[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

There is no evidence that homosexuality and paedophilia are more prevalent in catholicism than in other churches. There have been more incidents of other churchmen, including baptists, being involved in these activities. How about this sodomite?

So please do not tar all with one brush! If the report says 4% of priests have been involved in the abuse, please remember that this means 96% are not (the vast VAST majority).

Technically, pedophilia is just as common in the Catholic priesthood as it is in the general public. But the rape of post pubescent minors is three times as high.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

There is no evidence that homosexuality and paedophilia are more prevalent in catholicism than in other churches. There have been more incidents of other churchmen, including baptists, being involved in these activities. How about this sodomite?

So please do not tar all with one brush! If the report says 4% of priests have been involved in the abuse, please remember that this means 96% are not (the vast VAST majority).

You damned lying idiot

The issue is NOT how many priests molests children

It is why Catholics like YOU cover up for them.

Asshole.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

There is no evidence that homosexuality and paedophilia are more prevalent in catholicism than in other churches. There have been more incidents of other churchmen, including baptists, being involved in these activities. How about this sodomite?

So please do not tar all with one brush! If the report says 4% of priests have been involved in the abuse, please remember that this means 96% are not (the vast VAST majority).

Any percentage greater than 0% should not be tolerated. The Bible is very specific on this. If your 'priests' actually followed the Bible, they (and you) would know this.
Any man of the cloth is to be held to a higher level of responsibility than a parishioner. A Church elder is to be a man that can be trusted without question.
Son, there is no excuse, there is no forgiveness for supporting these homo-pedophiles.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

There is no evidence that homosexuality and paedophilia are more prevalent in catholicism than in other churches. There have been more incidents of other churchmen, including baptists, being involved in these activities. How about this sodomite?

How many Baptist pastors can you find who, if found to be sodomites diddling little boys, have had their crimes hushed up as they've been moved from church to church where they could continue to destroy even more young lives?
One thing you papists continue to conveniently overlook is that the outrage isn't just about "priests" who are taking advantage of their authority within your "church" to bugger children. It's also about the vast conspiracy of silence and the continued opportunities provided to those "priests" to bugger children who would otherwise have remained blissfully unsodomized had these "priests" been turned into the proper authorities in the first place.

[The Cantabrian]

Originally Posted by Robert Jones

The 4% is only the number of priests who have been accused of sexual abuse. The number of actual cases is unknown because the abuse has been covered up over the years. For a religion that requires celibacy amongst it's priests, the prevalence of unchecked sexual urges, resulting in abuse and homosexuality, is bound to occur. Has a study ever been done to investigate whether cases of pedophilia are more common in Catholic churches than non-catholic churches? Can you find a single case of sexual abuse in a True Christian™ church, I think not.

I do not know of any such studies, but your church is baptist and I earlier posted a link to the case of a baptist sodomite. You must also remember that the catholic church is the biggest of any christian denominations so there may be more rogues in their ranks numerically, but not necessarily proportionately.

Originally Posted by Levi Jones

The population of Dresden during WWII was 625,000. 25,000 were killed through the allied firebombing campaign or 4% of the population.

You had an equal chance of dying in that conflict as being molested by a catholic priest in the USA.

What of the catlick church's refusal to follow the Word of God concerning marriage? What of Paul's prophecy which came to pass in the catholic church?

St. Paul clearly teaches in I Corinthians 7:7–8 that chastity is a superior state, and Matthew 19 tells of many men who renounce marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Our priests follow the examples of Christ and His apostles, none of whom were married.

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

You damned lying idiot

The issue is NOT how many priests molests children

It is why Catholics like YOU cover up for them.

Asshole.

OK, bro, time out and calm down! Maybe have some brandy or something. You seem like a very angry man.

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Any percentage greater than 0% should not be tolerated. The Bible is very specific on this. If your 'priests' actually followed the Bible, they (and you) would know this.
Any man of the cloth is to be held to a higher level of responsibility than a parishioner. A Church elder is to be a man that can be trusted without question.
Son, there is no excuse, there is no forgiveness for supporting these homo-pedophiles.

