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Default Felons Can Vote? Ya Gotta Be Kidding - 02-17-2019, 03:47 PM

Freehold is proud to be in Iowa. But, sometimes Iowa should listen to Freehold.

Like today. There is a headline in the Des Moines Register telling readers poll results show most Iowans want convicted felons to have voting rights. Why would anyone think that? These are not only convicted felons, they are convicted sinners.

Read the entire Bible and you will not see Jesus saying felons should be allowed to vote.

Iowa Poll: Nearly two-thirds of Iowans say felons should regain voting rights after completing sentences
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...on/2875580002/


Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.
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Default Re: Felons Can Vote? Ya Gotta Be Kidding - 02-17-2019, 04:47 PM

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Iowa Poll: Nearly two-thirds of Iowans say felons should regain voting rights after completing sentences
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...on/2875580002/
I worry about Iowa, Brother Mr Mayor, Sir. That link takes me to a page headed by a Demoncrat-colored banner which reads:

Welcome to USA TODAY NETWORK’S EUROPEAN UNION EXPERIENCE

Otherwise, the page is blank. Do they not realize that Britain is almost if not quite yet an ex-European country? Does the world famous (in Britain) Special Relationship mean nothing to them?


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But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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Default Re: Felons Can Vote? Ya Gotta Be Kidding - 02-17-2019, 04:48 PM

We all know how criminals (and that includes illegal Mexicans) vote - Democrat.

If criminals want to "vote", they can pray (according to Romans 13) to Jesus.

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- Ecclesiastes 10:2


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Default Re: Felons Can Vote? Ya Gotta Be Kidding - 02-17-2019, 06:19 PM

There is a very important issue at stake here. There are two ways of viewing the prison system: either as a place where one goes to be punished for committed crimes, or as a place where one goes to correct bad behavior, learn how to be a civilized man. I think we'll all agree that American justice system aims at the former rather than the latter. The general assumption is that people are going to come out of prison equally (or even more) criminally inclined as they came in, hence, we make it more difficult for ex-cons (even the ones convicted for the most trivial offenses) to obtain jobs, which means they are often forced to go back to life of crime, which confirms our assumption that prison is just a place where we lock undesirables away rather than try to fix them. Locking people up for life for trivial offenses (such as for stealing a pair of socks worth $ 2.50) is the most logical conclusion of this line of thought.

This American way of viewing the prison system is well aligned with God's view of it. The Bible is unequivocal on this subject:

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

That's what the Bible says. Evil people will always keep doing evil things, there is no way to fix them, period. Hence, why should they be allowed to enjoy all the privileges that good people enjoy?
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Default Re: Felons Can Vote? Ya Gotta Be Kidding - 02-20-2019, 07:30 PM

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The Bible is unequivocal on this subject:

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

That's what the Bible says. Evil people will always keep doing evil things, there is no way to fix them, period. Hence, why should they be allowed to enjoy all the privileges that good people enjoy?

EXCEPT for gays who can freely choose to become straight any time they want but deliberately do not do it just to spite our unchanging and unshakeable religious convictions.
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Default Re: Felons Can Vote? Ya Gotta Be Kidding - 02-20-2019, 07:55 PM

Well, Biblically, there is an easy way to deal with felons, I mean:

Exodus 21:24-25
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,


25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.


So, for example, a felon lightning a marijuana cigarette should be put on fire to complete the "burning for burning" thing. That is the Biblical way.


But Christians are law abiding citizens, because the Bible also says that. And in that case, then, we should look this problem from other angle.


Exodus 22:2-3
2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.


3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.



So, it is simple, as most of this felons have nothing, then they should be sold. Many corporations in America could really thrive by having felons as non-paid workers. America could overpass China and be completely great again. And felons should not worry never again about what to do after they are free: the have work, and they are never going to be free.


In that scenario, I think felons could vote without any problems. Of course, they should submit the vote to their masters and then the master decide what to do with it.


Simple, easy to implement and a win-win for those involved.


And profoundly Biblical, which matters the most.


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Default Re: Felons Can Vote? Ya Gotta Be Kidding - 02-20-2019, 07:59 PM

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There are two ways of viewing the prison system: either as a place where one goes to be punished for committed crimes, or as a place where one goes to correct bad behavior, learn how to be a civilized man.
You are always so well-informed, Sister. Thank you for that information. It had never occurred to me that anyone would be foolish enough to think that the second option was even possible.

