[Life-Is-Short]

Originally Posted by Jim Farmer

So you are saying that your God exists only in your imagination?That's not a real god The real God exists everywhere - He is ominpresent and omniscient. He is to be feared and obeyed.
Yes you dream about him - because that's the only place your god exists - in your dreams. Indescribable? I bet he is!

Did I say anything about my imagination? Hun, my God is just as real as yours. <3

[Life-Is-Short]

Originally Posted by Jim Farmer

What on earth are you on about now, my little dreamer/hallucinator?

Wait that was actually really funny! I have to remember that for my next book.... (No, I'm not being sarcastic, that was really funny.......)

Sorry, I don't understand your question. I was replying to someone else, if thats what you mean.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Life-Is-Short

Look, I'm not trying to start anything, I am sharing my view. Whether it's your view or not doesn't matter to me. I honestly don't need to listen to snide remarks ("Oh, me too. Don't you just feel that love in the following verses") I was sharing my opinion. It's called the freedom of speech. U.S. Constitution.

Whatever you say, sweetie.

MY God is a loving, merciful God. I don't care if you agree with me, because He isn't your God, He is mine. He lives in my heart,

Have you tried reading what you wrote?
Our God is the God of the Bible - we have evidence of His existence and of His character in the Bible.
Your God "lives in your heart." (Your words, not mine). Since you can make up whatever you want to "live in your heart," therefore you have no evidence of His existence whatsoever.

and I honestly would love if you could see the God I do, because I think he is indescribable.

I would love that, too. This God of yours seems like a reasonable guy. Unfortunately, you have no proof of his existence.

He has so much power, and yet he promises not to use it. (Promise not to flood earth again)

Oh, so you think that God has changed? That He doesn't enjoy killing thousands of people (women, men, children) anymore? Look around and think again. God sends cancer to little kids. God gives AIDS to newborns in Africa. God allows people to abuse (torture, enslave, etc) other people. Have you ever heard of the World War II? Does Darfur ring a bell? Do your realize that every year, thousands of people (including children) are sold into slavery and abused in ways you would prefer not to know about?

How can you reconcile your Mr. Nice Guy "god" with all of the cruelty that God allows and creates?

He sent his SON, his only child, whom he must have loved dearly, to be a human, and to see us--the good, and the bad, and the ugly, and the beautiful. And then He let his Son make that choice. Jesus could have gotten off that cross, if he wanted to.

Uh, God is Jesus, so yes, I'm sure He loves Himself dearly. (Although it sounds kinda weird when you say it this way). Also, His very short suffering and temporary death was part of the plan since the beginning (since the screw-up thanks to God's finest creation, the Serpent - Genesis 3:1). So no, He could not back out. Also, He still enjoys sending millions and millions of people who died without believing in Him (John 3:18; please note that this includes children who died before they could understand religion).

He died for ME, so that I am freed of my sins, the ones I realize, and the ones I don't. THAT is my merciful God. And you can disagree, and you can throw Bible verses at me, and it will NEVER change my view. Because my God? The little I can dream to know about Him is magnificent. He is indescribable. <3 <3 <3

I hope that you'll wake up from your dream into reality, dear.

The real God is not a Mr. Nice Guy. The real God is mighty, powerful being, who creates both good and evil (Isaiah 45:7). He gives blessings to those He loves, and He enjoys sending to Hell those who displease Him (for whatever reasons - not necessarily related to faith or deeds).

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Life-Is-Short

Did I say anything about my imagination? Hun, my God is just as real as yours. <3

Oh, does yours have a holy text, which has been revered on about half the globe for the last 2000-ish years?

Didn't think so.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Life-Is-Short

Did I say anything about my imagination? Hun, my God is just as real as yours. <3

You seem to be having a difficult time settling in, dear. Let me offer you some friendly advice. Step on over to the Introduction section of our forums and tell us something about yourself. We want to know you, the real you, the one who has been hurt and humiliated and found sodomy to be a preferred mind-numbing practice. We can help you find healing dear, but you must let down your defenses and let Christ in.