Hi James, we catholics have not tolerated anything and instances of abuse are dealt with properly and effeciently and are reported to the police. Where this has not been done in the past, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI has apologized and has put in place new rules to prevent this happening again.

Originally Posted by Sister Mary Maria

How many Baptist pastors can you find who, if found to be sodomites diddling little boys, have had their crimes hushed up as they've been moved from church to church where they could continue to destroy even more young lives?
One thing you papists continue to conveniently overlook is that the outrage isn't just about "priests" who are taking advantage of their authority within your "church" to bugger children. It's also about the vast conspiracy of silence and the continued opportunities provided to those "priests" to bugger children who would otherwise have remained blissfully unsodomized had these "priests" been turned into the proper authorities in the first place.

Hi sister Mary, I don't think the church has been responsible for hushing anything up. There is no conspiracy of silence, and His Holiness Pope Benedict has strongly reprimanded those who did not take the appropriate action against the molesters.

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

I do not know of any such studies, but your church is baptist and I earlier posted a link to the case of a baptist sodomite. You must also remember that the catholic church is the biggest of any christian denominations so there may be more rogues in their ranks numerically, but not necessarily proportionately.

Have any data to back that up?

May we also remind you, that as independent Baptists, we do not claim authority with any other church but our own. We are not linked with other churches who use the name Baptist, no have any power or anything to do with them. The Catholic Church, however, is all linked and controlled by a central governing body, so what happens in one branch can rightly be blamed on the general "church" body.

St. Paul clearly teaches in I Corinthians 7:7–8 that chastity is a superior state, and Matthew 19 tells of many men who renounce marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Our priests follow the examples of Christ and His apostles, none of whom were married.

None of the apostles were married now, were they?

Mark 1: 29As soon as they left the synagogue, they went with James and John to the home of Simon and Andrew. 30Simon's mother-in-law was in bed with a fever, and they told Jesus about her.

How could Simon Peter have a mother-in-law if he wasn't married? Also, on what basis do you reasonably claim the rest of the Apostles weren't married?

Paul may have held chastity as a superior state, but he did not agree with forbidding it, not even for Bishops:

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and DOCTRINES OF DEVILS; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a red hot iron; Forbidding to marry ...."
(I Timothy 4:1-2).


"This is a TRUE saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife . . . one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection"
(I Timothy 3:1-4).

Hi James, we catholics have not tolerated anything and instances of abuse are dealt with properly and effeciently and are reported to the police. Where this has not been done in the past, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI has apologized and has put in place new rules to prevent this happening again.

Yeah, once the word got public, the church cracked down to improve their public image. How righteous of them

Hi sister Mary, I don't think the church has been responsible for hushing anything up. There is no conspiracy of silence, and His Holiness Pope Benedict has strongly reprimanded those who did not take the appropriate action against the molesters.

Did Mr Ratzinger also reprimand himself?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

@ Cantabrian

Will you be indifferent when Satan is raping you in Hell for all eternity?

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

Hey there friend,

The problem of paedophilia in the church has been most unfortunate but I would stress that only a tiny minority of priests have ever been involved in sexual abuse. I see also my friend that Pope Benedict is the 'Kiddie-Fiddler of Vatican City'. Sir I must stress to you that this is a totally inaccurate attack, the holy father is never been involved in that and has always acted quickly and consistently to deal with abusers in the strongest possible way.

Right. The strongest possible way being...what exactly? Did you mean to type "the strongest possible way, except for telling the police, or even punishing them in any way at all?"

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

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So please do not tar all with one brush! If the report says 4% of priests have been involved in the abuse, please remember that this means 96% are not (the vast VAST majority).

Great. So the other 96% aren't perverts, they just help cover it up. That's so much better.

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

St. Paul clearly teaches in I Corinthians 7:7–8 that chastity is a superior state, and Matthew 19 tells of many men who renounce marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Our priests follow the examples of Christ and His apostles, none of whom were married.

Lies!
1 Corinthians 9:4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach

OK, bro, time out and calm down! Maybe have some brandy or something. You seem like a very angry man.

Well, that certainly is unreasonable of him. I definitely can't think of any reason why anyone would get even slightly worked up over a petty little thing like systematic child abuse.

