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Re: The Health Consequences of Being Mixed-Race -
09-26-2013, 01:15 AM
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Yeah i dont think i mentioned physical strength. Just speed, agility and cardio.
Also i cant access that study link unfortunately.
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I'll see if I can make it rain with some major quotage:
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Contrary to "The Bell Curve" findings, a new study by researchers at Columbia and Northwestern Universities suggests that poverty and early learning opportunities -- not race -- account for the gap in IQ scores between blacks and whites. (The study will be published in the April [96] issue of Child Development.
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Black families are more likely to live in poor neighborhoods, whether or not they are poor themselves. "Almost one half of all black children whose families were not poor resided in poor neighborhoods, compared with less than 10 percent of white children," said Duncan.
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At the time of The Bell Curve's publishing, there were seven studies in the scientific literature concerning the cause of the black/white IQ gap. Six of them point to the environment; and only one points to genetics.
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After World War II, many American GI's (both white and black) fathered children by German women; these children were then raised in German society. The children fathered by black GI's had an average IQ of 96.5, and the children fathered by white GI's had an average IQ of 97 -- a statistically insignificant difference.
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Now, the studies weren't perfect:
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There are statistical difficulties with all the above studies. For example, Scarr and Weinberg themselves believe that their adoption study is not informative on the question of genes, race and IQ, because their study sample was small, the adoption agencies could have selectively placed the kids, the adoptive families were recruited on a voluntary basis, the natural parents' IQs were not known, the black children were adopted at a substantially later age, and the social stigma of being a black child in a white family probably has effects on development.
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as Nisbett points out, the six studies suggesting a social rather than genetic factor were taken at very different times and places, under a wide variety of circumstances. That they should all suffer from the same sort of self-selection is therefore implausibly great.
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I include this information because as a True Christian, (and not a false prophet) I am very concerned with learning about and understanding reality as it is, and not as I want it to be. Not only does this link further confirm my belief in Jesus and the talking-snake/uppity woman origins of pain and suffering, it also proves the existence of God. After all, miracles prove the existence of God, and if God can allow for blacks to be equal to whites in terms of intellectual capability, that is a pretty amazing miracle my friend.
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Re: The Health Consequences of Being Mixed-Race -
09-26-2013, 01:18 AM
Oh i got the link to work, without going through all of the sources what strikes me straight away is that children weren't entirely black to start with. Their mothers were white so its a mixed race child to start with. Also if those were American black GIs who fathered those children they were likely to have a large portion of mixed blood too as interbreeding did occur in america continuously in their ancestry.
I suppose that can be used as argument to say that the study is biased as the only real way to produce relevant result is by introducing children from central parts of africa into white middle class family environment.
Just a thought...
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Re: The Health Consequences of Being Mixed-Race -
09-26-2013, 01:20 AM
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Just a thought...
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Why not share your thoughts on your favorite Bible Verse?
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09-26-2013, 01:25 AM
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Why not share your thoughts on your favorite Bible Verse?
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Im literally a step away from getting banned... Regardless:
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways” declares the Lord.
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09-26-2013, 01:26 AM
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Oh i got the link to work, without going through all of the sources what strikes me straight away is that children weren't entirely black to start with. Their mothers were white so its a mixed race child to start with. Also if those were American black GIs who fathered those children they were likely to have a large portion of mixed blood too as interbreeding did occur in america continuously in their ancestry.
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Well, there were these parts of the link:
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Another study measured the IQ's of children from black-white unions. Assuming that mothers are more important than fathers in the education and socialization of their children, the study sought to see if a child's IQ is higher when the white partner is the mother. This turned out to be true -- the IQ of a racially mixed child averages 9 points higher when it is the mother who is white.
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In another study of children raised in residential institutions, black, white and racially mixed children who were raised in the same enriched environment were given IQ tests. At four years of age, the white children had an average IQ of 103, the blacks had an average IQ of 108, and the racially mixed children had an average IQ of 106.
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As for the GI study, even if the African American fathers had been somewhat mixed, wouldn't that still have allowed for a slight difference in the average IQs of the white and mixed children, if not a significant difference? Anyways, now liberals can't use the excuse that mixed race people are supposedly "smarter" than non mixed people. We already know that they're weaker than either full blacks or full whites in terms of upper-body strength.
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09-26-2013, 01:29 AM
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Im literally a step away from getting banned... Regardless:
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways” declares the Lord.
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Well maybe if you use the opportunity to praise Jesus, you can stay!
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09-26-2013, 01:32 AM
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You will probably dismiss this as lies, from the authors who brought you spherical earth, gravity and evolution... [/QUOTE]
Yes, clearly.
They have also brought us spacemen, time travel and Democrats.
Are you on your side of your arguement or God's side? It seems like you can't make up your mind.
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Re: The Health Consequences of Being Mixed-Race -
09-26-2013, 01:33 AM
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Why not share your thoughts on your favorite Bible Verse?
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Mine personally is Matthew 5:11 "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." This verse is really handful in winning arguments because even if I get criticized for being wrong, that only increases my heavenly reward. It's almost like a win-win situation.
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Re: The Health Consequences of Being Mixed-Race -
09-26-2013, 01:36 AM
And another thing- I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would ever want to eat a haggis.
You people wear womens skirts, drink strong whiskey, deny God and you have the gall to attempt to instruct Christians on a Christian site.
There is something wrong with you. Better come to Jesus and quick. It's that or Hell. Don't go there; it's too hot.
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Re: The Health Consequences of Being Mixed-Race -
09-26-2013, 01:38 AM
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Yes, clearly.