[Life-Is-Short]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Whatever you say, sweetie.

Have you tried reading what you wrote?
Our God is the God of the Bible - we have evidence of His existence and of His character in the Bible.
Your God "lives in your heart." (Your words, not mine). Since you can make up whatever you want to "live in your heart," therefore you have no evidence of His existence whatsoever.

I would love that, too. This God of yours seems like a reasonable guy. Unfortunately, you have no proof of his existence.

Oh, so you think that God has changed? That He doesn't enjoy killing thousands of people (women, men, children) anymore? Look around and think again. God sends cancer to little kids. God gives AIDS to newborns in Africa. God allows people to abuse (torture, enslave, etc) other people. Have you ever heard of the World War II? Does Darfur ring a bell? Do your realize that every year, thousands of people (including children) are sold into slavery and abused in ways you would prefer not to know about?

How can you reconcile your Mr. Nice Guy "god" with all of the cruelty that God allows and creates?

Uh, God is Jesus, so yes, I'm sure He loves Himself dearly. (Although it sounds kinda weird when you say it this way). Also, His very short suffering and temporary death was part of the plan since the beginning (since the screw-up thanks to God's finest creation, the Serpent - Genesis 3:1). So no, He could not back out. Also, He still enjoys sending millions and millions of people who died without believing in Him (John 3:18; please note that this includes children who died before they could understand religion).

I hope that you'll wake up from your dream into reality, dear.

The real God is not a Mr. Nice Guy. The real God is mighty, powerful being, who creates both good and evil (Isaiah 45:7). He gives blessings to those He loves, and He enjoys sending to Hell those who displease Him (for whatever reasons - not necessarily related to faith or deeds).

Look, like I said. Throw whatever verses you want at me. These are my beliefs. Some people are Buddhist, some are Catholic, some are Scientologists... the list goes on and on. You are.... whatever you are. I am Methodist, mixed with some 'my brother died,' some 'bullied,' some 'depression,' and some 'will to be myself'. If we want to expand, I've got some feminist, some pro LGBTQIA, some amazing parents, and a school with extremely smart people. And you get me, and my beliefs. Honestly, everything will differ from person to person. Because everyone's background is different, ect.

But this is me. So too bad.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Life-Is-Short

Look, like I said. Throw whatever verses you want at me. These are my beliefs. Some people are Buddhist, some are Catholic, some are Scientologists... the list goes on and on. You are.... whatever you are. I am Methodist, mixed with some 'my brother died,' some 'bullied,' some 'depression,' and some 'will to be myself'. If we want to expand, I've got some feminist, some pro LGBTQIA, some amazing parents, and a school with extremely smart people. And you get me, and my beliefs. Honestly, everything will differ from person to person. Because everyone's background is different, ect.

But this is me. So too bad.

Agreed, too bad. I will pray for you.

Sadly, it seems like God wants you in Hell:

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



If you just stopped believing the lie, and just sat down and read the Bible....

I will still pray for you.

[Life-Is-Short]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

You seem to be having a difficult time settling in, dear. Let me offer you some friendly advice. Step on over to the Introduction section of our forums and tell us something about yourself. We want to know you, the real you, the one who has been hurt and humiliated and found sodomy to be a preferred mind-numbing practice. We can help you find healing dear, but you must let down your defenses and let Christ in.

Whoa.....

Who said anything about sodomy? I'm sorry, because you seem like a generally nice person, but that is really, really judgmental. Not just judgmental, but wrong. I happen to have a very healthy lifestyle. Have I been hurt or humiliated in my past? Can you name someone who hasn't?

I'm sorry to disappoint (actually no, I'm not), but this is the real me.

What you see is what you get.

(Well, not the bunny, I don't know who put that there. But its cute, so I dont mind!)

[Life-Is-Short]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Agreed, too bad. I will pray for you.

Sadly, it seems like God wants you in Hell:

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



If you just stopped believing the lie, and just sat down and read the Bible....

