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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-29-2010, 05:51 AM
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You can't have it both ways, either God fixes everything to roll his way, or he stays out of interfering with humanity directly. I bet you i could find a king james bible with a typo in it.
oh here we go, in 1631:
http://www.revelife.com/710024434/th...ible-misprint/
Wicked Bible on free public display in British Library, London.
http://twitpic.com/9kzw1
How'd this one get by His editor?
The world is either flawed or perfect, and im not seeing a lot of perfect.
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Touche. So what is the solution? Should we just pick and choose the parts of the Bible we feel like believing in? Maybe we should just throw the entire thing out, since there was a type-o in 1631.
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12-29-2010, 06:42 AM
No. Its not about picking and choosing, it about distancing yourself from a black and white view of the world. Us vs them. Gays vs Straights. Black Vs White. There is too much gray area in human affairs to apply every last punctuation mark in a several thousand year old book to every modern problem.
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12-29-2010, 06:53 AM
Human beings have passed down stories for a very long time, and a common occurrence is that as they stories are told (NOT WRITTEN) they change slightly with each telling, just as would happen today. But they all had an original lesson to teach, usually a crucially important one. Does their status as "not totally true" invalidate their lesson? Absolutely not. Does it make the individual nuances of a story irrelevant 3000 years later? Perhaps.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-29-2010, 05:34 PM
i have to thank this website, i found it at a time i really needed it.... it has to be the best comedy website on the internet.
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12-29-2010, 05:41 PM
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i have to thank this website, i found it at a time i really needed it.... it has to be the best comedy website on the internet.
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While I sometimes find myself tempted to laugh at all the inane drivel that comes out of the mouths of the unsaved, I mostly feel sorry for them. If it's a comedy, it's a rather sad one. But every now and again we actually manage to save people, that's encouraging.
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Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-29-2010, 05:45 PM
Woo. Someone's been watching a little toto much Star Trek it seems:
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12-29-2010, 06:30 PM
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Dude... you can go in your backyard with a calculator, a decent telescope, and a sextant and discover in a week how incorrect that picture is. To say the least, sometimes venus and mercury are further away than the sun, and have been photographed being occluded by the sun.
If we can agree that model rockets take off on chemical fuel... then why is it such a stretch to scale that up, and use hydrogen as a propellant?
Why did you name yourself aristotle? I believe he was known best for deductive reasoning, a skill that seems to be the LEAST valued one on these forums, with blind faith way ahead in first.
Sample deductive reasoning:
The Bible was physically printed on paper by men.
Men are imperfect at copying.
It is possible that Bibles are imperfect.
The only argument i see here is that God personally intervened to make sure each printed Bible came out for the last several thousand years typo free. If you wanna roll with that... then its an impossible argument.
P.S. Stars definitely move (except the north star). just make some measurements yourself, who knows, you might unlock an interest you never knew you had.
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Venus and Mercury are closer to earth but smaller and not near as bright as the Sun. Go out in the early morning to check for yourself. When they are in front of the sun they get lost in the brightness of the sun, not occluded by it. The stars are fixed with respect to each other but the whole celestial sphere can rotate so different parts of the earth will see different stars in different seasons.
If the sun burned hydrogen, then it would have long since burned up. Look at how quickly the hydrogren in the Hindenberg dirigible burned.
These are easy questions that the Creation scientists at Landover Baptist have long since answered.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-29-2010, 08:05 PM
Hey, I'm still trying to figure out how the sun can burn in 'the vacuum of space'. Light a candle and put it in a jar with a lid, it won't last very long especially if you use a vacuum pump to suck all of the air out of it.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-29-2010, 10:20 PM
Both questions can be answered by realizing that the sun is not burning the same way a candle is. The sun is using nuclear fusion of hydrogen to burn on a scale of nonillions(10^30) of kilograms, which take a rather long time to burn. Plus, the sun has an atmosphere just like earth does, except its properties are wildly different (heat, chemical makeup, size etc).
Nuclear Fusion:
4 hydrogens + 2 electrons --> 4 Heliums + 2 neutrinos + 6 photons
under high heat and pressure conditions
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~soper/Light/fusion.html
If the whole celestial field turns... then why do stars move across the sky at different speeds and in different directions?
Finally if the planets revolve around earth, why are they much further and dimmer sometimes and brighter and closer at others? if they are revolving around the earth their brightness should remain the same.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-29-2010, 10:24 PM
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Nuclear Fusion:
4 + 2 =4 + 2+ 6
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Good luck with that one!