Hi James, we catholics have not tolerated anything and instances of abuse are dealt with properly and effeciently and are reported to the police.

Right. That's why all these cases were dealt with decades ago, as soon as anyone found out about them. Oh, wait...

[Wash O'Hanley]

Right. The strongest possible way being...what exactly? Did you mean to type "the strongest possible way, except for telling the police, or even punishing them in any way at all?"

Well to be fair, most of the time the promotions pedophile priests earn for covering up their ill-deeds lands them in cushy office atmospheres where there aren't any young boys to play with, which for them is a form of punishment.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

The 96% of the Priests that haven't been caught yet will go to the same Hell as the 4% who have.

Is there a sex offender living on every block of the United States of America? No. But in the Catholic Priesthood there is.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

I do not know of any such studies, but your church is baptist and I earlier posted a link to the case of a baptist sodomite.

There is no such thing as a Baptist sodomite. If he's one, then he isn't the other.

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

You must also remember that the catholic church is the biggest of any christian denominations so there may be more rogues in their ranks numerically, but not necessarily proportionately.

Hold it right there, papist.

We have already clearly established that Catholics are NOT Christians. Don't try and toss your blasphemies around in here. This is God's favorite forum.

[Levi Jones]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

Our priests follow the examples of Christ and His apostles, none of whom were married.

What about your bishops which are required to be married according to Paul?

Are you saying the Bible is self-contradictory?

None of Christ's apostles were married? Are you sure about that?

Matthew 8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

You would think a PhD student would know "the rock" was married.

[The Cantabrian]

Originally Posted by Levi Jones

What about your bishops which are required to be married according to Paul?

Are you saying the Bible is self-contradictory?

None of Christ's apostles were married? Are you sure about that?

Matthew 8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

You would think a PhD student would know "the rock" was married.

OK Levi, let us deal with this issue of marriage shall we. There are a few things to say.

First, the Catholic church does NOT forbid anyone to marry. No member of the church is mandated to take a vow of celibacy. It is always voluntary, with them renouncing marriage as per Matthew 19:12. Ordinarily, the Church then selects candidates for the priesthood from those who have renounced marriage in such a way, but it is not unknown for the church to accept priests who are married.

Secondly, with regard to Peter's wife, the Holy Catholic church does not deny that Peter was once married. But is it not odd that no wife was mentioned in the Gospels or the Acts? Sacred oral tradition suggests that his wife was martyred, so he was not actually married at the time he was designated as the ROCK. He was more likely a widower.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

First, the Catholic church does ... insane rambling removed ...

Being a catholic is even worse than being an atheist. At least atheists are honest about hating God. Maybe you got addicted to getting raped by priests, but you really have to snap out of this and start on saving your soul before it is too late.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

First, the Catholic church does NOT forbid anyone to marry. No member of the church is mandated to take a vow of celibacy. It is always voluntary, with them renouncing marriage as per Matthew 19:12. Ordinarily, the Church then selects candidates for the priesthood from those who have renounced marriage in such a way, but it is not unknown for the church to accept priests who are married.

Do you plan to answer the question about the bishops?

Secondly, with regard to Peter's wife, the Holy Catholic church does not deny that Peter was once married. But is it not odd that no wife was mentioned in the Gospels or the Acts? Sacred oral tradition suggests that his wife was martyred, so he was not actually married at the time he was designated as the ROCK. He was more likely a widower.

To reconcile the "sacred oral tradition" with the Bible, the Romanists have had to invent still more "sacred oral tradition." Wouldn't it make more sense to skip the made-up bits altogether and just take God at His Word?

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

Being a catholic is even worse than being an atheist. At least atheists are honest about hating God.

Yes, it is.

Rev. 3:15-16: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

OK Levi, let us deal with this issue of marriage shall we. There are a few things to say.

First, the Catholic church does NOT forbid anyone to marry. No member of the church is mandated to take a vow of celibacy. It is always voluntary, with them renouncing marriage as per Matthew 19:12. Ordinarily, the Church then selects candidates for the priesthood from those who have renounced marriage in such a way, but it is not unknown for the church to accept priests who are married.

It is, in fact, practically unknown for the church to accept married priests. If that were not so, why are there so many men who can't move beyond the post of deacon because they are married? (In fact, you also forbid widowed Deacons from remarrying!)