I will still pray for you.

If it is your belief that I will go to hell for believing a 'delusion'.... Well, if you're being sincere, thanks, thats nice of you. I don't need it, but if it'll help you sleep better, go for it!

I'd pray for you, too, for the same reason. But I figure God is understanding, and wont send you to hell. He's smarter than us, anywhoo.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Life-Is-Short

...I'm sorry, because you seem like a generally nice person, but that is really, really judgmental. Not just judgmental, but wrong...

Wrong? Wrong for whom? Wrong for your completely imaginary "god" maybe, but right in line with the behaviour DEMANDED from True Christians™ in the Bible.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Life-Is-Short

If it is your belief that I will go to hell for believing a 'delusion'.... Well, if you're being sincere, thanks, thats nice of you. I don't need it, but if it'll help you sleep better, go for it!

I'd pray for you, too, for the same reason. But I figure God is understanding, and wont send you to hell. He's smarter than us, anywhoo.

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Life-Is-Short

If it is your belief that I will go to hell for believing a 'delusion'.... Well, if you're being sincere, thanks, thats nice of you. I don't need it, but if it'll help you sleep better, go for it!

I'd pray for you, too, for the same reason. But I figure God is understanding,

Uh, no. When He hates a person, He really does hate him/her:

Leviticus 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Leviticus 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

Deuteronomy 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 5:6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalm 10:3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.

Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalm 53:5 There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them.

Psalm 73:20 As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

Psalm 78:59 When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:

Psalm 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 22:14 The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein.

Lamentations 2:6 And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest.

Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

Zechariah 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Revelation 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

and wont send you to hell. He's smarter than us, anywhoo.

Of course He won't send me to Hell. I follow all of His commandments, and not just whatever I feel like. I believe in Him, and not in some imaginary friend who lives in my heart.

Seriously, man, WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE for the existence of your Mr. Nice Guy "god"???

[Jim Farmer]

Originally Posted by Life-Is-Short

If it is your belief that I will go to hell for believing a 'delusion'.... Well, if you're being sincere, thanks, thats nice of you. I don't need it, but if it'll help you sleep better, go for it!

I'd pray for you, too, for the same reason. But I figure God is understanding, and wont send you to hell. He's smarter than us, anywhoo.

He's certainly smarter than you! I think this one rides the short bus!

[Life-Is-Short]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

Okay, I feel this was very hateful. I have said nothing against your beliefs. I have said that I don't agree with them 100%, but I haven't said anything against you. I have stated facts about the LGBTQIA community. I haven't said anything that says "you should be gay". I have given facts, because if your going to hate something, at least know what your hating. Speaking of which... 'Jim Farmer' this next bit is to you.... The short bus is not generally used anymore. And when it it, it is used for people who are mentally or physically disabled, neither of which are a reason to be ashamed of yourself for. Nor is it a reason to pick on people. So thank you, and anyone else who has made such remarks, but please don't, because they are ignorant and hateful remarks to make. (Okay, not to just you anymore, Jim Farmer.)

Pastor Ezekiel: (sorry if I spelled that wrong.) You sent me that as a private message, as well. In it, you called me a fool, 'unsaved scum,' an ass, and said that I somehow have demons in my ass. All of this is very hateful. I HIGHLY doubt that I am the first person to get this message. I wasn't debating (although that is fun) I was sharing my beliefs, with complete knowledge that none of you will change your mind or agree with me. Saying I'm insane for it is no different from an Atheist telling you you're insane.

Also, it's not really a private website. You can easily run across it in any google search, and you don't need a password to access the site. If you want this to be private, having a password would be much more effective than yelling at and shunning anyone you run across who has different views.

My only reason for coming on here is to say what I said in my first post; hitting anyone is against federal law. (Someone else tried to say that, and were accused of 'impersonating and officer of the law' or something similar. S/he was just informing you of the same thing I was.)

