[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Captain_0bvious

how do you know if the bible is right? Oh that's right, it's because it says so in the bible.

Of course word of God is true. Everything that is the Bible is true. God said He created world and world is here. He said He created Humans, animals and so on and everything is here. It's 100% accurate on all accounts.
On the other hand, you have no evidence whatsoever that Bible is not true. You only have blind faith.

Jesus wins again!

[Captain_0bvious]

Well choose an account that you say the bible is proven on, and I will prove you wrong.

Also, you are an administrator, correct? Well could you remove my 700 second reply delay so I can respond to you quicker?

[Chewer]

Originally Posted by Captain_0bvious

Remember in the ten commandments "Love your neighbour", and letting me go to hell by not successful convincing me that your god is real is not really loving me, is it?

2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproofe, for correction, for instrution in righteousness"

Matthew 4:4 "But he answered, and said, It is written, Man shall not liue by bread alone, but by euery word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the Heauen, and the Earth."

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his owne Image, in the Image of God created hee him; male and female created hee them."

Psalm 14:1 "The foole hath sayd in his heart, There is no God: they are corrupt, they haue done abominable workes, there is none that doeth good."

Convinced yet?

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by Captain_0bvious

Well choose an account that you say the bible is proven on, and I will prove you wrong.

Bible is true, but if you want to make fool out of yourself, by all means try to prove that holy men of God were not moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Even if we dismiss the fact that the Bible was written by the God, we can also see that Bible is perfect just by reading it. You should read what link in my signature says.

Checkmate atheists! Bible proven as 100% accurate fact by logic!

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Originally Posted by Captain_0bvious

Hang on, I just got infracted because my post to said "I am gay. Happy now?" when that was what it was supposed to say. This is just stupid. Also, how do you know if the bible is right? Oh that's right, it's because it says so in the bible. Circular logic much?

Circular logic?

Premise 1. The Bible says the Bible is right and we should follow it (Psalm 119:105; Proverbs 2:1-5).
Premise 2. We believe the Bible, so we follow the Bible (John 14:15; 15:14).
Premise 3. The Bible says we are to pray and ask God for guidance (John 15:7; James 1:5)
Premise 4. We comply, for which God provides said guidance (Romans 8:16-17).

Conclusion: Said guidance reveals that God and the Bible were right all along.

Sounds logical to me.

I will be praying for your wretchedly dark soul.

With Christian love,

Pastor Ed

[Wide-Open]

Originally Posted by Captain_0bvious

And how do you know that God wrote the bible? Oh that's right, it says so in the bible

Please think for a minute. If someone had made up the whole Bible, from ancient stories, don't you think GOD WOULD KICK TE LIVING SHIT OUT OF THEM? Do you think He would let that come to pass?

Circular logic much?

"Oh I don't believe, so everything you say about God is wrong". Circular logic much?

[LoadofGrace]

Why this continuous appeal to logic, as we all know that logic is Satan's tool for getting the illogical to question God? Every time an infallible proof for the existence of the God of the Southern States is produced, we realize that we could substitute the God of the Pot Smoking Northwest, and get the same answer.
Forget logic and just fear the consequences of eternity in the fiery pits of גהנם.

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by LoadofGrace

Why this continuous appeal to logic, as we all know that logic is Satan's tool

Can you back that up with scripture? If not, it's invalid. You see, everything is possible with God. Everything.

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

[LoadofGrace]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

Can you back that up with scripture? If not, it's invalid. You see, everything is possible with God. Everything.

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

I am not going to use logic to debate you, as that would destroy the premise of my argument. I am only going to ask you this:

Because it is obvious that you could not come to God by Faith, but only through reason, what would happen if, all of a sudden, an infallible argument against God would come into existence?

I know that I would still believe in Him. Would you?

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by LoadofGrace

I am not going to use logic to debate you, as that would destroy the premise of my argument. I am only going to ask you this:

Because it is obvious that you could not come to God by Faith, but only through reason, what would happen if, all of a sudden, an infallible argument against God would come into existence?

I know that I would still believe in Him. Would you?

That is absurd.
No argument, situation, anything is infallible with regards to God.

Because God is Perfect®, all things are possible.

May God haters often use the "What if God was faced with an immovable object?" What mere people fail to realize is there is nothing that God cannot do, even the seemingly impossible. Being nothing exists without Him, nothing impossible can exist either.

[LoadofGrace]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

That is absurd.
No argument, situation, anything is infallible with regards to God.

Because God is Perfect®, all things are possible.

May God haters often use the "What if God was faced with an immovable object?" What mere people fail to realize is there is nothing that God cannot do, even the seemingly impossible. Being nothing exists without Him, nothing impossible can exist either.

Already, your use of logic is causing you to sputter. Your head is trying to help you unravel all of your non sequiturs and tautologies, when all you have to do is use your heart and cower before the awesome might of God an know that the same line that awaits Locke, Lewis, Pascal and William Lane Craig awaits you if you persist in trying to reason your way to God.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by LoadofGrace

Already, your use of logic is causing you to sputter. Your head is trying to help you unravel all of your non sequiturs and tautologies, when all you have to do is use your heart and cower before the awesome might of God an know that the same line that awaits Locke, Lewis, Pascal and William Lane Craig awaits you if you persist in trying to reason your way to God.

Friend, do you have a point or (like so many of your fallen brethren) just like to see you blow it out with smoke.

You asked a typical question of a first year college student, who in his first year of psych, thinks they have the 'world by the tail' and is sure to impress the local bar whore with his cleverness. We get one of you every week, every spring, like clockwork.

No offense friend, but you did not invent a better mouse trap. You did however, get your tail caught in an old one.

