[napa valley nan]

Originally Posted by Rebechon

-A person of the LGBTQ(Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transvestite/Transexual, or Questioning) is not attracted to every person they see. If they are attracted to a heterosexual person, they do not act upon it because they know their feelings would not be returned.

-Gays serving in the military is not a problem. If separate facilities were required for them, Summer Camps, Schools(including boarding schools), Field Houses, and other places would require separate facilities as well.

-You compare people of the LGBTQ community to dogs. You need an attitude adjustment. Life is miserably short, do not waste it by making others feel unwanted. You can get into your Heaven without being a jerk.

America is changing--for the better! I am proud to call my self a Gay Rights Supporter and Activist.

You've got that right Rebechon an I'm willin to stand beside you an all the young people growin up now knowin more about the facts than we knew in my time. I have 2 daughters and one of em happens to be gay a lesbian. So I follow the news for her sake and let me tell you something, the stuff being put up on this board is way out of line.

One: The vote yesterday in the house didn't come out of nowhere. There have been gays and lesbians fighting about their jobs in the armed forces for years and years and years. I'll try to make this simple: it had already reached the boiling over point when Bill Clinton (president) undertook to do away with the restrictions and unfairness, but then the conservative side was sayin NO NO, we need a compromise an that's how "Don't ASK Don't TELL" was born.

Two: The vote yesterday was done because the Senate has stalled and stalled about approving the military budget an that bill has "Don't ASK Don't TELL repeal" on it an that's why now they're runnin scared and pointin fingers and sayin this an that.

So long story short, if you're worried about our sons and daughters overseas I would urge you to educate yourself and call your Senator because would you rather have your soldier child dead, or serving with a gay or lesbian person they may not even know or ever talk to.

So everyone just calm down an stop pretending this is some secret deal they made in the House of Reps. Its been discussed to death all over capital hill and its HIGH Time we threw out that trash "Don't Ask Don't Tell".

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by napa valley nan

You've got that right Rebechon an I'm willin to stand beside you an all the young people growin up now knowin more about the facts than we knew in my time. I have 2 daughters and one of em happens to be gay a lesbian.

Have you told her that if she continues in her perversions, God will torture her for all eternity in His Lake of Fire?

Or do you not love her?

[napa valley nan]

Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer

Have you told her that if she continues in her perversions, God will torture her for all eternity in His Lake of Fire?

Or do you not love her?

Of course I love my daughter that is why I'm willin to come here when there's other things I could be doing it is to fight for her and her RIGHTS which are the rights of ALL Americans. Have you read the constitution? SEPARATION of church and state.

Everyone pays taxes. All locals are created equal. The courts struck down the Texas laws against gays and lesbians in Baker versus nelson you can look it up therefor you cannot deprive someone of life and liberty and pursuit of happiness etcetra because YOU do not agree with them all the way and especially when the hatred is aimed at a sex/identity act that is LEGAL. How are you going to punish people for behaving legally well guess what, you can't. That is what the courts are saying now and you should open your ears if you want to be part of the real world and not carted off to the nuthouse.

Noone's saying you have to marry a same sex bride or groom so do your heart a favor and stay out of it. You will be doing your heart a favor because you won't be filling it with spite and hatred and fear and also doing it a favor because you will live longer.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by napa valley nan

Of course I love my daughter that is why I'm willin to come here when there's other things I could be doing it is to fight for her and her RIGHTS which are the rights of ALL Americans. Have you read the constitution? SEPARATION of church and state.

What does civil government have to do with God's Law?

You claim to love your daughter, yet you don't tell her that God is going to cast her into His Lake of Fire where she will be burned alive forever, with no chance of escape, no possiblity of death?

I fail to see how you can say that you love her. Sounds like hatred to me.

[napa valley nan]

Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer

What does civil government have to do with God's Law?

Yes that confused smilie is good for you right now. Have you taken a basic civics class? I'm no college graduate but even I know what you are missing: that there is a SEPARATION of CHURCH AND state.

aRE YOU DELIBERATLY sorry

Are you deliberatly ducking the issue? What we are talking about here is the abolishment of "Don't ask Don't Tell". You can't fire someone when they are doing something legal.

You claim to love your daughter, yet you don't tell her that God is going to cast her into His Lake of Fire where she will be burned alive forever, with no chance of escape, no possiblity of death?

My daughter is already taken. Why do you want to talk about her?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by napa valley nan

Yes that confused smilie is good for you right now. Have you taken a basic civics class? I'm no college graduate but even I know what you are missing: that there is a SEPARATION of CHURCH AND state.

