Earth if it literally has no time to make the journey?

You know the calculus equation D=R x T? Distance = Rate times Time? Now figure out this equation using these variables, Rate is 186,000 miles a second and Time is 0. 186,000 x 0 = 0 (Distance).

Light Speed and Relativity are mutually incompatible. One of them has to go (or maybe both).

[Rachael Van Helsing]

[QUOTE=Rev. Jim Osborne;403394]

RJO: How come then on those "evolutionary charts" it shows men evolving from chimpanzees?

Look at those charts again. It'd show modern day chimps and humans evolving from a common ancestor. Human actually share, I believe it is over 50% of dna with plants! Explain that one, mister.


Ah so matter came out of nothing? That is the basis of your argument. So therefore this is evidence of God, as He created something out of nothing.

- Not from nothing, from a singularity. This original 'pinpoint' was extremely hot and dense. Even more dense than you guys. It's the old question, which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers? They are equal, but compare the size of the lead vs the featherload. Lead, being a lot more dense, will require a lot less of it to make a pound. The density of the universe in the beginning would have been - unimaginable!

Funny how you concede that the moon revolves around the earth, but not the sun. Why would they be any different from each other? Also, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim the earth revolves around the sun and I don't see a single instance of proof here from you.

The moon is a satellite of the earth, the Earth is a satellite of the sun. People have walked on the moon (yes, I don't think that was a hoax) I'd like to see anyone walk on the sun! I notice, also, you can't refute the fact of the Earth spinning on its Axis. You can't. As for the moon/sun thing:




Prove it. Maybe we could cut you open as an experiment?

If you really do want proof, you're free to look in on an autopsy any time. Or visit a museum.


The link didn't tell anything about measuring distance between stars. It talked about the speed of light. Okay, but the problem with using light speed to measure star distance, is how do the scientists know how old the light is? If they claim Alpha Centauri is 4.6 light years away...how do they really know the light they capture now is 4.6 years old? It is impossible to measure star distance.

Maybe you should visit this link instead, sparky:
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/kids_space/star_dist.html
For kids!
And just FYI, some stars we see in the night sky have in actuality already exploded. The light from the explosion just hasn't reached us yet.

So you admit you can't write information in DNA.

I said nothing of the sort, sparky. I merely said that you take the word 'write' too literally. The building blocks of life are contained in dna - but they won't appear as typed word on a screen. 'Written' is just an easy word to explain this rather than lapsing into techno-jargon.

And yet people still die of hypothermia even when wearing clothes. Wouldn't nature have taken care of this?

Nature, it seem, can't cure idiocy or unfortunate events. Look at the people who have died of hypothermia. Would they have died in normal circumstances?

Okay hot shot, how many species have you counted? All the species I've seen in my lifetime, I could name and count.

That's my point. The men who wrote that part of the bible only wrote down what they knew and could see. They'd have flipped out if you tried explaining micro-organisms to them. I can't name all species and subspecies from memory, but I could look them up. They only wrote down that which they knew, and seeing as they didn't write all the ones they missed down at a later date, it can only be concluded that they only recorded what they knew.

Simple logic destroys your argument. So how come if I put a spark (electrical) to gasoline (chemical), no intelligence or consciousness results? All there is a huge fire. We could even use a more humanlike example...take a human kidney. Apply 50,000 volts of electricity to it. Will it start to think? No.

Did you read what I said about specific chemical reactions? The specific reactions that occur in the brain are a far cry from what you're proposing. You wouldn't be able to replicate those reactions, it seems no one can (at least not yet, or we'd have been able to create AI. And as I see no human-level AIs out there, it can only be concluded that the conditions of the human brain can't quite be replicated yet, eh, sparky?



Obviously, light can reach the speed of light. So it still leaves my question unanswered. Time STOPS at the speed of light. So how could light travel from the Sun to the Earth if it literally has no time to make the journey?

You know the calculus equation D=R x T? Distance = Rate times Time? Now figure out this equation using these variables, Rate is 186,000 miles a second and Time is 0. 186,000 x 0 = 0 (Distance).

It is only your perception of the motion of time that would stop if you, a human, were somehow travelling at light speed. Time doesn't stop at light speed, that's ridiculous. If it did we'd have no light, no time, and we'd all be stuck in perpetual pause. Sheesh. Read about the theory of relativity sometime.

Light Speed and Relativity are mutually incompatible. One of them has to go (or maybe both).

Read what I said above

[Pastor Ezekiel]

tl;dr

[Ernest Nut]

The light from the explosion just hasn't reached us yet.

So how do you know it has happened. You're just making it up as you go along.

Shouldn't you be at home, baking for your husband or something.



As to asking the science teacher, shouldn't you be home schooling your children?

[Virgin93]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

And God gave us grammar, spelling and punctuation rules, as well as a "Shift" key on each and every computer keyboard....SO WHY NOT USE THEM?

Maybe English is not the native language of every member of this board. We could as well talk in a more civilized language like German.

[Virgin93]

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire

"half as stupid as..." & "American." So, to what level of stupidity do you aspire?

That aside, honestly, science and brains and all that stuff is not necessary for women. Just find yourself a good Christian husband and start producing little soldiers and you'll find your days just filled with washing, ironing, cooking and you will feel completely fulfilled.

I've posted this before, but you may not have seen it:

I am not so sure if it would be the right decision to make more German soldiers. I guess we had enough of them 60 years ago.

[Captain James T. Kirk]

Originally Posted by Virgin93

I am not sure if I understand those questions at all. Maybe I should learn more about sciences.

Hello, Virgin. My name is Captain James T. Kirk, but you can call me Jim. I have the best damned science officer in the fleet under me, and you can bet he's drilled me with his knowledge over and over again. If you would like, you can come to my quarters where I can help educate you in all sorts of sciences. Perhaps you can even help me with the Captain's Log in return. I'm sure you would be very good at that.
I have a bottle of Romulan ale chilling in the replicator and am eagerly awaiting your reply.

[Virgin93]

Hello Jim,

I think I should be able to learn quite a lot from you and Mr Spock.
Assisting in writing your log would be a pleasure for me.