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by LoadofGrace

Because it is obvious that you could not come to God by Faith, but only through reason

Once again you are missing the point. It's utmost faith I have in God. As I pointed out before, His word is all we need. Other is just extra. For example I have faith in God and I know everything is possible with God. That is called faith my friend. Let me dumb this down a bit so even you could understand it.

Sun has risen every single day in my life. So it's logical to think it will rise again tomorrow. Yet, I have no evidence for that it will rise again tomorrow, but I have faith that it will. Just as God intended. As you see, logic and faith are not excluding each others out. Besides, as I pointed out before you are merely posting your own ideas about logic without word of God, so they they are null and void. If you say that logic is tool of Satan, you need to back it up with scripture. If you can't do it, it makes you a liar.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Captain_0bvious

Well choose an account that you say the bible is proven on, and I will prove you wrong.

Also, you are an administrator, correct? Well could you remove my 700 second reply delay so I can respond to you quicker?

Request granted.

[LoadofGrace]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Friend, do you have a point or (like so many of your fallen brethren) just like to see you blow it out with smoke.

You asked a typical question of a first year college student, who in his first year of psych, thinks they have the 'world by the tail' and is sure to impress the local bar whore with his cleverness. We get one of you every week, every spring, like clockwork.

No offense friend, but you did not invent a better mouse trap. You did however, get your tail caught in an old one.

Sure, I have a point. I am called upon to Witness, because I love all you misguided heretics who think that there is any path to Salvation other than a Faith that comes from love and fear. I suggest that you think on James 2:10, and ask yourself if you are guilty of breaking every damn law in the Bible, because of your pride in your ability to reason.

Think of Hebrews 10:31. Don't try to reason with this guy!

[LoadofGrace]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

Once again you are missing the point. It's utmost faith I have in God. As I pointed out before, His word is all we need. Other is just extra. For example I have faith in God and I know everything is possible with God. That is called faith my friend. Let me dumb this down a bit so even you could understand it.

Sun has risen every single day in my life. So it's logical to think it will rise again tomorrow. Yet, I have no evidence for that it will rise again tomorrow, but I have faith that it will. Just as God intended. As you see, logic and faith are not excluding each others out. Besides, as I pointed out before you are merely posting your own ideas about logic without word of God, so they they are null and void. If you say that logic is tool of Satan, you need to back it up with scripture. If you can't do it, it makes you a liar.

I am not missing your point. Your point is wrong. If God's word is all we need, anything else is your mind playing prideful games, and I suggest. as I suggested in a previous post, that you read and think on James 2:10, and ask yourself if this pride in your intellect hasn't caused you to be guilty of every sin in the Bible.

You also make the common mistake of equating the acceptance of likelihood with trust through Faith. In your world, if all of a sudden, a coin became two-headed, then the next flip would be heads. In my world, this isn't even a question as God would smite you for calculating the odds.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by LoadofGrace

I am not missing your point. Your point is wrong. If God's word is all we need, anything else is your mind playing prideful games, and I suggest. as I suggested in a previous post, that you read and think on James 2:10, and ask yourself if this pride in your intellect hasn't caused you to be guilty of every sin in the Bible.

You also make the common mistake of equating the acceptance of likelihood with trust through Faith. In your world, if all of a sudden, a coin became two-headed, then the next flip would be heads. In my world, this isn't even a question as God would smite you for calculating the odds.

Son, just what sin are you accusing Mr. Alban of committing?

[LoadofGrace]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Son, just what sin are you accusing Mr. Alban of committing?

I am suggesting that he hasn't thought on Isaiah 5:21 and that he thinks wisdom is the way to God.
I suggest that, as opposed to the words of Psalms 111:10, he puts wisdom before fear.
But anyone who trusts in wisdom and logic specifically breaks 1 Corinthians 3:20, and I quote: "And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain."

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by LoadofGrace

I am suggesting that he hasn't thought on Isaiah 5:21 and that he thinks wisdom is the way to God.
I suggest that, as opposed to the words of Psalms 111:10, he puts wisdom before fear.
But anyone who trusts in wisdom and logic specifically breaks 1 Corinthians 3:20, and I quote: "And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain."

Don't be silly. Of course he has thought on Isaiah 5:21, Psalms 111:10, 1 Corinthians 3:20, and many, many more. In fact, he's thoroughly and prayerfully considered each and every word of the Holy Bible! The LORD has found him to be genuine in his faith, and begat a new creature in him (2 Corinthians 5:17)! This new Mr. Alban, the one who is a son of God (Romans 8:14), a join-heir with Christ (Romans 8:17), is dead in his sin and reborn and glorified in Christ (Ephesians 2:5-6)! Why, the LORD has Blessed him richly with wonderful children, as He promised He would Bless those who are faithful (Isaiah 61:9), so that they would be known far and wide throughout the world as being one of God's elect (Ephesians 1:5)!

Unless you don't believe the LORD means any of this?

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1st John 3:6-9

[LoadofGrace]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Don't be silly. Of course he has thought on Isaiah 5:21, Psalms 111:10, 1 Corinthians 3:20, and many, many more. In fact, he's thoroughly and prayerfully considered each and every word of the Holy Bible! The LORD has found him to be genuine in his faith, and begat a new creature in him (2 Corinthians 5:17)! This new Mr. Alban, the one who is a son of God (Romans 8:14), a join-heir with Christ (Romans 8:17), is dead in his sin and reborn and glorified in Christ (Ephesians 2:5-6)! Why, the LORD has Blessed him richly with wonderful children, as He promised He would Bless those who are faithful (Isaiah 61:9), so that they would be known far and wide throughout the world as being one of God's elect (Ephesians 1:5)!

Unless you don't believe the LORD means any of this?

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1st John 3:6-9

I am thoroughly shamed by my ignorance and submit my sinful soul to God for just punishment.