[Ezekiel Bathfire]

NASA? The National Association of Scientists and Atheists? Why should we bother what they do?

[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

Stealing tax dollars and organizing gay sex orgies.

And acting as a front for Health Care reforms from what I've heard.

[Lusifurr]

Cities and the distance between them. This is something we can verify by checking departure and arrivals in the air traffic.

Shanghai    <->  Los Angeles  6489
Los Angeles <-> Jacksonville  2153
Jacsonville <->   Casablanca  4250
Casablanca  <->     Shanghai  6881

How does that sum up in an flat world?

Also, the sun are in zenit over the equator by day in africa and give us midnight sun in sweden at night. How could that happen if the sun rotated around a flat earth?

[Brother Alex]

Originally Posted by Lusifuge

Cities and the distance between them. This is something we can verify by checking departure and arrivals in the air traffic.

Shanghai    <->  Los Angeles  6489
Los Angeles <-> Jacksonville  2153
Jacsonville <->   Casablanca  4250
Casablanca  <->     Shanghai  6881

How does that sum up in an flat world?

The ways of the Lord are mysterious. Sometimes He simply works by such ways that are unexplainable by the means of true science. Even so, it doesn't mean that the scriptures are wrong. In most cases the secular scientists doing the measurements are either wrong or simply lying in order to support their unfounded theories.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

Also, the sun are in zenit over the equator by day in africa and give us midnight sun in sweden at night. How could that happen if the sun rotated around a flat earth?

This diagram pretty much sums up the actual course of the sun and the stars:

[Lusifurr]

The diagram says we all should have daylight on the same time all over the world. Now, we all know that's wrong. We've got timezones you know. You must agree that the scientists got a bit more plausable explanation.

Have you never used a map?

[Jedediah]

Originally Posted by Lusifuge

The diagram says we all should have daylight on the same time all over the world. Now, we all know that's wrong. We've got timezones you know.

Can you back that up with Scripture, or is this just more vain babbling from a nonbeliever?

Proverbs 3:5-7
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

I Corinthians 3:18-20
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

[Lusifurr]

Originally Posted by Jedediah

Can you back that up with Scripture, or is this just more vain babbling from a nonbeliever?

Do you really need the bible to do all the thinking for you?

Backup what, timezones and their necessarity? Call Sarah Palins office in Alaska and ask what time it is and you'll see.

Backup the theory about the diagram? Look at the geometry of it all. If the world looked like that, Stockholm in Sweden and Freehold in Iowa would have noon at the same time. That's not the case in real life, is it? Where and why did you decide to give up rational thinking? It's a shame and a waste.

Have you ever used a GPS? Got one in your car maybe? How would it work without satellites in space?


Lusifuge 1:1
Think.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Lusifuge

Do you really need the bible to do all the thinking for you?

Backup what, timezones and their necessarity? Call Sarah Palins office in Alaska and ask what time it is and you'll see.

Backup the theory about the diagram? Look at the geometry of it all. If the world looked like that, Stockholm in Sweden and Freehold in Iowa would have noon at the same time. That's not the case in real life, is it? Where and why did you decide to give up rational thinking? It's a shame and a waste.

See the below picture of how it works. Then apologize to Jesus.

Have you ever used a GPS? Got one in your car maybe? How would it work without satellites in space?
Lusifuge 1:1
Think.

These are documented countless times as attached to high floating weather balloons, the same things you wack jobs call 'alien spaceycraft'.

Why else do you think when you turn the GPS on it says "Searching for Satellites'. The reason being is they are constantly changing. Balloons do not last forever.

[Lusifurr]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

See the below picture of how it works. Then apologize to Jesus.

Ha, ha, ha... nice one. Never saw that one comming...
But you see, according to the animation there is only daylight 1/9 of a 24 hour period. The rest of the time is spent on other locations and below the earth. How does that add up? Do you got 2.67 hours of daylight where you live?
You could always claim that the animation is a bit wrong but the problem remains. Where are the timezones when the sun is below the earth?

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

These are documented countless times as attached to high floating weather balloons, the same things you wack jobs call 'alien spaceycraft'.

You're kidding, right? Why should they deny they where ballons, if the concept worked? You mean they claim them to be satellites only to mock with god? Yay...

You really should use your creative imagination to come up with something good. Not to shackle your minds to nothing.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Lusifuge

Ha, ha, ha... nice one. Never saw that one comming...
But you see, according to the animation there is only daylight 1/9 of a 24 hour period. The rest of the time is spent on other locations and below the earth. How does that add up? Do you got 2.67 hours of daylight where you live?

There's a bit of overlap with the light and that's enough.

Where are the timezones when the sun is below the earth?

Well, all we know for certain is that God made light before He made the sun, so there is probably light around in foreign places.

You mean they claim them to be satellites only to mock with god? Yay...

