[Honest]

I'm here to learn. I came from a Nazarene background from south Texas but have since seen the world. I'm now a combat disabled servant of the lord.

Its been a very violent 15 years for me so I'm now looking for clarity. Most of the end users of my violence have been as fervent in their faith as I am in mine.


I'm a little concerned about the ferocity of verbage in this community but I felt it was generally for a good cause so here I am.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Honest

I'm here to learn. I came from a Nazarene background from south Texas but have since seen the world. I'm now a combat disabled servant of the lord.

Its been a very violent 15 years for me so I'm now looking for clarity. Most of the end users of my violence have been as fervent in their faith as I am in mine.


I'm a little concerned about the ferocity of verbage in this community but I felt it was generally for a good cause so here I am.

I'm sure the men will want to know all about your hunting, but I'm curious about your personal life. Do you have a wife? Has she glorified the LORD with delivering you strong boys? Does she home educate them? In Texas, secular science is not required to graduate a homeschooler. In fact, no science or history is! How convenient! More time to study the Word of God!

Speaking of which, what is your favorite Bible Verse? I think we can tell a lot about a man by knowing which verse through which the LORD speaks.

[Honest]

My wife has given me a beautiful daughter. I'm unsure if we're able to have another.

Proverbs 9:10 says the fear ofthe the lord is the beginning of wisdom. I, like Solomon, seek wisdom.

[Honest]

I'm not sure why my account has labeled me unsaved trash. That's not very welcoming. I might have made a mistake.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Originally Posted by Honest

I'm not sure why my account has labeled me unsaved trash. That's not very welcoming. I might have made a mistake.

Do not worry. We all have been labeled like that, until the Department of Faith does an extensive research on your background, checks everything is right and changes your status.


In the meantime, please let me know the ways how you discipline your daughter. Do you use an iron rod, or a wooden one? How long is the rod you use?

[Honest]

Originally Posted by Brother Gonzalez

Do not worry. We all have been labeled like that, until the Department of Faith does an extensive research on your background, checks everything is right and changes your status.


In the meantime, please let me know the ways how you discipline your daughter. Do you use an iron rod, or a wooden one? How long is the rod you use?

lol. No rod. Its my intention to raise my child to respect and to in turn command respect. Violence has no place in a respectful relationship. When I speak, the ground shakes and I am unwavering in my command. I see no need in perpetuating inefficient tactics.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Originally Posted by Honest

lol. No rod. Its my intention to raise my child to respect and to in turn command respect. Violence has no place in a respectful relationship. When I speak, the ground shakes and I am unwavering in my command. I see no need in perpetuating inefficient tactics.

Ok. Technically, you are not breaking this verse of the Bible:


Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.



Because you have a daughter. But, do you love her?


Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.



I do hate them. I just have love for the Lord.

[Honest]

Originally Posted by Brother Gonzalez

Ok. Technically, you are not breaking this verse of the Bible:


Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.



Because you have a daughter. But, do you love her?


Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.



I do hate them. I just have love for the Lord.

I'm not breaking any verse. Of course I love her. I just have really great kid. The practice of articulating expectations works really well. I would suggest that avoiding the need for violence supersedes my need to visit violence upon my child.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Honest

I'm not breaking any verse. Of course I love her. I just have really great kid. The practice of articulating expectations works really well. I would suggest that avoiding the need for violence supersedes my need to visit violence upon my child.

You're not listening, dear. My brother in Christ is showing you that the Holy Bible commands you to discipline your child, not only for her own salvation (Proverbs 23:14), but also so she doesn't humiliate your wife (Proverbs 29:15). Also, if you actually love your child, you'll naturally rebuke her like the Lord thy God does. Have you ever actually studied how the Lord thy God rebukes His children? Remember how much He loved King David, but snuffed his own babe just to make a point (2 Samuel 12:13-18)? No one is asking you to kill your child, only the LORD can do that (Genesis 22:2), but Mr. Gonzalez is asking why you're shirking your duty, which is very clear. Why are you embarrassed to actually follow the Word of God?

[Honest]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

You're not listening, dear. My brother in Christ is showing you that the Holy Bible commands you to discipline your child, not only for her own salvation (Proverbs 23:14), but also so she doesn't humiliate your wife (Proverbs 29:15). Also, if you actually love your child, you'll naturally rebuke her like the Lord thy God does. Have you ever actually studied how the Lord thy God rebukes His children? Remember how much He loved King David, but snuffed his own babe just to make a point (2 Samuel 12:13-18)? No one is asking you to kill your child, only the LORD can do that (Genesis 22:2), but Mr. Gonzalez is asking why you're shirking your duty, which is very clear. Why are you embarrassed to actually follow the Word of God?

nobody said I've failed to discipline my child. I just don't need a stick to do it. My daughter is 15 and almost graduating high school with high honors. I'm a former drill sergeant. I'm quite capable of discipline in a way that it simply isn't necessary.


I'm listening. Are you?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Honest

nobody said I've failed to discipline my child. I just don't need a stick to do it. My daughter is 15 and almost graduating high school with high honors. I'm a former drill sergeant. I'm quite capable of discipline in a way that it simply isn't necessary.