[Dolores de Barriga]

Originally Posted by Life-Is-Short

Look, like I said. Throw whatever verses you want at me. These are my beliefs. Some people are Buddhist, some are Catholic, some are Scientologists... the list goes on and on. You are.... whatever you are. I am Methodist, mixed with some 'my brother died,' some 'bullied,' some 'depression,' and some 'will to be myself'. If we want to expand, I've got some feminist, some pro LGBTQIA, some amazing parents, and a school with extremely smart people. And you get me, and my beliefs. Honestly, everything will differ from person to person. Because everyone's background is different, ect.

But this is me. So too bad.

Hello, Life-Is-Short. You seem to have a very open, anthropological view of beliefs. I agree with you there: our beliefs are created by our culture/environment, and there are no good or wrong beliefs - each belief should be judged within its cultural context, not from an ethnocentric perspective.

Cultural relativism is great when you apply it to most aspects of culture, allowing people of different traditions to cultivate their customs without being persecuted. However, the problems arise when we look at religions. Most modern religions are mutually exclusive: they all tend to say that "we" are on the right path and everybody else is on the wrong path. In your opinion, how do you reconcile all of these contradictory ideas about God/Supernatural? If you say that all of them are equally right, that's like saying that all of them are equally wrong?...

Also, if there is one God overseeing the world, how come does He permit all the genocide, slavery, and torture done - over the ages and continuing today - in His name by followers of different religions?

I'm not trying to mock your beliefs, I'm just struggling with my own faith. I want to believe in a benevolent God, but why does He allow for so much cruelty in His name?... Does He enjoy when people kill/are killed, torture/are tortured, enslave/are enslaved in His name?.... If not, then why does He not prevent it?... If yes, is He even worthy of our adoration?... Or maybe there is no God at all and we have to solve all of our problems ourselves?...

As you can see, I'm at a very serious crossroads here. What gives you your faith?... Because I seem to have been loosing mine...

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Um, excuse me ladies, but this section of the forum is clearly marked MEN ONLY! Post here again and I'll see to it that you are banned.

[Tree of Woe]

Originally Posted by Life-Is-Short

Look, like I said. Throw whatever verses you want at me. These are my beliefs. Some people are Buddhist, some are Catholic, some are Scientologists... the list goes on and on. You are.... whatever you are. I am Methodist, mixed with some 'my brother died,' some 'bullied,' some 'depression,' and some 'will to be myself'. If we want to expand, I've got some feminist, some pro LGBTQIA, some amazing parents, and a school with extremely smart people. And you get me, and my beliefs. Honestly, everything will differ from person to person. Because everyone's background is different, ect.

But this is me. So too bad.

I am insulted that a very touching wife beating story was so rudely interupted by some sort of twinkle toed, slack jawed, communist, pinko, fag loving, tree hugging, 100% organic soy gluten free eating, satan sucking hell bound sodomite.

My only regret was not getting here in time to cast the first stone at you sinner. I can only pray I am blessed with throwing the LAST stone!

Left wing wierdos call it Domestic Violence, I call it a Learning Tool.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Tree of Woe

My only regret was not getting here in time to cast the first stone at you sinner. I can only pray I am blessed with throwing the LAST stone!

Make your aim count with this precision stone casting sling shot! You might get in touch with Miss Cookie at the Office to purchase one right away. She'll get your tithing schedule set up so this and all your future purchases from LBC Gift Shop come through without a hitch.

[Des]

Originally Posted by Tree of Woe

I am insulted that a very touching wife beating story was so rudely interupted by some sort of twinkle toed, slack jawed, communist, pinko, fag loving, tree hugging, 100% organic soy gluten free eating, satan sucking hell bound sodomite.

My only regret was not getting here in time to cast the first stone at you sinner. I can only pray I am blessed with throwing the LAST stone!

Left wing wierdos call it Domestic Violence, I call it a Learning Tool.

I like this one. Can we keep him?

[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

I remember my first time...when the pastor said "You may kiss the bride" and my wife seemed willing to do something like that.

Lovely memories, that's one golden thing in personal relationships.