It led to an interesting discussion among my children, though, during today's theo-civics class, and I think I may have gained some insight regarding a question which was raised elsewhere on these boards by some misguided fool: at what age do children become criminally responsible for their actions? Basically, every child aged 6 or over reacted much as I did, with horror at the idea of prison as a corrective facility. Every child under the age of 5 simply roared with innocent laughter at the absurdity. So it is somewhere between the ages of 4 years 4 months and 6 years 6 months: I am sorry that I cannot narrow it down further, but I have no 5-year-olds at this time.


Revelation 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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Default Re: Felons Can Vote? Ya Gotta Be Kidding - 02-20-2019, 10:38 PM

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Like today. There is a headline in the Des Moines Register telling readers poll results show most Iowans want convicted felons to have voting rights.
I think this was a misunderstood result of a stirring sermon Pastor Zeke gave a month or so back.

At one point in the three-hour and wide-ranging sermon, his heartfelt cry was
"I tell you that if felons could vote, they'd vote Demoncrat and the Democrats would let them out! The only way I'd agree to this is if their elected representatives were locked up with them!"
I suspect Iowans want Demoncrats locked up.




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Default Re: Felons Can Vote? Ya Gotta Be Kidding - 02-20-2019, 11:40 PM

Now I finally understand how Obama could ever have become president.
I am certain Trump is going to change our laws allowing Trump to become our Godly president until the rapture so we finally get rid of the damage done by these hardcore criminal Democrats.


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Default Re: Felons Can Vote? Ya Gotta Be Kidding - 02-21-2019, 06:30 AM

I'm more worried about undocumented immigrant felons who are voting.


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flag Re: Felons Can Vote? Ya Gotta Be Kidding - 02-21-2019, 07:37 AM

I am not too worried about the felons voting per se. The voting system is the problem, not the Biblically uneducated voting masses. I think that it would be totally appropriate for the felons to vote as long as they vote Republican. This could be ascertained by the open ballot. The felons would be welcome to vote, and some strategically placed True Christians™ would be there to help them vote for the GOP candidates. In fact, if the legislation will be changed to allow felons some voting rights, it is easy to include the obligation to vote republican.

Felons need guidance. The only Guiding light available is Jesus and His reflected Glory on the radiant faces of President Trump and Pastor Ezekiel.

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I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.

We could have a win-win situation. The felons would be taught how to cast correct votes, the GOP would gain majority and some people would be Saved© for Jesus. Glory!


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Dearest Sister Basilissa

There was no voting in Jesus day. If there had been I think Herod would have been soundly defeated with God as His campaign manager. I also think God would have ordained ex-offenders as able to cast ballots. He told us to feed the hungry and clothe the nude. He urged us to visit prisoners. Why then could we not assume He would also say to give them the vote? Jesus is so compassionate about other things that I am certain of how He would handle this.


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There was no voting in Jesus day. If there had been I think Herod would have been soundly defeated with God as His campaign manager.
I am puzzled, Brother Larry. Is there a "not" missing there, or did you mean to write "without" God as his campaign manager? Unless of course God was only acting as Herod's campaign manager in order to ensure that he was defeated. But why in His Holy Name would He do that? It would mean that God, technically, "lost" the election. This wouldn't look good. Surely it would have been more convenient for Him to act as campaign manager for the person that He wanted to win.

Even with the aid of Proverbs 3:5, usually a reliable source of clarification when I miss the point, what you say is just too confusing for me.


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Prayer Re: Felons Can Vote? Ya Gotta Be Kidding - 02-21-2019, 10:20 PM

Blessed Sister

Please let me apologize for the semantics of my post. I meant to say that God would have been Campaign Manager for Jesus and our Lord would have soundly won. This could have been a stumblingblock to one of His little ones so I do beg the forgiveness of the Church and God Almighty.


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Please let me apologize for the semantics of my post. I meant to say that God would have been Campaign Manager for Jesus and our Lord would have soundly won. This could have been a stumblingblock to one of His little ones so I do beg the forgiveness of the Church and God Almighty.

Goodness, Brother Larry, no need to apologize. It was entirely my fault for not spotting the capitalization in the phrase "His campaign manager".

In my defense, it has been a very long and difficult day during which (after much prayer) my husband - not being an elected member of parliament, let alone a government minister - has had to take the difficult decision not to take on sole responsibility for organizing Brexit. You would not believe the profanities I have overheard from a woman whose father was a vicar - so very distressing. But that is absolutely no excuse and I ask you to accept my profuse apologies.


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