[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

How about the one that has been around the longest. Like 2000 years?

Depends on how you count tradition.
The Catholic church as we know it only dates from the Constantine the Great in 313AD. However the Catholics can rightfully claim as Pontifex Maximus (Chief bridge inspector of Rome and pagan high priest) that their tradition goes back at lest 387 years before Christ! Which seems rather appropriate for the Catholics to claim to trump Jesus.

Well you Catholics got us there, we only can trace ourselves back to Christ.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

How about the one that has been around the longest. Like 2000 years?

How about the one that doesn't contradict what the Bible says about Our Lord's one-time sacrifice?

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

How about the one that has been around the longest. Like 2000 years?

Well, mine has indeed been around the longest.

But suppose it's not. The Jews had an oral law. Were they following it perfectly when Jesus returned 1000 years after Moses? Or did Jesus condemn them for obeying the traditions of men?

And, if we are going by dates, they are plenty of pagan religions that are older than yours and have existed continually. Does that mean Hinduism is the one true faith?

[BelieverInGod]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

Depends on how you count tradition.
The Catholic church as we know it only dates from the Constantine the Great in 313AD. However the Catholics can rightfully claim as Pontifex Maximus (Chief bridge inspector of Rome and pagan high priest) that their tradition goes back at lest 387 years before Christ! Which seems rather appropriate for the Catholics to claim to trump Jesus.

Well you Catholics got us there, we only can trace ourselves back to Christ.

Well when you look at it all Constantine did was take the Roman paganism and slap Christian names on it. Hence Mary worship is no more than worship of Juno with a name change. Both are even referred to as "Queen of Heaven"

Don't believe me? Here's some quotes from your own Popes....

http://www.craom.net/roman-catholic-mary-worship.htm

1. Pope Benedict XV, in 1918 – “Mary suffered with Christ and nearly died with Him when He died, thus she may rightly be said to have redeemed the human race with Christ.”


2. Pope Pius XI, in 1923 – “The virgin of sorrows shared the work of redemption with Jesus Christ.”


3. Pope Leo XIII, in 1891 – “No one can approach Christ except through His mother.”


4. The Catechism, in the Sunday Missal (Catholic Catechism) says, “My salvation depends on Mary’s mediation and union with Christ, because of her exalted position as Mediatrix of all grace.”


5. Vatican II, said, “Mary’s intercession continues to win for us the gift of eternal salvation.”

[The Cantabrian]

Originally Posted by Heathen_Basher

Well, mine has indeed been around the longest.

But suppose it's not. The Jews had an oral law. Were they following it perfectly when Jesus returned 1000 years after Moses? Or did Jesus condemn them for obeying the traditions of men?

And, if we are going by dates, they are plenty of pagan religions that are older than yours and have existed continually. Does that mean Hinduism is the one true faith?

Fact remains the Catholic church is the oldest Christian denomination in the world, and the popes have a rightful place in scripture for interpretation and leadership - Matthew 16:18.

Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters

How about the one that doesn't contradict what the Bible says about Our Lord's one-time sacrifice?

We catholics do not contradict that teaching. You are misinformed my friend.

Originally Posted by BelieverInGod

Well when you look at it all Constantine did was take the Roman paganism and slap Christian names on it. Hence Mary worship is no more than worship of Juno with a name change. Both are even referred to as "Queen of Heaven"

Don't believe me? Here's some quotes from your own Popes....

http://www.craom.net/roman-catholic-mary-worship.htm

Hmmm interesting "source" shall we say.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

Fact remains the Catholic church is the oldest Christian denomination in the world, and the popes have a rightful place in scripture for interpretation and leadership - Matthew 16:18.

Tell me what that verse has to do with the succession of the popes, as opposed to Peter himself.

We catholics do not contradict that teaching. You are misinformed my friend.

Then explain this. The Catechism of the Catholic Church clearly states that the Eucharist is a sacrifice and is the same sacrifice as Christ's sacrifice on the Cross. How is it not a contradiction to state that a sacrifice that was done once for all is done during every Mass?

Hmmm interesting "source" shall we say.

But can you refute it?

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

Fact remains the Catholic church is the oldest Christian denomination in the world, and the popes have a rightful place in scripture for interpretation and leadership - Matthew 16:18.

No. My church is the oldest Christian denomination in the world, and the popes have no rightful place at all, especially considering Jesus gave the same power of Matthew 16 to ALL the Apostles

Matthew 18:1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"

This sets off a long sermon by Our Lord to the Twelve, where he also says...

Matthew 18: 18"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

See, that's the same power He bestowed on Peter, in fact, He bestowed on all of them. The entire sermon of Matthew 18, in fact, contradicts the idea that Peter is in anyway above the others. He also gave them all the power in John 20:23.

Hmmm interesting "source" shall we say.

The source may be anti-Catholic, but the quotes are accurate. Here, I'll so you the same quotes from secular sources:

Quote 1. Pope Benedict wrote this in Inter Soldalica, March 22, 1918, on page 181. It is quoted and cited here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XV#Mariology

Quote 2. Pope Pius X wrote this in Encyclical: Ad Diem Illum. It is quote on this CATHOLIC website: http://catholicexchange.com/2007/05/23/97556/

Quote 3. Pope Leo XII wrote this in Encyclical : Octobri Mense.It is even quoted in this CATHOLIC website: http://catholicexchange.com/2007/05/23/97556/

Quote 4. The Catechism does say that, In Part One, Section Two, Chapter 3, Article Nine, Paragraph Six. You can read it here: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p6.htm#963

Quote 5. Vatican II did say that. It is even affirmed as being a true quote on this CATHOLIC website: http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmes...&Pgnu=1&recnu=