[Basilissa]

Hello and to our Godly forum! It would make us very happy if you kindly proceeded to create an Introduction Thread in the (aptly named) Introduction Forum! I'm looking forward to reading it!

Originally Posted by Mei Saeki

In regard to divorce, Jesus stated that it is because of the hardness of people's hearts that God allowed divorce in the first place (Mark 10:2 - 12).

God also allows divorce in the case of cheating (Matthew 19:9) or if the spouse turns out to be a heathen (1 Corinthians 7:15).

One should not remain in an abusive home if they can help it. Physical, mental or emotional mistreatment in any marriage is UNACCEPTABLE to our Father.

Where in the Bible does say that?

Paul endorses peace and rejects any kind of spousal mistreatment.

I must have missed that, where does he say that?

[Mei Saeki]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Hello and to our Godly forum! It would make us very happy if you kindly proceeded to create an Introduction Thread in the (aptly named) Introduction Forum! I'm looking forward to reading it!



God also allows divorce in the case of cheating (Matthew 19:9) or if the spouse turns out to be a heathen (1 Corinthians 7:15).



Where in the Bible does say that?



I must have missed that, where does he say that?

God can not endorse and embrace abuse in marriage because it contradicts His character. And since marriage is designed to represent Christ, the teachings of such churches embracing abuse is heretical and it is blasphemous to the Word of God.

God does not condone abuse.

And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful. Luke 12:42-46



This scripture shows that God does not condone abuse of any kind.

[Mei Saeki]

The woman belongs to the man and the man to the woman. In marriage everything should be consensual and equal. So if your husband beats you for every stupid thing you do, beat him for every stupid thing he does.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Mei Saeki

God does not condone abuse.

Of course not. Which is why severe beatings which leave wounds are part of loving correction, not abuse:

Proverbs 20:30 The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Luke 12:42-46
This scripture shows that God does not condone abuse of any kind.

Speaking of beating your slaves - it really depends on whether your slave dies immediately after the beating or a few days later:

Exodus 21:20-21
20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

Obviously, the latter type of beating does not constitute abuse (as we both agree that God does not condone abuse).

Originally Posted by Mei Saeki

The woman belongs to the man and the man to the woman. In marriage everything should be consensual and equal.

Wrong:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Followed by:

1 Corinthians 7-10
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

So if your husband beats you for every stupid thing you do, beat him for every stupid thing he does.

By your logic, children should be allowed to beat their parents.

And before you scream that this is not the same, IT IS the same. According to the Bible, women are inferior to men, created as an afterthought, designed to be inferior:

Genesis 2:18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by Mei Saeki

God can not endorse and embrace abuse in marriage because it contradicts His character. And since marriage is designed to represent Christ, the teachings of such churches embracing abuse is heretical and it is blasphemous to the Word of God.

God does not condone abuse.

And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful. Luke 12:42-46

This scripture shows that God does not condone abuse of any kind.

Dear Child,

I'm going to ask you a question about abuse - abuse on a scale beyond marriage. I'll ask you to make a choice. That can be difficult as we are burdened with our preconceptions and emotions and tend to disregard True™ information:

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Here's the question. You are to choose the next world leader for all mankind. You have two candidates:

• #1 promises peace and safety.
• #2 promises to make you starve, to pollute your drinking water, to destroy >30% of the world's forests and all grassland and to pollute eventually the oceans. He promises to make you skin open up in sores so painful that you bite your own tongue off in pain and to make poisonous animals sting you until you wish to die, he'll keep you in total darkness and make you skin burn in scorching sun. He also promises to kill >30% of your fellow humankind.

Let us assume that both can deliver. Which one will you choose, #1 or #2? This not an idle exercise in logic, it is an actual choice that you'll have to make. Which one do you follow, #1 or #2?

I'm looking forward to your answer.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Mei Saeki]

So basically Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump? The first I guess, I don't bother with politics.