You may be busily yammering about separation of church and state, but I'm concerned about the state of your daughter's soul. This is a Christian church's discussion forum, not Politico.

I asked you if you love your lesbian daughter and if so, had you told her that God will torture her in Hell for all eternity for her perversions. I didn't ask after, and don't care about, your beliefs about what civil laws should be.


That has nothing whatsoever to do with civil laws. Can you answer a simple question? Or are you too busy spewing hatred?

Do you, as a mother, hate your daughter so much that you'd simply allow her to condemn herself to eternal torture without so much as a warning?

What kind of a sick monster are you, anyway?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by napa valley nan

Yes that confused smilie is good for you right now. Have you taken a basic civics class? I'm no college graduate but even I know what you are missing: that there is a SEPARATION of CHURCH AND state.

Where are those exact words in the U.S. Constitution? Also, once Jesus in His good time has replaced the current heathenish government with His Father's law, there won't be any more unelected liberal activist judges to separate church and state.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters

Where are those exact words in the U.S. Constitution? Also, once Jesus in His good time has replaced the current heathenish government with His Father's law, there won't be any more unelected liberal activist judges to separate church and state.

Napa Man--I'll make a friendly suggestion here, don't try to debate Pastor Peters. His mind is like a steel trap. He will eat you alive.

You can see by his post here that he knows more than most anyone about the topic of governace and, especially, this matter of the separation of church and state.

[napa valley nan]

Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters

Where are those exact words in the U.S. Constitution?

Separation of church and state is what the whole constitution is based on. We came to Plimoth Rock to start a country that wasn't ruled by a King who's ruled by a god. It was about religious freedom, but if you stop an think, how can you have religious freedom if you're not free of religion that's right, you can't.

The old country enforced certain religions on people then locked em up if they didn't pay and agree. The king and I wonder why you don't know this, was SUPPOSED to be put there by God and their word was law. So the Americans said no, we're doing it different and now we have the constitution etcetra. Look it up and you'll see ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL (no mention of what faith or whatnot) also SEE "make no law respecting of establishment of religion, or prohibiting free exercise thereof' basically saying government is NOT the church or ANY church.

You can pick a church of course but the buck stops there.

Are you from America? This used to all be covered in 6th grade or junior high at the latest, at least when my girls went.

[napa valley nan]

[QUOTE=Johny Joe Hold;656113]Napa Man--I'll make a friendly suggestion hereQUOTE]

I've said twice now I am not a man, my name is NAN.

When people stoop to cracks like that it makes everyone look bad, not the person its directed at. I'm not here to insult you so don't you insult me and don't you insult my kids because I will fight for them like a lioness who protects her cub that's what aprents do. If you look at the constitution it says all are created EQUAL and that means everyones deserving of or has a RIGHT to actually dignity and respect and equal fair treatment, from every one to every one.

[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by napa valley nan

If you look at the constitution it says all are created EQUAL and that means everyones deserving of or has a RIGHT to actually dignity and respect and equal fair treatment, from every one to every one.

It does not say that at all. Not only do you need a refresher course on your Holy Bible, you need to go back to high school and re-take your civics class.

It's Americans like you that make me sick, who think that they can use some imaginary clause in the constitution to try to silence the free speech of Christians.

[napa valley nan]

Originally Posted by Nobar King

It does not say that at all. Not only do you need a refresher course on your Holy Bible, you need to go back to high school and re-take your civics class..

If you look its in the bill of rights that's one of the building blocks of the Constitution. They have to agree with eachother. Also 13th ammendment that I don't have time to go into here I'm sure you have read it I hope.

[Brother Scott]

Originally Posted by napa valley nan

You've got that right Rebechon an I'm willin to stand beside you an all the young people growin up now knowin more about the facts than we knew in my time. I have 2 daughters and one of em happens to be gay a lesbian. So I follow the news for her sake and let me tell you something, the stuff being put up on this board is way out of line.

One: The vote yesterday in the house didn't come out of nowhere. There have been gays and lesbians fighting about their jobs in the armed forces for years and years and years. I'll try to make this simple: it had already reached the boiling over point when Bill Clinton (president) undertook to do away with the restrictions and unfairness, but then the conservative side was sayin NO NO, we need a compromise an that's how "Don't ASK Don't TELL" was born.

Two: The vote yesterday was done because the Senate has stalled and stalled about approving the military budget an that bill has "Don't ASK Don't TELL repeal" on it an that's why now they're runnin scared and pointin fingers and sayin this an that.

So long story short, if you're worried about our sons and daughters overseas I would urge you to educate yourself and call your Senator because would you rather have your soldier child dead, or serving with a gay or lesbian person they may not even know or ever talk to.

