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Default Re: THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER - SATAN'S STARGATE! - 09-08-2008, 01:03 PM

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but maybe all this is beyond your grasp and you don't understand it, so you are simply deny something you don't understand.
Just like you reject Christ because you don't understand.

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Default Re: THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER - SATAN'S STARGATE! - 09-08-2008, 01:35 PM

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I might not be a scientist that works in a research lab or making theoretically models but I worked in various production labs for some years, so don't tell me that atoms don't exists or what they do.

So in other words, you have never done any testing yourself to prove the existence of atoms?

Debunking of atomism? He thinks he can explain such a complex matter with a quote on marbles and basketballs? Ridicules to say the least.

What is ridiculous is the notion that a supposed cluster of electrons, protons, and neutrons are going to magically transform into completely different matter if arranged differently. At the end of the day you would still just have electrons, protons, and neutrons. No smooth taking or pseudo scientific babble is going to change that fact.

Face the objective truth. Electrons, protons, and neutrons are electrons, protons, and neutrons. No matter how many you have or how they are arranged they are still just electrons, protons, and neutrons. I only see the possibility for 3 substances in that model. But obviously we have hundreds of different substances.

Many processes need a form of activation with use of a catalyst, need purification or even more complex processes, it's not just drop all the stuff in a bucket and voilà, some processes need dozens of steps to get the right configuration of molecules. If he really wants to show that there aren't any atoms he will have to devise a test to do so, merely saying so is just not gonna cut it.

But you merely saying that atoms do exist does cut it? Hypocrite.

Even the most common processes use atoms to actually work, how else for instance would a photographic negative turn out?

I saw this on Myth Busters. The absence of light, a base, and an acid. This process does not in any way prove that atoms exist.

Not by some Godly work but simply because you convert silverhalide atoms into silver atoms by means of a developer and in the second phase being disolved by the fixer you use thus creating a negative image.

There are only 3 possible substances if we use the atomic theory. So according to you silver and silver halide makes two. What is the third substance? Water? I guess everything else is made out of silver and silver halide?

Without atomic interaction such a manouvre would not be possible.

Appearently, it would. Because there is no such thing as an atom.

but maybe all this is beyond your grasp and you don't understand it, so you are simply deny something you don't understand.
It is beyond everyones' understanding because it contradicts reality itself. You cannot comprehend that which is incomprehensible. You read about atoms in some scientific journal and made a choice to blindly believe in them without any proof other than some scientist's say so.
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Default Re: THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER - SATAN'S STARGATE! - 09-08-2008, 11:39 PM

Never seen molecules, eh? Well if you care to step this way,

A Naphthalocyanine molecule image taken with an electron microscope (works on the same principles as an optical microscope): http://www.vladimirpetkovic.com/blog...8/22262wss.jpg (NOT A COMPUTER GENERATED IMAGE)

But I guess some of you don't believe in microscopes...Really, you do make me giggle (not with you),

And an image of some bacteria (actually this is a strange image posted on a blog): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2191/...fc809a88_o.jpg

Or `micro demons' as you seem to like calling them - ho,ho,ho...

Also, a quick thought on your `proof' against the atomic model: Yes, matter is made out of different re-arrangements of the same things (protons, neutrons and electrons) - but why should a different arrangement have the same properties? Butter, cheese, and cream are all made from exactly the same thing, but you wouldn't make coffee and put cheese in it. Well, maybe some of you do...

Also, you may not know this, but the computer you are using to read this message was built by scientists using the atomic model in it's most explicit and sophisticated form. If the atomic model was wrong, the computer wouldn't work...


