[Jack O'fagan]

Scientist try to tell us that the Sun is 93,000,000 miles away from us. Rubbish!

It is still very, very far away (around 500 miles!) but nowhere near what scientists would have you believe. Firstly it is difficult to see something five miles away so there is no way that you could see 93,000,000 miles away, just preposterous.

There is a very easy proof that we can all see with our God given eyes, sunbeams. If light goes in straight lines then light from a very distant Sun would be coming towards us in parallel lines, it would appear as straight vertical columns coming down from the clouds. However look at sunbeams, they are not parallel at all! Just take a ruler and you can join up the lines and plot the exact position of the Sun, not too far above the clouds. You can see from the following photos that the sunbeams are far from parallel so proof of a relatively close Sun. Atheists will probably say that these pictures a photoshopped but I promise that they are both genuine.

YiC

Jack

[Zechariah Smyth]

My dearest Brother Jack, I do believe you have the atheists on the run...their silence is DEAFENING!



With one elementary display that can be confirmed with a ruler and pencil you have put to rest the nonsense about the sun being millions (MILLIONS!) of miles away.

Well done, my friend! I can't wait to see them twist their "physics" to try and explain this one away.

Praise God!

(Psalms 72:17) "His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed."



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Remy Lebeau]

500 miles away?

Isn't the Sun a mere 20 miles up?

[Little Donkey]

I printed out the photos and drew pencil lines to find where they meet up. There is a problem... the two photos give different answers. They are both MUCH less than 500 miles, it is more like 20 miles, like Prof Lebeau predicted, for the first photo and 15 miles for the second photo. Obviously the Sun is moving closer and closer. Could it be happening?

Revelation 8:10-12 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

[Lanfeust]

When I was younger I was always puzzled by these diverging sunbeams. Obvously if the sun is ninety three million miles away , the beams should be parallel . But looking at these beams the sun is "obviously" about 2 miles away, just above the clouds in fact. WRONG!
These beams are diverging because they are shining towards the camera and like any parallel lines spread apart the nearer they get. Like railway lines in fact.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by Lanfeust

When I was younger I was always puzzled by these diverging sunbeams. Obvously if the sun is ninety three million miles away , the beams should be parallel . But looking at these beams the sun is "obviously" about 2 miles away, just above the clouds in fact. WRONG!
These beams are diverging because they are shining towards the camera and like any parallel lines spread apart the nearer they get.Like railway lines in fact.

Railway lines that go up into the clouds?



Lay off the sauce, friend!

(Proverbs 20:1) "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."

YiC,

Z. Smyth

[Jack O'fagan]

Originally Posted by Lanfeust

These beams are diverging because they are shining towards the camera and like any parallel lines spread apart the nearer they get. Like railway lines in fact.

Ha,ha,ha,

The train would fall off.


Jack

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Lanfeust

and like any parallel lines spread apart the nearer they get. Like railway lines in fact.

Neither parallel lines nor railroad lines meet. Sir, you are an unobservant cretin.

[Alphonse Alban]

Once again, brother Jack, very informative post.

I actually printed out those pictures, and continued lines of the sunbeams on top of the picture. After I calculated in scale the point where these lines crossed I noticed something interesting.
We all know that sun is no higher than 500 miles. However, the point where these drawn out lines of sunbeams crossed was at height of 513,7 miles.

This made me think. I have always thought that sun is flat round disk like the earth. This however would not fit in line with these drawn out lines. It was then when I realized that sun may have slightly convex bottom. That would explain the crossing point of the sunbeams as I will demonstrate in picture later.

I think the bottom of the sun is made out of mesh of long but thing metal rods or beams. Because metal turns bright yellow when heated, this mesh could not be seen from earth against the burning coal. This way burning coal would easily stay in the sun and shine light downwards on broader area than just flat bottomed disk. Adding fresh coal on top of the sun sun would still be easy and convenient for God.