So everyone just calm down an stop pretending this is some secret deal they made in the House of Reps. Its been discussed to death all over capital hill and its HIGH Time we threw out that trash "Don't Ask Don't Tell".

Are you suggesting that we, as Christians, should pay more attention to the laws passed by a liberal Godless government headed by a Muslim instead of following the word Of God?

And I apologize, but I have to ask. What exactly did you do to anger God so much that he cursed you with a gay homosexual child?

[napa valley nan]

Originally Posted by Scott1305

And I apologize, but I have to ask. What exactly did you do to anger God so much that he cursed you with a gay homosexual child?

I am thankful everyday for my gay daughter. She has taught me to appraise ones for what they are inside, not go by what I think I know, but to really know. She opened a new world to me where I could see how the world has become a better place. She taught me to love myself even if I have disappointed people, because some relatives turned away like she had disappointed them and I saw that was WRONG. She made me see every person has value because we are all here together. That is why I cannot say you people some of your people here are worthless because you're mean or anything like that, everyone has value even if they have bad days.

[Brother Scott]

Originally Posted by napa valley nan

I am thankful everyday for my gay daughter. She has taught me to appraise ones for what they are inside, not go by what I think I know, but to really know. She opened a new world to me where I could see how the world has become a better place. She taught me to love myself even if I have disappointed people, because some relatives turned away like she had disappointed them and I saw that was WRONG. She made me see every person has value because we are all here together. That is why I cannot say you people some of your people here are worthless because you're mean or anything like that, everyone has value even if they have bad days.

You didn't answer my question. I did not ask whether or not you were thankful, of course you are....you condone your child's sinful ways. I asked what it was that you did to anger God to being this on yourself. Although I am happy that it seems some of your relatives are true believers in the word of God and his son Jesus Christ.


I would suggest prayer and begging for forgiveness for whatever it is that you did so that God may intervene and cause your "daughter" to cease her sinful wicked decadent lustful ways.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by napa valley nan

I am thankful everyday for my gay daughter. She has taught me to appraise ones for what they are inside, not go by what I think I know, but to really know. She opened a new world to me where I could see how the world has become a better place. She taught me to love myself even if I have disappointed people, because some relatives turned away like she had disappointed them and I saw that was WRONG. She made me see every person has value because we are all here together. That is why I cannot say you people some of your people here are worthless because you're mean or anything like that, everyone has value even if they have bad days.

If you love your daughter so much why don't you want to help her?

Say the word and we will be there for a soul saving for your daughter. All it will take is 50ft of rope, half dozen tie wraps, a bucket of water and she will be begging for Jesus to come save her within an two hours! Were not scared of California laws.

Why are you so cruel to her?

[James Dewitt]

=napa valley nan;656206]

I am thankful everyday for my gay daughter. She has taught me to appraise ones for what they are inside, not go by what I think I know, but to really know. She opened a new world to me where I could see how the world has become a better place.

So napa nan are you going the hell road too? Lesbos are destined to go to hell.

She taught me to love myself even if I have disappointed people, because some relatives turned away like she had disappointed them and I saw that was WRONG.

Incorrect, they had made the correct choice, turn your back to them.

She made me see every person has value because we are all here together. That is why I cannot say you people some of your people here are worthless because you're mean or anything like that, everyone has value even if they have bad days

When you have Jesus by your side "bad days" are non existent.

[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by napa valley nan

If you look its in the bill of rights that's one of the building blocks of the Constitution. They have to agree with eachother. Also 13th ammendment that I don't have time to go into here I'm sure you have read it I hope.

It's too bad that the 13th amendment is too long for you to understand.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[2]

You are not my slave and you are not my equal, and even if you stand on seventeen copies of the constitution you STILL will not be my equal, nor should you ever want to be.

The Constitution is a legal document. The Holy Bible is a spiritual document. They are not mutually incompatible, but you seem to have mistaken one for the other, and shown no understanding of either. In this case I guess it's lucky that your daughter wasn't homeschooled

[napa valley nan]

Originally Posted by Nobar King

It's too bad that the 13th amendment is too long for you to understand.

I am sorry I meant the fourtieth ammendment. “all persons born or naturalized in the United States,” they mean slaves, can't be denied "life, liberty or property, without due process of law" or to "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Anyway I think you know what I mean mr. nobar. Were not in a courtroom the point is its in there in the constitution and the lawyers are making that very clear.

(Also when I said Nelson versus baker a while back I meant Laurence versus texas)

[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by napa valley nan

I am sorry I meant the fourtieth ammendment.

the fourtieth amendment???!!!