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I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-06-2012, 09:10 PM
Okay, time for a quick introduction. First of all, I am 19, male, and currently residing in Atlanta. I was born in rural Kentucky and graduated high school in Knoxville, Tennessee. I was raised southern baptist and am now attending a methodist university. I have read the bible more times than I am able to count and was saved when I was around 12-13. I attended my church three times a week, more when there were special occasions, and was nearly done with earning the Timothy award from AWANA (for those who dont know, the award is for children who have memorized the bible in its entirety, broken into sections) until they changed the system and i was forced to restart.
And that should be all of the things that you will be pleased about. I lost any and all faith in the christian doctrine around my 14th birthday and have yet to be swayed from that opinion. Generally, I am better versed in the Bible than the ministers who attempted to convert me and have yet to lose a debate on the topic. I am a bleeding-heart liberal, as i like to believe Christ was (who is an inarguable historic figure). I am a political science major at Emory University, currently ranked 20th by Newsweek. I am studying Arabic and hoping to find a job in international relations in the Middle East. I live a life nearly counter to the fundamental christian doctrine,and enjoy it. I live with my girlfriend of two years, have kissed another guy before, support the President and have spent the last few months laughing myself to tears whenever Santorum opened his mouth. I do not believe in the concepts of hell, of free will, or good an evil. I recognize the possibility of a higher power, but do not think that if he does exist, he is accurately represented in the Christian Bible. Satan is a myth that mothers tell children to make them behave.
So there we are, a small biography of myself. I hope to have some entertaining and hopefully enlightening conversations with you guys. Have at you!
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Re: Good evening, Clarice -
05-06-2012, 09:14 PM
Welcome to God's favourite forum Clarice
What's your favourite Bible verse, what inspires you?
The one inspiring me today is:
Genesis 27:7
Bring me venison, and make me savoury meat, that I may eat, and bless thee before the LORD before my death.
YIC
Genesis 7:5
And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
John 8:32
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Re: Good evening, Clarice -
05-06-2012, 09:18 PM
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...I am a bleeding-heart liberal, as i like to believe Christ was (who is an inarguable historic figure)...I recognize the possibility of a higher power, but do not think that if he does exist, he is accurately represented in the Christian Bible...
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Why do you refer to Jesus as "Christ" (ie. Messiah) if you reject His offer of salvation?
Why do you accept the Bible as evidence when it tells you Jesus was real, but reject everything else it says?
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Re: Good evening, Clarice -
05-06-2012, 09:23 PM
Typical ingrate.
After all the Republican party and God have done for you. You want to suck the life out of America and become a terrorist. You'll want to be back for Social Security and Medicare in 40 years. Have fun in Gitmo, Abdul.
We'll leave the light on for you.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: Good evening, Clarice -
05-06-2012, 09:26 PM
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I lost any and all faith in the christian doctrine around my 14th birthday and have yet to be swayed from that opinion.
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This is because you lost the battle against sin and chose to embrace it, rather than turn to God for help.
Son, whatever filthy sin makes you now hate God can be overcome. I began to develop homosexual tendencies about this age and soon after made the choice to be queer full time. I also hated God because I knew he did not create me to chase after the rectums of anonymous men, but the sodomy was more important to me than my righteous place in eternal hellfire.
But when I bottomed out in the gutter, as all homos will inevitibly find themselves, I broke down in tears and asked Him to help a wretch like me. Twenty years plus now, fag-free and saved!
Tell us what wickedness stains your soul. Is it sexual sin? Chemical dependency? Shoplifting? We have heard it all and can help with the love of God.
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-06-2012, 09:39 PM
Bravo on who renamed my post. Its clever.
ok, to answer the questions posed as I remember them. 1) I dont use the Bible itself to prove the existence of Christ. Its an indisputable historical fact that he did live. I call him Christ for the same reason I would call someone Smith. It is their name. 2) I do not want to blow up the states, I want to work for the State Dept. trying to find a solution to this mess we have found ourselves in. 3) I dont have any sins i need to forgive myself from. I am a happy person with no animosity towards any God. I just do not believe any of this is true. 4) "Good evening, Clarice" is a quote. It was said by Dr. Hannibal Lector in the movie "the Silence of the Lambs"
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-06-2012, 09:41 PM
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Bravo on who renamed my post. Its clever.