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__PY.HTM Code of Canon Law (from the Vatican's website)

Canon 277 §1. Clerics are obliged to observe perfect and perpetual continence for the sake of the kingdom of heaven and therefore are bound to celibacy which is a special gift of God by which sacred ministers can adhere more easily to Christ with an undivided heart and are able to dedicate themselves more freely to the service of God and humanity.

The only exceptions that are made are for the case of a (already married) Protestant who converts to Catholicism and wants to become a priest. No doubt this is done only to encourage conversion and nothing more. (I could mention the theory that Catholics only instituted this rule so that no children of priests could claim to inherit Church land, but whatever...)

Secondly, with regard to Peter's wife, the Holy Catholic church does not deny that Peter was once married.

Perhaps not, but you certainly did. You said that NONE of the Apostles were married.

But is it not odd that no wife was mentioned in the Gospels or the Acts? Sacred oral tradition suggests that his wife was martyred, so he was not actually married at the time he was designated as the ROCK. He was more likely a widower.

Oh, are you honestly suggesting that by the time of Matthew 16, Peter's wife had been martyred? That is VERY odd indeed, considering both the Bible AND your Catholic Church proclaim St. Stephan to have been the first martyr, in Acts 7, several years after he was "designated as the ROCK".

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14286b.htm

"St. Stephen - One of the first deacons and the first Christian martyr; feast on 26 December."

[Levi Jones]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

But is it not odd that no wife was mentioned in the Gospels or the Acts?

To add to what my esteemed colleagues posed to you, no wife is mentioned in the Gospels. What are the Books of Matthew and Luke (4:38)? I was unaware they are not Gospels. Is that more "sacred" oral tradition?

If the other apostles were married at one time and decided to become celibate like the "sacred" oral tradition claims, wouldn't they be in violation of 1 Corinthians 7:5?

5Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

You catlickers love to point to Paul's writing that he is celibate in that chapter, but conveniently ignore the fact that Paul advocates healthy relations with the wife only two scriptures before.

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

OK Levi, let us deal with this issue of marriage shall we. There are a few things to say.

First, the Catholic church does NOT forbid anyone to marry. No member of the church is mandated to take a vow of celibacy. It is always voluntary, with them renouncing marriage as per Matthew 19:12.

So, is celibacy important or not? Does God place a special value on celibacy?

Secondly, with regard to Peter's wife, the Holy Catholic church does not deny that Peter was once married. But is it not odd that no wife was mentioned in the Gospels or the Acts? Sacred oral tradition suggests that his wife was martyred, so he was not actually married at the time he was designated as the ROCK. He was more likely a widower.

This sacred oral tradition sounds like a wonderful thing. So, you're saying that I can make anything I like up, and as long as I tell it to someone else, it becomes true?

[The Cantabrian]

Originally Posted by Levi Jones

To add to what my esteemed colleagues posed to you, no wife is mentioned in the Gospels. What are the Books of Matthew and Luke (4:38)? I was unaware they are not Gospels. Is that more "sacred" oral tradition?

If the other apostles were married at one time and decided to become celibate like the "sacred" oral tradition claims, wouldn't they be in violation of 1 Corinthians 7:5?

5Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

You catlickers love to point to Paul's writing that he is celibate in that chapter, but conveniently ignore the fact that Paul advocates healthy relations with the wife only two scriptures before.

Yes, and did you read what he said thereafter:
"I say this by way of concession, not of command. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one kind and one of another" (1 Cor 7:6-7).

Originally Posted by Brother Temperance

So, is celibacy important or not? Does God place a special value on celibacy?

This sacred oral tradition sounds like a wonderful thing. So, you're saying that I can make anything I like up, and as long as I tell it to someone else, it becomes true?

Of course celibacy is important, and is preferable to marriage as St Paul says. You can't just make anything up as you please. Sacred oral tradition evolves gradually over centuries among the popes.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by The Cantabrian

Sacred oral tradition evolves gradually over centuries among the popes.

Where does it say that in the Holy Bible?


BTW; your popes are all antichrists. Every pope who's ever lived is in hell right now.