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Default Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien - 06-10-2011, 01:42 AM

Well that's what you get for actually trying to be a good person.
You get a personal message that says I can not say: stick to the bible and respect others that will make us both happy.

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How is this an insult I'm wondering?

You tell me this forum is for prays to jesus and such. No problem, I can understand that.

But if that is so and you do not wish to have discussions, why do you post an image like this?
It's really an invite for other people to discuss.
And since it has nothing to do with praying to jesus, why is it even here?

I'll probably get banned, this message will be deleted and I will be called an eurotard or whatever words are used,
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I hope other people will respect eachother's opinion.
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Secondly it is possible to create water with hydrogen and oxygen just as it is possible to split water into these 2 substances. Just look up "Hoffman voltameter" it's quite a clever device if you ask me.
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Now there is a certain law that explains where all our water is coming from.
"The law of conservation of mass", it states that every substance in the world can't just disapear.

Thank you for reading this post and have a good day/evening.
When hydrogen and oxygen meet they make water, but what is keeping them apart and preventing instant and universal mass flooding is a "Hoffman voltameter"? It must be a very large device but I have never seen it.

And where is this "law of conservation of mass"? Chapter and verse, please (King James Version only). I know my Bible but I do not remember reading that anywhere.
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Default Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien - 06-10-2011, 08:22 AM

Reading this whole argument it baffles me that all these atheists try to disprove your logic by inventing things like a water cycle.

There is however a much simpler explanation to the amount of water currently on our earth. It explains why we have so much water left over, yet still the world could be three billion years old by your calculations.

Simply put: the earth started off with more water!
Yes, there may be 1.4*10^21 liters on earth now, but when the earth first came into existence it had approximitely 10 times more than that. This means, that in those 3 billion years we used up 90% of all water and the remaining 10% is what fills our oceans currently.

Of course there isn't enough room on earth for all that water, but God himself had a solution for this, which is proven in scripture. Part of the supply of water was stored in heaven:
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
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Simply put: the earth started off with more water!
Yes, there may be 1.4*10^21 liters on earth now, but when the earth first came into existence it had approximitely 10 times more than that. This means, that in those 3 billion years we used up 90% of all water and the remaining 10% is what fills our oceans currently.
Right now, water covers 70% of the globe. So the current levels are only 10% of how much water there was. So you are saying in the past there was nine times as much water? (9 x 70 = 630% Water) That goes above 100% water, which is a mathematical impossibility.

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Of course there isn't enough room on earth for all that water, but God himself had a solution for this, which is proven in scripture. Part of the supply of water was stored in heaven:
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
Wait....so, God was 100% telling the truth about this particular Scripture, but not in the parts where it said the earth was created in seven days? And actually, this verse you quote is part of the verses which assert the world was created in seven days.

See, what you're doing is cherry-picking. You throw out parts of the Bible that you don't agree with, and keep the ones that support your pre-formed worldview.



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Default Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien - 06-10-2011, 08:49 AM

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So before beginning with what i'm going to say I want to state that I am a follower of Jesus Christ as my saviour and I also believe in creationism.
Now we have that clear, i'm going tot say what I think about this topic.

Does it matter for proving the bible right or wrong? No, because there is nothing about it in the bible. This is pure theoretic to prove theoretic wrong...

God just created a magnificant system called the water cyclus. This is how it works and its ingeniusly designed by God. (thats what I believe)

If you dont believe in God i'm sorry about that, but it doenst make you less human in my eyes. I believe Jesus died for us all and His love was for us all. Its up to us to accept Him, but we shouldnt hate those who dont believe it. Remember what Jesus did to sinners? He ate with them, joined them in their houses. Thats the example we as christians should follow. Show the world love and not try to prove them wrong and evil.
I agree with you on all points, furthermore: creatonism and science are not mutually exclusive! When atheists discover a mechanism that is "proven" to work, we should be glad they are one step closer to the truth!
Since all is created by God and God only, they shall once see this truth. Therefore we should encourage them to exercise science and let them find out by themselves: God created all.
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Default Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien - 06-10-2011, 08:54 AM

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Right now, water covers 70% of the globe. So the current levels are only 10% of how much water there was. So you are saying in the past there was nine times as much water? (9 x 70 = 630% Water) That goes above 100% water, which is a mathematical impossibility.
But not all water does have to cover earth, right? Water can cover water as well.
If you fill a bowl halfway with water, the bottom of that bowl is 100% covered. But if you fill the rest of that bowl there will be twice as much water, but the bottom is still only 100% covered, not 200%.