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Never seen molecules, eh? Well if you care to step this way,

A Naphthalocyanine molecule image taken with an electron microscope (works on the same principles as an optical microscope): http://www.vladimirpetkovic.com/blog...8/22262wss.jpg (NOT A COMPUTER GENERATED IMAGE)


So this fuzzy piece of crap is your "proof" of molecules?? It looks like a kitchen light taken out of focus. Do you think we're a bunch of idiots? If molecules exist show me a picture of you holding some in your hands. Got a web cam?
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Default Re: THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER - SATAN'S STARGATE! - 09-09-2008, 12:11 AM

Just in case you're wondering why I say that a computer requires the atomic theory of matter: http://www.howstuffworks.com/diode.htm . How do you explain that? Here's the picture: Thousand of the world's brightest scientists spend decades trying to work out and discover the atomic theory - they are finally able to make a device (a computer) PURELY on the basis of that theory - with the aim of making mankinds life easier. Et voila! The device works exactly as they predicted. Some time later a confused individual turns on such a machine and posts an electron-ic message on a massive worldwide network of these machines in which he claims that the atomic theory of matter is clearly rubbish, because it can't be explained in terms of basketballs and marbles. I don't know why scientists bother *rolls eyes*.
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Default Re: THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER - SATAN'S STARGATE! - 09-09-2008, 12:14 AM

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So this fuzzy piece of crap is your "proof" of molecules?? It looks like a kitchen light taken out of focus. Do you think we're a bunch of idiots? If molecules exist show me a picture of you holding some in your hands. Got a web cam?

Okay, so because it's fuzzy, that makes it less of a molecule then? I assure you, it's not a kitchen light. Do you believe in microscopes?
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Oh my! Its not another one of those gay carebears that use to be so popular is it?

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This could really be anything kiddo.


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Default Re: THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER - SATAN'S STARGATE! - 09-09-2008, 12:23 AM

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So this fuzzy piece of crap is your "proof" of molecules?? It looks like a kitchen light taken out of focus. Do you think we're a bunch of idiots? If molecules exist show me a picture of you holding some in your hands. Got a web cam?

As requested, here I hold in my hand about 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules, sorry there might be one or two missing, I lost count after the first 100,000,000,000,000,000.
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As requested, here I hold in my hand about 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules, sorry there might be one or two missing, I lost count after the first 100,000,000,000,000,000.
That's very funny. Are you retarded?
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Default Re: THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER - SATAN'S STARGATE! - 09-09-2008, 12:28 AM

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Oh my! Its not another one of those gay carebears that use to be so popular is it?

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This could really be anything kiddo.

Well, yeah, people do have a tendency to identify new concepts with comfortable ones . Take a good look though, minus the care bear, this is a molecule. Get used to the idea, it's useful.
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Just in case you're wondering why I say that a computer requires the atomic theory of matter: http://www.howstuffworks.com/diode.htm
Everybody knows how a semi-conductor works, I don't need hundreds of scientists working together to tell me how. You plug the damn thing in. For smaller electronics you use batteries.
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No, I counted, really...
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Take a good look though, minus the care bear, this is a molecule. Get used to the idea, it's useful.
That's a care bear. How can you say it's a molecule? As a matter of fact, how do you know what a molecule looks like when you keep telling everybody they're invisible? What kind of idiots would believe in something that you can't see?
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Everybody knows how a semi-conductor works, I don't need hundreds of scientists working together to tell me how. You plug the damn thing in. For smaller electronics you use batteries.
Okay, make one for me from scratch. No shops allowed.
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That's a care bear. How can you say it's a molecule? As a matter of fact, how do you know what a molecule looks like when you keep telling everybody they're invisible? What kind of idiots would believe in something that you can't see?

Like I said - do you believe in microscopes?
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You show me a molecule first. No pictures allowed.
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Default Re: THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER - SATAN'S STARGATE! - 09-09-2008, 12:40 AM

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Like I said - do you believe in microscopes?
So you believe the microscope tells you the truth; do you talk to crystal balls as well?
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Default Re: THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER - SATAN'S STARGATE! - 09-09-2008, 12:42 AM

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So you believe the microscope tells you the truth; do you talk to crystal balls as well?
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Default Re: THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER - SATAN'S STARGATE! - 09-09-2008, 12:45 AM

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You show me a molecule first. No pictures allowed.
Ah, ah, ah, no, I asked first. It's only polite.
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Default Re: THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER - SATAN'S STARGATE! - 09-09-2008, 12:48 AM

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Ah, ah, ah, no, I asked first. It's only polite.
I'm not the one claiming molecules exist. Semi-conductors exist, I admit that. Where did I ever say I could build one?
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