This would also explain why sun is 500 miles away, and why crossing point of the sunbeams is higher than sun itself.

[Travis the Fool]

if the sun was only 500 miles away the mere thought that idiots out there believe it is funny ill give you that but if the sun was just 500 miles away there would be no life on this planet, The temperature on the Sun's surface (photosphere) is 5,500 degrees Celsius. In the centre (core), the temperature is an incredible 15,000,000 (15 million) degrees Celsius. This would mean that life on earth would be impossible, if you believe in flat earth or that the sun is only 500 or less miles away your are dumb nothing about it you are as dumb as the sun is hot and earth is round idiots.

[Jack O'fagan]

Originally Posted by Travis the Fool

if the sun was only 500 miles away the mere thought that idiots out there believe it is funny ill give you that but if the sun was just 500 miles away there would be no life on this planet, The temperature on the Sun's surface (photosphere) is 5,500 degrees Celsius. In the centre (core), the temperature is an incredible 15,000,000 (15 million) degrees Celsius. This would mean that life on earth would be impossible, if you believe in flat earth or that the sun is only 500 or less miles away your are dumb nothing about it you are as dumb as the sun is hot and earth is round idiots.

The Sunbeams prove the distance to the Sun.

15,000,000 degrees , how would you measure that? The mercury would break the thermometer.

The Sun is made of coal, when I was a child I would happy sit within three or four feet of a coal fire. The photo below clearly shows fresh coal deposited by our Lord's hand.

YiC

Jack

[InHisGlory]

"if the sun was only 500 miles away the mere thought that idiots out there believe it is funny ill give you that but if the sun was just 500 miles away there would be no life on this planet."

Uh, ever heard of God? The omnipotent being that created the universe? Who cares what fancy scientists say, if God wants the sun to be close to the earth, it will be. The heat and radiation will not affect us, because God's hand protects the believers. It's mostly atheists who get skin cancer, ever noticed that?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by Jack O'fagan

The Sunbeams prove the distance to the Sun.

15,000,000 degrees , how would you measure that? The mercury would break the thermometer.

The Sun is made of coal, when I was a child I would happy sit within three or four feet of a coal fire. The photo below clearly shows fresh coal deposited by our Lord's hand.

YiC

Jack

Travis just takes it on faith that the core of the sun is 15,000,000 C. He doesn't know what the temperature of the sun's core is, but someone gave him a number and told him to believe it, so he believes it.

We, on the other hand, are using scientific empirical observations. We know that the surface of the sun is 5800K because the peak wavelength is greenish-yellow. We can use trigonometry to calculate the distance to the sun measuring the distance on the ground between two sunbeams and measuring the angle of those sunbeams.

These atheists will believe anything anyone tells them if it contradicts the Bible. They don't care whether it's true or not. But they think that they are logical and that Christians are irrational.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Brother Jack is absolutely correct. The mathematical laws of geometry prove this. I have created two pictures which illustrate his point.

Here is the first picture, with a tiny Earth and a massive Sun 90 million miles away (the false belief). You can clearly see that the sun rays are all parallel. Thus, all sunbeams on earth would be parallel like he said.



Now, here is another picture. That of the earth with a much smaller sun no more than 500 miles away (the TRUE belief). You can see the smaller sun casts non-parallel rays at varying angles which reaffirms what we can see with our own eyes.

[Discipline and Faith]

But.. I have to say that the sun will be a bit further away then you might think. I will use Mr.Osborne's example of a coal fire. A fire with only one coal is very weak and will not produce a lot of heat, you can sit mere inches from it without feeling uncomfortable. A coal fire as described by Mr.Osborne will contain a lot more coal and so he had to sit further away to feel at ease. Now hear me out.

If the sun is indeed made of coal, it has to be an awful lot of it. Thus can we calculate by the amount of coal to how far we are sitting on our comfy world. Which, judging by the scales, will be a lot more than 500 miles.