ok, to answer the questions posed as I remember them. 1) I dont use the Bible itself to prove the existence of Christ. Its an indisputable historical fact that he did live. I call him Christ for the same reason I would call someone Smith. It is their name. 2) I do not want to blow up the states, I want to work for the State Dept. trying to find a solution to this mess we have found ourselves in. 3) I dont have any sins i need to forgive myself from. I am a happy person with no animosity towards any God. I just do not believe any of this is true. 4) "Good evening, Clarice" is a quote. It was said by Dr. Hannibal Lector in the movie "the Silence of the Lambs"
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So what's your favourite Bible verse?
Genesis 7:5
And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
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05-06-2012, 09:47 PM
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I call him Christ for the same reason I would call someone Smith. It is their name.
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So was His brother James Christ?
YIC (not James)
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Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
I know God wouldn't let me believe in Him if He didn't exist.
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-06-2012, 09:48 PM
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...1) I dont use the Bible itself to prove the existence of Christ. Its an indisputable historical fact that he did live...
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Please cite your "indisputable historical" source.
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... I call him Christ for the same reason I would call someone Smith. It is their name...
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Uh, no, it's a title.
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Christ (Greek Χριστός (Khristós) 'anointed') is a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), the Messiah, and is used as a title for Jesus in the New Testament.
from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-06-2012, 10:03 PM
Friend, you live in an unmarried situation with a female, a sin. That is considered rape in the eyes of the Lord.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-06-2012, 10:29 PM
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I do not believe in the concepts of hell, of free will, or good an evil. I recognize the possibility of a higher power, but do not think that if he does exist, he is accurately represented in the Christian Bible. Satan is a myth that mothers tell children to make them behave.
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Please explain to me how an atheist such as yourself doesn't believe in free will.
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-06-2012, 11:19 PM
Alright, evidence for his existence as a historical figure: Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, Josephus, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the 27 books of the new testament authored by different sources and of course the Gnostic texts that have occurred. He is better documented than Cleopatra or Aristotle. As far as historians go, that is as indisputable as it gets. Now on to the term Christ. I give him that name because it is a part of his name. It is simple entomology, all last names come from titles and epithets. Smith is a common last name that is derived from someone who is a smith. Similarly, Johnson is a last name for someone who is a son of John. Jesus earned his epithet of Christ after being rumored to be the world's savior. It is as much of his name as The Great is to Alexander.
I dont have a favorite bible verse, what is your favorite line from The Great Gatsby?
And I dispute the idea of free will based off of Hume's philosophy, though I came up with it before reading him (though he puts it much more eloquently than I). Here is the link if you want to read what he says http://www.bartleby.com/37/3/11.html
The argument goes as follows: people are rational. This is the corner stone of our legal base and our economic system. Rational people are defined as making decisions based on their perceived possible outcomes. A rational person will at all times take the option that best helps them to serve their goals. Because people are always making the choice that they see as best, their behavior is dictated by the world in which they live. If their choices are dictated to them, then they are not free.
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-06-2012, 11:30 PM
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And I dispute the idea of free will based off of Hume's philosophy, though I came up with it before reading him (though he puts it much more eloquently than I). Here is the link if you want to read what he says http://www.bartleby.com/37/3/11.html
The argument goes as follows: people are rational. This is the corner stone of our legal base and our economic system. Rational people are defined as making decisions based on their perceived possible outcomes. A rational person will at all times take the option that best helps them to serve their goals. Because people are always making the choice that they see as best, their behavior is dictated by the world in which they live. If their choices are dictated to them, then they are not free.
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That is the most idiotic thing I've ever read, for lots of reasons. First, I read mostly the Bible, and it is the Divine Word of God, so it's perfect. Basically, I haven't read much idiotic stuff, so you almost win by default.
Second, you make people sound like robots (which they're not, robots are made of metal and wires and plastic. People are made of muscles and guts and skin).
Third, how could make something up that a guy (wrongly) made up before you were born?
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05-06-2012, 11:47 PM
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Second, you make people sound like robots (which they're not, robots are made of metal and wires and plastic. People are made of muscles and guts and skin).