[Mei Saeki]

God never said woman was inferior, women are everything to this world. They cook, clean, take care of children, bear children, are far more intelligent, learn faster, etc.. I think you should treat your wife with a little respect because she does far more than any man, I feel bad for all the woman being abused by their 'Christian' husbands and are brainwashed into believing he's doing it to make her a 'better person'.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Mei Saeki

God can not endorse and embrace abuse in marriage because it contradicts His character.

Don't be silly. God's character no more contradicts aggressive submission of women than it does aggressive submission of the landscape. Just as the LORD seeks to make a point by tearing up the earth with quakes (1 Kings 19:11), fireballs from the skies (Genesis 19:24), or even unleashing the undead to corner Jews in uncomfortable conversation until they convert (Matthew 27:52-53), so He makes a point with subduing women for His glory (Deuteronomy 21:10-14), and even His own personal use (Numbers 31:31-40).

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Mei Saeki

God never said woman was inferior,

Really?

Leviticus 12:2-5
2Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. 3And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. 4And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. 5But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.

1 Corinthians 11:7-9
7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

[Redeemed Papist]

1 Corinthians 14:34,35
34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

You do realise that women are totally supposed to obey their husbands, correct?

How exactly is a husband supposed to deal with a rebellious wife? Same as with any of his servants or property!

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Mei Saeki

...women are everything to this world...far more intelligent, learn faster...she does far more than any man...

Sees bullshit sexism on the internet, responds with bullshit sexism on the internet. <slow clap>

[Rev. Waynetta Kerr]

Well well well. Here I am, back again from another wondrous women's outreach program, this time in the rainforests of South America, where we found lesbians everywhere living in servitude to their vile husbands. And it seems that Landover is once again denying the fact that Jesus wanted us to be tolerant and loving to all women and sexualities. If Jesus were around today... why he'd be campaigning for women to be equal and for bathrooms to be open to transgender people and generally being nice and loving to everyone.

Jesus is love no matter what you people say. He loves us and wants us to be loving and caring.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Mei Saeki

God never said woman was inferior, women are everything to this world. They cook, clean, take care of children, bear children, are far more intelligent, learn faster, etc..

Of course we women are better at cooking, cleaning, and taking care of children. That's what God created us for, so men can do manly stuff such as being doctors, scientists, engineers, political and religious leaders, and generally everything they desire.

I think you should treat your wife with a little respect because she does far more than any man,

I am inclined to agree with you that we women deserve very little respect from men. If any.

I feel bad for all the woman being abused by their 'Christian' husbands and are brainwashed into believing he's doing it to make her a 'better person'.

Why?

Aren't you Christian?

Don't you want to follow what God says in the Holy Bible?

Even if your answer to the above questions is "no," you should be more tolerant towards other people who actually care about God, the Bible, and religion.

[Rev. Waynetta Kerr]

Originally Posted by Mei Saeki

God never said woman was inferior, women are everything to this world. They cook, clean, take care of children, bear children, are far more intelligent, learn faster, etc.. I think you should treat your wife with a little respect because she does far more than any man, I feel bad for all the woman being abused by their 'Christian' husbands and are brainwashed into believing he's doing it to make her a 'better person'.

Hurrah! At last we have a Christian believer who wants to stand up with me for women among these people. Women are by far the hardest working and most clever. I'm sure you are like me and simply believe it in your heart that Jesus was misquoted by horrid men when he was nasty to his dear mother.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Rev. Waynetta Kerr

Well well well. Here I am, back again from another wondrous women's outreach program, this time in the rainforests of South America, where we found lesbians everywhere living in servitude to their vile husbands. And it seems that Landover is once again denying the fact that Jesus wanted us to be tolerant and loving to all women and sexualities. If Jesus were around today... why he'd be campaigning for women to be equal and for bathrooms to be open to transgender people and generally being nice and loving to everyone.

Jesus is love no matter what you people say. He loves us and wants us to be loving and caring.