And don't forget, a large part of this water was stored in heaven.

Ps. earth is not a globe, it is flat, remember?
Pps. if current levels are 10%, there was 10 times more water in the past, not 9, because 10*10 equals 100.

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Wait....so, God was 100% telling the truth about this particular Scripture, but not in the parts where it said the earth was created in seven days? And actually, this verse you quote is part of the verses which assert the world was created in seven days.

See, what you're doing is cherry-picking. You throw out parts of the Bible that you don't agree with, and keep the ones that support your pre-formed worldview.
No of course not, God did create the world in 7 days, I just take in to account that 7 days to God are not 7 days to us. Let me quote some more scripture:

For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

[COLOR="rgb(160, 82, 45)"]But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.[/COLOR]
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No of course not, God did create the world in 7 days, I just take in to account that 7 days to God are not 7 days to us. Let me quote some more scripture:

For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

I don't buy this day is a thousand years bull,

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The Bible specifies each day had an evening and a morning. That sounds like a day to me. Also God rested on the seventh day that is why we rest and worship on the sabbeth. Did he rest for a thousand years? Are we supposed to have a thousand year sabbeth? I am not aware of anyone suggesting that a day was longer than a day untill secular scientist started to say that the earth was very old. Then lukewarm Christians started to change the story to fit the secular view. This is cowardice. We should either believe the Creation story or throw it away. The Earth was created around 6000 years ago in six days. That's it. It we give in to one point next we will be saying saying that there was no flood and a virgin can't give bith. It's all or nothing, Heaven or hell!

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Default Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien - 06-10-2011, 11:18 AM

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I don't buy this day is a thousand years bull,

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Oh my Jack, you best be careful what you call 'bull'.
Those two quotes I posted come from the Holy Bible, they are the words of God himself.

Did you just suggest that the word of God are 'bull'?


Psalm 90:4 = For a thousand years in Thy sight are like yesterday when it passes by, or as a watch in the night.

2nd Peter 3:8 = Let not this one fact escape your attention then, beloved, namely that one day is like a thousand years in the Lord's eyes, and a thousand years like one day.
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Default Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien - 06-10-2011, 12:03 PM

Now calculate the other way around. Everyone needs sometime to go to the toilet. On average you pee 2 liters a day. 6 billion people on earth (closer to 7 billion, but let's be generous to the non-atheists). This means that we pee 12 billion liters of urine per day.

According to your calculations the whole world should exist of pee.

I give you guys and girls one free lessons! No lets say Two!

1. they recycle pee, and pee become water! True fact
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Oh my Jack, you best be careful what you call 'bull'.
Those two quotes I posted come from the Holy Bible, they are the words of God himself.

Did you just suggest that the word of God are 'bull'?


Psalm 90:4 = For a thousand years in Thy sight are like yesterday when it passes by, or as a watch in the night.

2nd Peter 3:8 = Let not this one fact escape your attention then, beloved, namely that one day is like a thousand years in the Lord's eyes, and a thousand years like one day.


The scripture that you have posted is quite correct. God is eternal, time does not have the same meaning to Him has it has to us. A thousand years is like one day to God. That is completely different from saying that a biblical day lasts a thousand years.

Joshua 10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. 14And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.

This is clearly a literal day in the same way that creation days were literal days. Or do you think that the Sun stopped in the sky for a thousand years? That's a long time to slaughter all of your ememies.