I'm listening. Are you?

You're clearly failing. By this age, the Holy Bible is very clear you should have her betrothed to a True Christian™ man and ready, if not already, pumping out babies of her own. You can read more about that HERE (follow the discussion HERE). As you haven't raised her to be a Bible Believing, obedient, servant of Christ, you've jeopardized her Salvation.


This is why your title is "unsaved trash." People come in all the time professing to be Christians while never really knowing what Christ would have them actually believe!

[Brother Gonzalez]

Originally Posted by Honest

nobody said I've failed to discipline my child. I just don't need a stick to do it. My daughter is 15 and almost graduating high school with high honors. I'm a former drill sergeant. I'm quite capable of discipline in a way that it simply isn't necessary.


I'm listening. Are you?

But the Bible specifically mentions a rod. Why would you do something else?


I too consider is easier to discipline your child with love, consistent manners, and a good example form you.


But God had other plans for our Christian kids. We should not disobey God, that lead us to Hell. And our kids too. You don't want that, do you?

[Honest]

Originally Posted by Brother Gonzalez

But the Bible specifically mentions a rod. Why would you do something else?


I too consider is easier to discipline your child with love, consistent manners, and a good example form you.


But God had other plans for our Christian kids. We should not disobey God, that lead us to Hell. And our kids too. You don't want that, do you?

yeah. I made a mistake. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

[Honest]

Originally Posted by Honest

yeah. I made a mistake. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

I got a warning from one of you. I don't need it. There's something very wrong with this place. I don't need your approval. Ban me or whatever. It won't make your views godly.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Originally Posted by Honest

yeah. I made a mistake. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

No I will not be ashamed of following God's word.

[Honest]

Originally Posted by Brother Gonzalez

No I will not be ashamed of following God's word.

you have no problem casting the first stone.

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by Honest

I got a warning from one of you. I don't need it. There's something very wrong with this place. I don't need your approval. Ban me or whatever. It won't make your views godly.

Mr. Honest, sir, I would encorage you to suspend your judgment that there is "something very wrong with this place" until you have thoroughly perused the different threads.


Over and over again, you will encounter perspectives and points of view which are very much in opposition to today's cultural norms. However, every one of those seemingly radical views can be supported by one or more verses of the Bible.


That is what we are here to accomplish. We want everyone with an interest in the Bible to understand what is really contained in its words. We want to impress upon them the level of committment required of those who proclaim themselves "Bible-Believing Christians."


Do you believe in the Bible, sir? From where else do you gather guidance in living your life? Do your ideas about God and Jesus come directly from the Bible, or are they filtered through modern modes and re-invisioned by contemporary viewpoints?

[Honest]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

Mr. Honest, sir, I would encorage you to suspend your judgment that there is "something very wrong with this place" until you have thoroughly perused the different threads.


Over and over again, you will encounter perspectives and points of view which are very much in opposition to today's cultural norms. However, every one of those seemingly radical views can be supported by one or more verses of the Bible.


That is what we are here to accomplish. We want everyone with an interest in the Bible to understand what is really contained in its words. We want to impress upon them the level of committment required of those who proclaim themselves "Bible-Believing Christians."


Do you believe in the Bible, sir? From where else do you gather guidance in living your life? Do your ideas about God and Jesus come directly from the Bible, or are they filtered through modern modes and re-invisioned by contemporary viewpoints?

I've read the bible constantly since I can remember. That doesn't mean I'm prepared to marry my kid off before she's old enough to drive, beat her for no reason I can see, and be labeled trash. Jesus did not teach me to abide disrespect for seemingly no good reason. It is not this website I seek approval from. I do appreciate the respectful tone. I rather expected that before.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Originally Posted by Honest

I've read the bible constantly since I can remember. That doesn't mean I'm prepared to marry my kid off before she's old enough to drive, beat her for no reason I can see, and be labeled trash. Jesus did not teach me to abide disrespect for seemingly no good reason. It is not this website I seek approval from. I do appreciate the respectful tone. I rather expected that before.

You laughed about my beliefs ("lol" were your words , very hurtful) and now you cry about disrespect.


I am without sin according to John 3:9. So I can cast the stone I want.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Honest

I've read the bible constantly since I can remember. That doesn't mean I'm prepared to marry my kid off before she's old enough to drive, beat her for no reason I can see, and be labeled trash. Jesus did not teach me to abide disrespect for seemingly no good reason. It is not this website I seek approval from. I do appreciate the respectful tone. I rather expected that before.

Well, that's just the problem, dear. You're imposing a 21st century, western moral code on the Holy Bible. And if that's the case, how do you know when to stop imposing this moral code and allow the Holy Word of God to speak for Itself?

Don't you think if Jesus wanted us to wait to marry off our daughters until after they can drive, graduate college, are able to be financially independent He would have stated so in the Holy Bible? Or do you think He pre-forgot these things would be around? Or do you think He was incapable of delivering a message for future believers?

Or... could it be, the Holy Bible means what It says, and says what It means?