[Unintelligencia]

God never said being homosexual was a sin. He said using the act of homosexual sex for power was a sin (yes, I know a bunch of people will quote a phrase or two from the Old Testament and say "see, he said..." But you're only allowed to do that with any authority if you read Hebrew, so stop and think before you do). He also never said divorce was a sin. Sometimes people turn out to be hideous, horrible people. There's no reason (especially outlined in the Bible) to suggest you MUST be unhappy and live an agonized life.

Besides, how do you know God exists anyway? Beyond that, even if he does, consider existence, power and the question of evil (Theodicy). Chances are your only clue is a desire, which you've developed into 'belief' which somewhere along the way you decided to claim as "Faith."

Reconsider.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Intelligencia

God never said being homosexual was a sin. He said using the act of homosexual sex for power was a sin (yes, I know a bunch of people will quote a phrase or two from the Old Testament and say "see, he said..." But you're only allowed to do that with any authority if you read Hebrew, so stop and think before you do). He also never said divorce was a sin. Sometimes people turn out to be hideous, horrible people. There's no reason (especially outlined in the Bible) to suggest you MUST be unhappy and live an agonized life.

Besides, how do you know God exists anyway? Beyond that, even if he does, consider existence, power and the question of evil (Theodicy). Chances are your only clue is a desire, which you've developed into 'belief' which somewhere along the way you decided to claim as "Faith."

Reconsider.

Wait, you're saying the Law only counts if you can read in Hebrew?

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Intelligencia

God never said being homosexual was a sin. He said using the act of homosexual sex for power was a sin (yes, I know a bunch of people will quote a phrase or two from the Old Testament and say "see, he said..." But you're only allowed to do that with any authority if you read Hebrew, so stop and think before you do). He also never said divorce was a sin. Sometimes people turn out to be hideous, horrible people. There's no reason (especially outlined in the Bible) to suggest you MUST be unhappy and live an agonized life.

Can you provide a Bible quote to support any of your claims?

Hint: it does not have to be in Hebrew , Aramaic, or Greek. The good old KJV will be fine.

[Levi Jones]

Originally Posted by Intelligencia

God never said being homosexual was a sin. He said using the act of homosexual sex for power was a sin (yes, I know a bunch of people will quote a phrase or two from the Old Testament and say "see, he said..." But you're only allowed to do that with any authority if you read Hebrew.

How about some New Testament? Do you have to be fluent in Koine Greek to quote it?

6:9 ἢ οὐκ οἴδατε ὅτι ἄδικοι βασιλείαν θεοῦ οὐ κληρονομήσουσιν μὴ πλανᾶσθε οὔτε πόρνοι οὔτε εἰδωλολάτραι οὔτε μοιχοὶ οὔτε μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖται

1:9 εἰδὼς τοῦτο ὅτι δικαίῳ νόμος οὐ κεῖται ἀνόμοις δὲ καὶ ἀνυποτάκτοις ἀσεβέσιν καὶ ἁμαρτωλοῖς ἀνοσίοις καὶ βεβήλοις πατραλῴαις καὶ μητραλῴαις ἀνδροφόνοις
1:10 πόρνοις ἀρσενοκοίταις ἀνδραποδισταῖς ψεύσταις ἐπιόρκοις καὶ εἴ τι ἕτερον τῇ ὑγιαινούσῃ διδασκαλίᾳ ἀντίκειται

[Irinka the repentant jewess]

Originally Posted by Intelligencia

God never said being homosexual was a sin. He said using the act of homosexual sex for power was a sin (yes, I know a bunch of people will quote a phrase or two from the Old Testament and say "see, he said..." But you're only allowed to do that with any authority if you read Hebrew, so stop and think before you do). He also never said divorce was a sin. Sometimes people turn out to be hideous, horrible people. There's no reason (especially outlined in the Bible) to suggest you MUST be unhappy and live an agonized life.

Besides, how do you know God exists anyway? Beyond that, even if he does, consider existence, power and the question of evil (Theodicy). Chances are your only clue is a desire, which you've developed into 'belief' which somewhere along the way you decided to claim as "Faith."

Reconsider.

That is be most ridiculous thing I ever read. Yes, God did say in both the Old and the New Testaments that divorce and homosexuality are sinful. You, though, as someone who does not even believe in God, why are you so concerned about whether or not He said or did not say it? Check out Matthew 19, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6 and Galatians 5. As for the Old Testsment, and I DO read Hebrew, (it was my major at University), look up Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20 as well as Deuteronomy 24. Happy reading and may the Lord speak to you personally through His Word and may you repent and be forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by Intelligencia

But you're only allowed to do that with any authority if you read Hebrew, so stop and think before you do).