I'm just thinking out loud here.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by Discipline and Faith

But.. I have to say that the sun will be a bit further away then you might think. I will use Mr.Osborne's example of a coal fire. A fire with only one coal is very weak and will not produce a lot of heat, you can sit mere inches from it without feeling uncomfortable. A coal fire as described by Mr.Osborne will contain a lot more coal and so he had to sit further away to feel at ease. Now hear me out.

If the sun is indeed made of coal, it has to be an awful lot of it. Thus can we calculate by the amount of coal to how far we are sitting on our comfy world. Which, judging by the scales, will be a lot more than 500 miles.

I'm just thinking out loud here.

Well friend, let's see your calculations.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Discipline and Faith]

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

Well friend, let's see your calculations.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Very well. If one coal would keep you 10 centimeters away. And a fire of 10 Coals keeps you 1 meter away, we can calculate. 500 miles is rougly 804.672 Km (we use meters here, sorry). So far so good.
804.672 Km = 804,672 meters. That would mean the sun contains 8,046,720 Coals as we know them. You could put that amount of coals together in one place on our planet. Now think to yourself, a silo with roughly 8 milion coals, would that equal the sun? We are talking about the sun here, the thing made to keep the entirety of earth warm. I think that 8 milion will not even come close, thus proving that it has to be more than 500 miles.

Thankyou for your time

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by Discipline and Faith

Very well. If one coal would keep you 10 centimeters away. And a fire of 10 Coals keeps you 1 meter away, we can calculate. 500 miles is rougly 804.672 Km (we use meters here, sorry). So far so good.
804.672 Km = 804,672 meters. That would mean the sun contains 8,046,720 Coals as we know them. You could put that amount of coals together in one place on our planet. Now think to yourself, a silo with roughly 8 milion coals, would that equal the sun? We are talking about the sun here, the thing made to keep the entirety of earth warm. I think that 8 milion will not even come close, thus proving that it has to be more than 500 miles.

Thankyou for your time

You forgot about the law of inverse squares. The amount of energy doesn't decrease linearly with the distance, it decreases by the square of the change in distance. So if the sun were twice as far away, it would feel four times cooler, and if the sun were three times as far away, it would feel nine times cooler.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Discipline and Faith]

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

You forgot about the law of inverse squares. The amount of energy doesn't decrease linearly with the distance, it decreases by the square of the change in distance. So if the sun were twice as far away, it would feel four times cooler, and if the sun were three times as far away, it would feel nine times cooler.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

And you forgot that for the most part the energy will not find any resistance like for instance air on it's way to the surface, and even if the amount of coals would be 10, or 100 times bigger than I have calculated, it will still be far too little.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by Discipline and Faith

And you forgot that for the most part the energy will not find any resistance like for instance air on it's way to the surface, and even if the amount of coals would be 10, or 100 times bigger than I have calculated, it will still be far too little.

Inverse squares law has nothing to do with air resistance. It's all about radiation. Look it up.

And you forgot about Boyle's Law, which states that a gas in a closed system expand to fill whatever container it is in. Since the earth, sun, moon, and stars are all encased in a solid dome-like structure called "the firmament", Boyle's law tells us that our atmosphere expands to the top of the firmament, so the heat from the sun passes through air along its whole trip to the ground.

Besides, that's only common sense that the sun is in our atmosphere. How do you think a coal fire can burn without oxygen, dummy?

Edited to add: Anyway, we calculated the sun's diameter to be roughly 12 miles, so that's a lot more than a silo. If it were just a silo of coal, you wouldn't even be able to see it from 500 miles away, would you? The sun is much bigger than you think it is.

Edited again to add: I have a word problem for you. Burning lignite coal gives off 15 Megajoules/kilogram, and burning anthracite coal gives off 27 MJ/kg. How many Megajoules would we get from a 12 mile diameter lignite coal fire and how many from a 12 mile diameter anthracite coal fire?

Pastor Billy-Reuben