Originally Posted by Rev. Waynetta Kerr

Hurrah! At last we have a Christian believer who wants to stand up with me for women among these people. Women are by far the hardest working and most clever. I'm sure you are like me and simply believe it in your heart that Jesus was misquoted by horrid men when he was nasty to his dear mother.

In other words, you're trying to say, that we should disregard the Holy Word of God, throw away our Bibles, forget that the Bible is the only evidence of Who God is and what He wants, and instead rely on our feeble "feelings" and whims?

Enjoy your free ride to , heathen!

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

Dear Child,

I'm going to ask you a question about abuse - abuse on a scale beyond marriage. I'll ask you to make a choice. That can be difficult as we are burdened with our preconceptions and emotions and tend to disregard True™ information:

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Here's the question. You are to choose the next world leader for all mankind. You have two candidates:

• #1 promises peace and safety.
• #2 promises to make you starve, to pollute your drinking water, to destroy >30% of the world's forests and all grassland and to pollute eventually the oceans. He promises to make you skin open up in sores so painful that you bite your own tongue off in pain and to make poisonous animals sting you until you wish to die, he'll keep you in total darkness and make you skin burn in scorching sun. He also promises to kill >30% of your fellow humankind.

Let us assume that both can deliver. Which one will you choose, #1 or #2? This not an idle exercise in logic, it is an actual choice that you'll have to make. Which one do you follow, #1 or #2?

I'm looking forward to your answer.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Originally Posted by Mei Saeki

So basically Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump? The first I guess, I don't bother with politics.

You have just chosen the Antichrist over Jesus. This is the result of not knowing ht basics of your Bible or the events that will soon unravel. The Antichrist will seduce people by bringing false peace, while Jesus as God will be busy showing people that He is the Boss. This has absolutely nothing to do with U.S. Politics and everything to do with your Eternal Fate.

The Antichrist:
Daniel 9:27 - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Christ:
Revelation 9:6-7 - And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

You call this abuse because you don't understand. Jesus has promised to do all that as He slowly dismantles this Earth. He will 'abuse' mankind because they have failed to follow Him (Matthew 7:14). This punishment will teach them fear Ecclesiastes 12:13) but - you might find this hard to believe - the Antichrist with false promises will still have many more followers than Jesus (Revelation 9:20-21). You have chosen to be one of them.

Similar to the situation of Jesus and the remaining humans (we'll be in Heaven; 1 Thessalonians 4:17), the husband has the duty of teaching fear to make his subordinates follow the narrow path and gain Salvation. By calling it abuse you've become a follower of the Antichrist. There is still time, you can choose again, you can choose Jesus!

Revelation 16:4-5
And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Mei Saeki]

Hmm, that's where your wrong, see I'm a member of the true people of God and it's me and everyone in this group who will be in Heaven. I'll send down a bucket of ice cold water.

[Mei Saeki]

What I meant by a little respect...IS A LOT OF IT. And I have something to add on to my little list of things women can do, they can do any job they want to and work anywhere they want to, they be anything they want to.

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by Mei Saeki

Hmm, that's where your wrong, see I'm a member of the true people of God and it's me and everyone in this group who will be in Heaven. I'll send down a bucket of ice cold water.

This is very nice. I assume this is your opinion. If you wish others to accept and respect your opinion as a True™ representation of our Reality, as well, it usually requires some evidence, in this case, Scriptural. Please, tell us, on which parts of the Bible or any other reference material your eschatological vies are based. Then we can go on discussing. Otherwise, this is meaningless and we're only left with the option of praying for you - which I promise to do anyway. You are probably aware that our eschatological vies are based on the Bible. At the moment the only thing we have is your personal narrative and, as far as we know, it could be either your personal delusion or caused by your negligence of Jesus (2 Thessalonians 2:11).

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Mei Saeki]

That scripture doesn't say that women should totally obey their husbands it says they shouldn't speak in church and if they have questions ask their husbands when they are at home.