Third, how could make something up that a guy (wrongly) made up before you were born?
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Oh, yes we are robots, my friend. The human mind is just a very advanced computer. It uses electrical impulses to generate ideas and movement. We are just carbon based while the ones we create are based off of differing metals. Why dont your read the argument first, and dispute it point-counterpoint style rather than use blanket statements like it's stupid.
Second, I discovered this idea long before I read Hume. He wrote it first, so of course it is only fair he get the credit, but I came to the same conclusion he did before I read his work. I made it up, I just was not the first.
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-06-2012, 11:52 PM
So, God-hater, why are you here?
Bible boring? Nonsense!
Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-06-2012, 11:55 PM
I am not a god hater at all. Not even an Atheist, I just dont believe in your god. Im here for fun. It is entertaining to hear what you have to say
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-06-2012, 11:59 PM
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Alright, evidence for his existence as a historical figure: Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, Josephus,...
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You claimed indisputable sources. All of those sources are disputed (except among Christian "scholars"), due to the very fact that none of them are eyewitness accounts. Add the fact that no originals remain of any of these, only much later copies of copies of copies...
Pliny and Tacitus don't even mention Jesus himself, only "Christians".
As for Josephus? Well, "Scholars have differing opinions on the total or partial authenticity of the reference in Book 18, Chapter 3, 3 of the Antiquities to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate, a passage usually called the Testimonium Flavianum.[10][1] The general scholarly view is that while the Testimonium Flavianum is most likely not authentic in its entirety, it is broadly agreed upon that it originally consisted of an authentic nucleus with a reference to the execution of Jesus by Pilate which was then subject to Christian interpolation..." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus)
Do you expect Christians to be unbiased? I don't.
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...the Dead Sea Scrolls, the 27 books of the new testament authored by different sources...
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I thought you weren't going to use the Bible?
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...and of course the Gnostic texts that have occurred...
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I wouldn't trust a Gnostic text on how to tie my shoelaces. I probably wouldn't even understand a Gnostic text on how to tie my shoelaces.
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... He is better documented than Cleopatra or Aristotle. As far as historians go, that is as indisputable as it gets...
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No one is claiming divinity for Cleopatra or Aristotle. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and you've shown none.
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Then why does every reference I've checked say it's a TITLE?
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Please learn the difference between etymology and entomology before you use that big word again.
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-06-2012, 11:59 PM
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Oh, yes we are robots, my friend. The human mind is just a very advanced computer. It uses electrical impulses to generate ideas and movement. We are just carbon based while the ones we create are based off of differing metals. Why dont your read the argument first, and dispute it point-counterpoint style rather than use blanket statements like it's stupid.
Second, I discovered this idea long before I read Hume. He wrote it first, so of course it is only fair he get the credit, but I came to the same conclusion he did before I read his work. I made it up, I just was not the first.
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Friend, you certainly seem to be troubled and unduly influenced by the mad rantings of a few deluded authors. Let's take it slow and see where this stems from.
Why do you hate God, meaning insist on denying His significance to the point of being on a no fly list? Tell me, did you go to secular college and get raped by your psych professor? Did you experience a homersexual situation where you could of said ;no' but did not because you 'wanted to experiment'?
I care about you friend, we all do.
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Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-07-2012, 12:00 AM
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Alright, evidence for his existence as a historical figure: Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, Josephus, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the 27 books of the new testament authored by different sources and of course the Gnostic texts that have occurred.
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I detect the remains of Faith in your righteous citing of the sources upon which we True Christian™ rely. Were any of those sources contemporaneous with Our Lord, Faith would not be required, but Faith is what we must have.
I personally think it is good to have a Mystery and this is the greatest and Godliest one, it allows us to engage Atheists and others who would deny the historicity of Jesus.
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Re: I Like Kissing Boys and Want a Career in Blowing Things Up -
05-07-2012, 12:01 AM
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I am not a god hater at all. Not even an Atheist, I just dont believe in your god. Im here for fun. It is entertaining to hear what you have to say
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Whose God do you belive in? By the way, we do not 'own God' rather He 'owns us, even you'.
Entertaining to hear us? What ever do you mean? We are here to help you see the Truth about Jesus.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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