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Default Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien - 06-10-2011, 01:05 PM

this thread is too genius...
im not an atheist, but water, COME ON...
i learnd at school and SEEN with my own eyes how i make water. if you got 2 gasses, hydrygeon and oxigen, and you burn them, then you create water... its a highly flamable mixture and can only be created if you seperate the two gasses from water or other materials.
the problem with you guys is, you cant get something out of nothing.
for example
there's a god, there's a satan, right?
there is a northpole and there is a southpole, right?
in power, what you use to turn on your computer, there's a mixture of norht and south streams trough the copperwire that will make energy, those are positive and negative...
everything thats created had a positive side and a negative side. if these two are together, there's nothing left.
you guys understand?
water is a mixture of those two gasses or materials, because they can all be frozen. but those two gasses only could be found in the sun too. but cant come to earth, by gravity...
well... the reason there cant be any god in this case is:
EVERYTHING got its natural negative form. in this case there's a LOWER person, satan, who is the negative side...
BUT: positive and negative has to be EXCACTLY EVEN to each other...
so satan is as powerfull as god. what explains everyone got a negative side and a positive side...
in this theory it says even: negative is such important as positive, if you miss one of those, you'll never existed...
and i made it now for all you dumb bro's simple...
if you fight for god's right, you fight even as hard for satans right.
what you wanna do against it? NOTHING!

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When hydrogen and oxygen meet they make water, but what is keeping them apart and preventing instant and universal mass flooding is a "Hoffman voltameter"? It must be a very large device but I have never seen it.

And where is this "law of conservation of mass"? Chapter and verse, please (King James Version only). I know my Bible but I do not remember reading that anywhere.
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here's a site with the picture of it...
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The scripture that you have posted is quite correct. God is eternal, time does not have the same meaning to Him has it has to us. A thousand years is like one day to God. That is completely different from saying that a biblical day lasts a thousand years.
But where does it specify that those seven days are 'days of men' and not 'days of god'? They are both possible. Actually, seeing as God himself wrote the bible, it is more logical that they would be 'days of god' as he'd write from his own point of view.

Also if a day to God can be a thousand years, then an evening and morning can be hundreds of years. So an evening and morning combined would still make one day, yet a thousand years.
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I just can't understand how you can stand so firmly in your faith.

It has been PROVEN that there are a lot incorrect things said in the bible. For instance:

-Bible says the earth is flat - We now all know that its a globe.
-Bible says the sun and all planets orbit around earth - That is also incorrect. Duh.
-The bible says that earth exists for 6000 years now - Carbon-dating has clearly shown that earth is much, MUCH older. And how do you fanatics explain dinosaur remains being found? God just put those there to give us a false idea of earth being older than 6000 years?

I'm almost certain that the image, discussed in this thread, was actually made by an atheist. He knew christians (and perhaps other religious people) would actually take it seriously. Figured he would have a laugh.

Another question, how do you guys explain that only 29-32% of world population are christian? There are so many different religions, why are you (and them too) so sure that YOUR religion is the correct one? The only 'religion' that hasn't been disproven, is complete and absolute atheism.

And the only reply i have relating the actual thread topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cycle
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Default Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien - 06-10-2011, 02:43 PM

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I just can't understand how you can stand so firmly in your faith.

It has been PROVEN that there are a lot incorrect things said in the bible. For instance:

-Bible says the earth is flat - We now all know that its a globe.
-Bible says the sun and all planets orbit around earth - That is also incorrect. Duh.
-The bible says that earth exists for 6000 years now - Carbon-dating has clearly shown that earth is much, MUCH older. And how do you fanatics explain dinosaur remains being found? God just put those there to give us a false idea of earth being older than 6000 years?

I'm almost certain that the image, discussed in this thread, was actually made by an atheist. He knew christians (and perhaps other religious people) would actually take it seriously. Figured he would have a laugh.

Another question, how do you guys explain that only 29-32% of world population are christian? There are so many different religions, why are you (and them too) so sure that YOUR religion is the correct one? The only 'religion' that hasn't been disproven, is complete and absolute atheism.

And the only reply i have relating the actual thread topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cycle
James, you should read some more threads on this forum, they will really open your eyes.

For example there is proof the earth is actually flat in this topic: scientific proof the earth is flat

Also, dinosaurs are in the bible, they excisted, that's why their skeletons exist. They are however not millions of years old, just a few thousand years old. read this enlightening topic proving the t-rex is actually a big pre-flood kangaroo
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James, you should read some more threads on this forum, they will really open your eyes.

For example there is proof the earth is actually flat in this topic: scientific proof the earth is flat

Also, dinosaurs are in the bible, they excisted, that's why their skeletons exist. They are however not millions of years old, just a few thousand years old. read this enlightening topic proving the t-rex is actually a big pre-flood kangaroo
Is nice to see you are here for learn - how you discovered these topics? From fACEBOOK?