Satellites are a red herring. It doesn't matter if you are foolish enough to believe that they can penetrate the solid firmament of not.

You really should use your creative imagination to come up with something good. Not to shackle your minds to nothing.

We have only God to thank for the mysteries He has revealed - it would be wrong to ask for more.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Lusifuge

...Call Sarah Palins office in Alaska and ask what time it is...

Cut to Sarah Palin's office: "The talk-thingy is going rrrrriiinggg-rrrriiiinnnggg again. What do we do?"

[the apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

Cut to Sarah Palin's office: "The talk-thingy is going rrrrriiinggg-rrrriiiinnnggg again. What do we do?"

how dare you!!! sarah palin's the closes thing to god we got on earth. thats why i show my respect to her by watching who's nalin palin over and over again.

[Lusifurr]

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire

There's a bit of overlap with the light and that's enough.

Is that so? Then tell me how Lima in Peru and New York, who got 3648 miles between each other, are in the same timezone. While Denver, Colorado (1630 miles to New York) are not? How's that for an overlap?

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire

Satellites are a red herring. It doesn't matter if you are foolish enough to believe that they can penetrate the solid firmament of not.

You're doing this on plain routine, aren't you. We're not talking about gods existance here but whether the earth is flat or not. If you think of it, satellites would pretty much prove you wrong. So claming it to be red herring is just ignorance.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Originally Posted by Lusifuge

You're doing this on plain routine, aren't you. We're not talking about gods existance here but whether the earth is flat or not. If you think of it, satellites would pretty much prove you wrong. So claming it to be red herring is just ignorance.

What are you talking about? Of course satellites are a red herring devised by atheist scientists to trick people into not believing in God. There is absolutely no way they could pierce the firmament and get to the waters above it, because God made the firmament solid.

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." Genesis 1:6-9

In fact, the firmament is so solid it would be possible to walk on it, if a person could ever get up there.

"Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven." Job 22:14

"Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?" Job 37:18

Now, please stop spreading your secular lies and misinformation. The only way to really find out about the universe is to read the Holy Bible. Why don't you try doing that?

[God's Flaming Sword]

Originally Posted by Lusifuge

Is that so? Then tell me how Lima in Peru and New York, who got 3648 miles between each other, are in the same timezone. While Denver, Colorado (1630 miles to New York) are not? How's that for an overlap?

Have you ever shone a torch in a dark room? Does it light the whole room or spread a beam of light? Of course it's a beam of light which is what the sun does as it moves underneath the firmament. That explains why some parts of the disc are lit while others are not.

Originally Posted by Lusifuge

You're doing this on plain routine, aren't you. We're not talking about gods existance here .......

You may not be talking about God's existance (sic) heathen but it's what we are all about here....PRAISE THE LORD!!!

[Lusifurr]

@Lycia The Repentant:
Oh, yeah... do this firmament meat the earth somewhere? If so, how do I get there?
You're going for the ballon solution? GPS equipment floating around in the sky in baloons. And though the concept works with baloons, the high tech guys says it's satellites 'cause... why?

@God's Flaming Sword: You've missed som reading. Catch up where I enter this discussion. (#943)

[Felicity]

@Lusifuge Why don't you love Jesus?

[God's Flaming Sword]

Originally Posted by Lusifuge

@Lycia The Repentant:
Oh, yeah... do this firmament meat the earth somewhere? If so, how do I get there?
You're going for the ballon solution? GPS equipment floating around in the sky in baloons. And though the concept works with baloons, the high tech guys says it's satellites 'cause... why?

@God's Flaming Sword: You've missed som reading. Catch up where I enter this discussion. (#943)

True Christians do not take instructions from unsaved trash like yourself - I have read your posts (best I can with the spelling and grammar mistakes). Just like your life without the Lord in it they are hollow and meaningless.

If you want to quote scripture that backs up any points you have made please do provide that. Until then please don't just repeat the same tired old stuff we have repudiated several times before.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Originally Posted by Lusifurr

@Lycia The Repentant:
Oh, yeah... do this firmament meat the earth somewhere? If so, how do I get there?

Don't be crazy. The firmament and the sky are like a tent covering the Earth.

"Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" Isaiah 44:24

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." 2 Corinthians 5:1

Besides, God doesn't like it when people try to pierce the firmament and reach the Heavens. Ever hear of a little something called the Tower of Babel?

"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth." Genesis 11:1-9

You're going for the ballon solution? GPS equipment floating around in the sky in baloons. And though the concept works with baloons, the high tech guys says it's satellites 'cause... why?

Now when in tarnation did I talk about balloons? What are you talking about here?

[Lusifurr]

Originally Posted by Lycia The Repentant

Now when in tarnation did I talk about balloons? What are you talking about here?

I never said you did. Just asking...