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12-29-2010, 10:44 PM
They aren't arithmatic numbers, they are particles. Excuse me though, that should say Helium-4 (an isotope of He) not 4 Heliums. Its not the number of particles that make it equal, its the total energy on each side of the arrow.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-29-2010, 11:34 PM
Story behind nuclear 'fusion':
The Russian commies built a bunch of Tokamaks to try and make controlled fusion and some Mormon scientists in Utah lied that they had done fusion while cold but none of this stuff actually works! The only way to make atomic energy is in an atomic bomb. Are you saying that the sun is an atomic bomb? Then it would have long since blown up.
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12-29-2010, 11:47 PM
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Story behind nuclear 'fusion':
The Russian commies built a bunch of Tokamaks to try and make controlled fusion and some Mormon scientists in Utah lied that they had done fusion while cold but none of this stuff actually works! The only way to make atomic energy is in an atomic bomb. Are you saying that the sun is an atomic bomb? Then it would have long since blown up.
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If you want to look at it that way yes, the sun IS an atomic bomb. but it is blowing up continuously and has many, many orders of magnitude more fuel than our bombs. Our bombs' explosion is the emission of so much energy that they damage the surrounding area. When atomic nuclei fuse on the sun, the only thing they can energize is other nuclei.
Does this look like a coal fire to you?
P.S. what a beautiful picture
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-30-2010, 12:01 AM
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If you want to look at it that way yes, the sun IS an atomic bomb
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An atomic bomb only knows two states:
1. stable, not ignited
2. BOOM, mushroom cloud!
There's nothing in between. Besides, if the sun reall were an atomic bomb somehow frozen in time, then it wouldn't have a circular shape but a mushroom one. We all know that's what atomic bombs look like.
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and has many, many orders of magnitude more fuel than our bombs
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So you're saying we should use the sun against mooslim terrorists?
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Does this look like a coal fire to you?
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No, it looks like something out of Hell. Have you read the letter from Hell?
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Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-30-2010, 12:23 AM
The cloud is only the shape of the dust that gets kicked up when the force of the explosion hits the ground. The explosion is in all directions (spherical). And I assure you, the surface of the sun has a lot of "BOOM", it is several thousand degrees Kelvin. And i dont even understand your reference to bombing muslims.
To answer your implied question: Yes, if the sun was on Earth the Earth would be damaged in the same way that setting off trillions and trillions of atomic bombs would do.
I am sorry you don't find pictures of our universe beautiful. Maybe this one will stir you
I believe this image is the contrails of a supernova, and is several light years across.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-30-2010, 12:25 AM
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Does this look like a coal fire to you?
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No thats not coal, more like a flaming ball that God uesed to destroy Sodom.
Luke 17:29
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-30-2010, 12:30 AM
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I am sorry you don't find pictures of our universe beautiful. Maybe this one will stir you
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Yes it does I can see God and Jesus and the angels. Look at this one its the Hand Of God.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-30-2010, 12:36 AM
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Yes it does I can see God and Jesus and the angels. Look at this one its the Hand Of God.
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Amazing
If that isn't proof that God is real and that He sent Jesus to die for our sins, then I don't know what is!
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Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-30-2010, 12:38 AM
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The cloud is only the shape of the dust that gets kicked up when the force of the explosion hits the ground. The explosion is in all directions (spherical). And I assure you, the surface of the sun has a lot of "BOOM", it is several thousand degrees Kelvin. And i dont even understand your reference to bombing muslims.
To answer your implied question: Yes, if the sun was on Earth the Earth would be damaged in the same way that setting off trillions and trillions of atomic bombs would do.
I am sorry you don't find pictures of our universe beautiful. Maybe this one will stir you
I believe this image is the contrails of a supernova, and is several light years across.
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The picture looks like an angel. You can see the wings on either side and the Angel in the center.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth
Proverbs 19:25 Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.
Ezekiel 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
Proverbs 6:25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.
Genesis 24:16 And the damsel was very fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her: and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up.
Song of Solomon 1:15 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.
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Re: Oh Dear. NASA Still perpetuatiNg the Voyager MYTH! -
12-30-2010, 12:39 AM
I have seen that picture and it is beautiful. You know what makes it more beautiful to me though? That we captured this image from 17000 light years away using hyper-precise instruments created with our own two hands.
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