Read more. I think you willl learn like me too.

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But where does it specify that those seven days are 'days of men' and not 'days of god'? They are both possible. Actually, seeing as God himself wrote the bible, it is more logical that they would be 'days of god' as he'd write from his own point of view.

Also if a day to God can be a thousand years, then an evening and morning can be hundreds of years. So an evening and morning combined would still make one day, yet a thousand years.
There is no such thing as a 'day of God' or a 'day of man', there is just a day. A thousand year day is just some bull***t idea to make God's word fit secular ideas. An evening and a morning cannot be hundreds of years. The definition of a morning is when the Sun has just risen. In a hundred years the Sun would have orbited the Earth roughly 36,500, how can that be a morning??

Your quoted scripture does not say that a day is a thousand years. It clearly just means that God is timeless and a thousand years to Him is like a day to us.

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Default Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien - 06-10-2011, 04:11 PM

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There is no such thing as a 'day of God' or a 'day of man', there is just a day. A thousand year day is just some bull***t idea to make God's word fit secular ideas. An evening and a morning cannot be hundreds of years. The definition of a morning is when the Sun has just risen. In a hundred years the Sun would have orbited the Earth roughly 36,500, how can that be a morning??

Your quoted scripture does not say that a day is a thousand years. It clearly just means that God is timeless and a thousand years to Him is like a day to us.

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Well then it's not really that impressive that God created earth in 7 days is it?
I mean it looks like 7 days to us, but for him it was like several thousands of years.


But read the second part in the quote (in bold):
2nd Peter 3:8 = Let not this one fact escape your attention then, beloved, namely that one day is like a thousand years in the Lord's eyes, and a thousand years like one day.

So a thousand years is like one day in the Lord's eyes, right?
So if God sees something happening over a thousand years, in his eyes it all happened in just one day.
God then writes this down in his Holy Bible, he writes one day, because to him it was only one day. But for us it was a thousand years.

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Default Re: Homeschool Science Lessons: Proving atheists wrong with scien - 06-10-2011, 04:13 PM

@ Beertyah & Maria Galvez

You MUST be joking? Whoa, I am absolutely stunned by your theory.

Do you seriously believe that the earth is flat, just because the bible says so?
Have you never been in an airplane? You can clearly see the curving of the earth. Also how do you explain different time zones? Satellites orbit the earth, the exact height and speed at which these satellites fly are calculated, assuming the earth is a sphere. The pictures you showed are obviously photoshopped. The reason why it took Europeans so long to discover the American continent is because they thought they would fall of the earth, hence why Christopher Columbus took people who were sentenced to death with him - everybody else was too scared!
Ask any military sniper; when shooting at VERY long ranges they actually have to take the curving of the earth into account: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect
The reason why people don't fall off the earth in Australia (How are you so sure that Australia would be the down-side of the earth any way??) is because the earth's centre has a gravitational force. It pulls everything towards it.
The image also shows that the moon is flat, just google images of the moon. You can clearly see that the pattern of craters and shadows is different every time. You know why? Because it's a sphere and you see a slightly different side of it every time!

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Well then it's not really that impressive that God created earth in 7 days is it?
I mean it looks like 7 days to us, but for him it was like several thousands of years.

But read the second part in the quote (in bold):
2nd Peter 3:8 = Let not this one fact escape your attention then, beloved, namely that one day is like a thousand years in the Lord's eyes, and a thousand years like one day.

So a thousand years is like one day in the Lord's eyes, right?
So if God sees something happening over a thousand years, in his eyes it all happened in just one day.
God then writes this down in his Holy Bible, he writes one day, because to him it was only one day. But for us it was a thousand years.

God wrote the whole Bible, are you suggesting that every reference to a day was a thousand years? Or just the references that happen to fit your world view? As I asked previously, was Joshua's battle over a literal day. Using your logic it lasted a thousand years.
Did Jesus rise after three days or did He rise after three thousand years. Quite clearly biblical references to a day are a day. Do you have of any other references in the Bible where you think that a day refers to a millennium? Or is it just conveniently the creation story where lukewarm Christians use this little theory.

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