Have it your way, dear friend. Which part of

וְאֶת-זָכָר--לֹא תִשְׁכַּב, מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה: תּוֹעֵבָה, הִוא.

supports your reading? Besides, you're placing limits on Almighty God by suggesting that He cannot make Himself understood in whatever language He chooses.

[Unintelligencia]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Wait, you're saying the Law only counts if you can read in Hebrew?

No, I'm saying you can't claim an appropriate personal interpretation of the Law if you don't read Hebrew. Taking what others say and claiming it as yours isn't YOUR belief. Unfortunately, most don't understand that, and commonly ignore it. I got told I go "yapitty yap yap" because someone just doesn't like what I have to say and they couldn't develop an appropriate response to what I said.
To claim what I say is "stupid" or "dumb" just reinforces that most don't understand and don't want to understand because they prefer their narrow, judgmental viewpoints and don't want to truly LOVE everyone the way they claim Jesus loved everyone.
No debate = not getting closer to what people here claim to hold dear.
I'm sorry that's the case.
I hold you all in the highest personal regard.
Goodnight.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by Unintelligencia

No, I'm saying you can't claim an appropriate personal interpretation of the Law if you don't read Hebrew.

Thank you for that straw man, dear friend. Personal interpretation of God's Word is precisely what this church is not about. We don't interpret the Bible; we believe in it just as it is. Speaking of which, would you care to answer my question?

[Levi Jones]

Originally Posted by Unintelligencia

No, I'm saying you can't claim an appropriate personal interpretation of the Law if you don't read Hebrew. Taking what others say and claiming it as yours isn't YOUR belief.

So you want us to reconstruct a dead language's meaning, structure, metaphor, innuendo and implication over the thousands and thousands of people who have worked on the translations over the past two millennium. You don't have a very high standard of proof, now do you?

And who might be teaching the classes we would (you assume) need to attend to become proficient in said languages?

How do they truly know the dead language's meaning, structure, metaphor, innuendo and implication? I am sure they would be rather suspicious in your eyes if they studied it and came to the exact conclusion the thousands and thousands of other scholars who have worked on the translations over the past two millennium came to, wouldn't they, Sunshine?

So the question you must ask yourself is, why am I following a religion that I find to be so repulsive? Either believe in it all or don't believe in any of it! We have enough of you false Christians watering down God's Word making us look weak.

If you candy ass queer coddling maggots would get with the program, we could this country back to the way it was. Where we could enforce decent morals on our society.

But no! You have to be all "diverse" and act like homosexuality is okay.
IT ISN'T!

BLACK AND WHITE BOTH TESTAMENTS!

Stop acting like a baby who just found out Santa isn't real and be a Christian!!

[Pim Pendergast]

Originally Posted by Unintelligencia

God never said being homosexual was a sin. He said using the act of homosexual sex for power was a sin (yes, I know a bunch of people will quote a phrase or two from the Old Testament and say "see, he said..." But you're only allowed to do that with any authority if you read Hebrew, so stop and think before you do).

You're the one disagreeing with Hebrew scholars. Are you proficient in Hebrew? If not, you're the one speaking without authority. But if so, please show us how the Hebrew supports your claim that homosexual sex is only a sin is you use it for power. There are people on this forum who do understand Biblical languages, and I'm sure they'd be very interested in this breakthrough discovery of yours.

But I know you're not a Hebrew scholar. Yet there are online resources to assist you in translation, such as the Interlinear Old Testament (check Lev 20:13), the Interlinear Greek New Testament (check 1 Cor 6:9).

It's also important to note that the Hebrew language had been dead for centuries when the New Testament was written, yet the Apostles had no problem quoting from the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Old Testament. So why can't we quote from a translation of the original languages?

He also never said divorce was a sin. Sometimes people turn out to be hideous, horrible people. There's no reason (especially outlined in the Bible) to suggest you MUST be unhappy and live an agonized life.

Moses said divorce was okay (Deut 24:1), but Jesus said it wasn't (Lk 16:18). Matthew goes on to clarify that Jesus meant it wasn't okay unless your wife had committed adultery (Mat 19:9). There is no other exception given in the Bible. But this was covered in the OP.

Besides, how do you know God exists anyway?

If He doesn't exist, how could He have told us homosexuality was wrong?

Originally Posted by Unintelligencia

To claim what I say is "stupid" or "dumb" just reinforces that most don't understand and don't want to understand because they prefer their narrow, judgmental viewpoints and don't want to truly LOVE everyone the way they claim Jesus loved everyone.

First, Jesus doesn't love everyone. He said to the church of Ephesus, "But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate" (Rev 2:6). Second, love is keeping God's commandments.

1 Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

God has commanded people not to be gay and not to divorce. So not being gay and not getting divorced is love.