They have also brought us spacemen, time travel and Democrats.
Are you on your side of your arguement or God's side? It seems like you can't make up your mind.
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Divine Shadow is probably a racist Hitler-worshiper anyway. Yo Shadow, you do realize that True Christians civilized your inferior Germanic tribes after the fall of the Roman Empire correct? So much for this idea of Aryan supremacy. Colder environments did not lead to Germanic tribes being superior intellectually to anybody else. If anything, Egypt, Sumeria, Babylon, and other great ancient civilizations were intelligent due to warm environments, not cold ones.
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Re: The Health Consequences of Being Mixed-Race -
09-26-2013, 01:39 AM
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In another study of children raised in residential institutions, black, white and racially mixed children who were raised in the same enriched environment were given IQ tests. At four years of age, the white children had an average IQ of 103, the blacks had an average IQ of 108, and the racially mixed children had an average IQ of 106.
Its important to look at the number of institutions if its only a few in with small percentage of black children the sample my not be representative. As they could simply just have more gifted black kids. Also if institutions were run by black staff(role models) there is a study that shows that black kids perform significantly better when taught by black role model teacher. I can dig it up given time.
Problem is there a lot of studies but none with concrete evidence. Politicians will oppose large scale study because if it turns out that black kids have lower intelligence/ brain capacity etc that puts entire equality principle at risk. So when i said im a proponent of eugenics its that i merely believe it and can argument my belief.
Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.
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09-26-2013, 01:41 AM
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Yes, clearly.
They have also brought us spacemen, time travel and Democrats.
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Last time I checked, most scientists in the U.S. are democrats. What an amazing coincidence!
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09-26-2013, 01:47 AM
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Problem is there a lot of studies but none with concrete evidence. Politicians will oppose large scale study because if it turns out that black kids have lower intelligence/ brain capacity etc that puts entire equality principle at risk. So when i said im a proponent of eugenics its that i merely believe it and can argument my belief.
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Yo, you need to quit with the racism Demonic Shadow:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...lassmates.html
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By the age of 16, only 23% of white boys eligible for free school meals achieved five or more GCSE exams at grade C or better, in subjects including English and maths.
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The new analysis of Government data, released by the Conservatives, showed that 61 per cent of the poorest Chinese boys and 42 per cent of Asian boys on free school meals achieved the GCSE target last year. Among black boys, the figure was 34 per cent.
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So poor white boys apparently have the worst passing rates for GCSES in English state schools, if I read the article correctly. What is your point in coming here, if I may ask?
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09-26-2013, 01:50 AM
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Its important to look at the number of institutions if its only a few in with small percentage of black children the sample my not be representative. As they could simply just have more gifted black kids. Also if institutions were run by black staff(role models) there is a study that shows that black kids perform significantly better when taught by black role model teacher. I can dig it up given time.
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Or surrender:
And repent:
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09-26-2013, 01:52 AM
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Divine Shadow is probably a racist Hitler-worshiper anyway. Yo Shadow, you do realize that True Christians civilized your inferior Germanic tribes after the fall of the Roman Empire correct? So much for this idea of Aryan supremacy. Colder environments did not lead to Germanic tribes being superior intellectually to anybody else. If anything, Egypt, Sumeria, Babylon, and other great ancient civilizations were intelligent due to warm environments, not cold ones.
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Nope no Hitler. No Mussolini. I believe in equal opportunity. My belief in eugenics leads only to my belief that education system should be restructured to accommodate innate differences.
As for gallic and celtic tribes i never implied those. We are talking about completely different time frames.
Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.
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09-26-2013, 02:03 AM
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Nope no Hitler. No Mussolini. I believe in equal opportunity. My belief in eugenics leads only to my belief that education system should be restructured to accommodate innate differences.
As for gallic and celtic tribes i never implied those. We are talking about completely different time frames.
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Hmmm..... what is your opinion of Barack Hussein Obama? I'm having a hard time figuring you out. There may be some hope left for you, but first we need to see you denounce Obama as someone who hates America, and gladly accepts Bush's defenses of his golf obsession, despite being a Bush-basher.
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09-26-2013, 02:03 AM
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Yo, you need to quit with the racism Demonic Shadow:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...lassmates.html
So poor white boys apparently have the worst passing rates for GCSES in English state schools, if I read the article correctly. What is your point in coming here, if I may ask?
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They dont give you figures. From what i know the amount of white impoverished kids in schools is rather small at such they might not create a statistically re-presentable sample.
Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.
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09-26-2013, 02:09 AM
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Hmmm..... what is your opinion of Barack Hussein Obama? I'm having a hard time figuring you out. There may be some hope left for you, but first we need to see you denounce Obama as someone who hates America, and gladly accepts Bush's defenses of his golf obsession, despite being a Bush-basher.
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Its a complex issue. I think barrack can sling bull with the best of them. Is he the best for america. Definitely not. On the other hand if we look at healthcare system it is corrupt and neglects average and below average american charging stupid fees, providing weak service. I just dont think he tackled the problem right. I will never agree with bush though he had a team of remarkable economists and was actually good for US economy (as much as i hate to admit it). As i said its a complex issue.
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09-26-2013, 02:14 AM
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Or surrender:
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Might have to surrender here, cant find it online, its likely in the stack of my new scientist magazines but its 3 am so i gotta admit defeat and retire...
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09-26-2013, 02:15 AM
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They dont give you figures. From what i know the amount of white impoverished kids in schools is rather small at such they might not create a statistically re-presentable sample.
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I needs to see the link to your claim. Where's the link?
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