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10-12-2010, 04:43 PM
So because she lives in Russia, it automatically makes her a communist. And what is the purpose of saying she tortures dogs, you don't know her. where is the logic in that. "Judge not lest ye be judged" "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." did you forget about that. Why is it that atheists are more tolerable of Christians than Christians are of everybody else. Morals are not only for the religious, moral is a value of society. Atheists have morals and a lot of the time hold their morals and values closer and tighter than the Christians
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10-12-2010, 04:56 PM
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So because she lives in Russia, it automatically makes her a communist.
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Duh! Why else would someone be living in Russia.
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Why is it that atheists are more tolerable of Christians than Christians are of everybody else.
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Because we are right and everyone else is wrong. Being tolerant is the same as being wrong.
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"Judge not lest ye be judged" "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." did you forget about that.
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No. But I live by the entire Bible, not just the fluffy parts.
Why we must judge you to save your soul:
- Leviticus 19:15 "In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."
- John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
- 2nd Timothy 4:1-2 "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine."
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No. Atheists do not believe in Hell so they are immoral and kill children and have anal sex all the time.
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10-12-2010, 05:00 PM
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No. As atheists falsely believe (or claim to believe) that they will not go to Hell, there is no reason for them to have morals.
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There are reasons to have so.
It seems like people like you only apply morals to yourselves just because you don't want to end up in Hell. I don't care if I end up in hell, I just want to be good to others and enjoy life with the people I love and just be a part of an ever expanding great society.
I think people like you only think about yourselves, arrogance much?
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10-12-2010, 05:58 PM
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There are reasons to have so.
It seems like people like you only apply morals to yourselves just because you don't want to end up in Hell. I don't care if I end up in hell, I just want to be good to others and enjoy life with the people I love and just be a part of an ever expanding great society.
I think people like you only think about yourselves, arrogance much?
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Don't be silly. If there weren't the threat of Hell we Christians would be out lying to people to get as much money as we could from them while torturing and murdering anyone who disagreed with us. We Christians KNOW God exists because we feel Him in our hearts! You atheists feel God too, you just lie about it. Prove me wrong.
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10-12-2010, 06:17 PM
I personally have never felt god and don't think i ever will. And where is the proof that we atheists feel god in our hearts. There is no proof. Either way this argument can not be resolved. why would you waste your time bashing on us. Christians really are intolerant of anything they don't like. I as an atheist do not like money,and i wouldn't torture or murder anyone that disagrees with me; I only want the best for the world and the people in it and that includes the intolerant Christians like your selves. In the history of mankind there have been thousands of gods that have been thought up, so what makes your god the right god. The similarity between these gods is the fact that all the followers believed their god was the only correct god or gods.
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10-12-2010, 06:36 PM
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Well im sorry i appear ignorant, and maybe i am about the capital letters it is a bit disrespectful. My morals are a compilation of the morals set in christian, Buddhist, and Jewish religions.
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So, you admit that atheist morals actually come from God. You atheists are nothing but freeloaders on this Christian nation.
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so my morals are not allowing innocent children to be killed, like Rev. M. Rodimer thinks. But i guess that shows the ignorance of some people.
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You haven't explained your "morals" to us. So what are they? Do you donate all your money to feed starving children in other countries?
If not, your morals DO include allowing innocent children to be killed through wholly-preventable starvation.
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10-12-2010, 06:48 PM
There are certainly reasons to have morals if you don't believe in God. Why is killing someone wrong? Because you understand that to kill someone is to rob them of their future and to deeply hurt the people that love them. Also, killing someone is ingrained as an evil in our minds because it is detrimental to the survival of a group as a whole. Also, to kill someone makes you an outcast, a murderer, a demon. Your social image and standing is decreased, almost to the point of nonexistence. I think all of these are good reasons not to kill someone, and none of them require a belief in God.
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10-12-2010, 06:59 PM
No those are my personal morals and those religions were created by man, not god. My morals are the morals of humans. By the way this is not a Christian nation it is the nation of freedom. That means freedom to believe what i want and practice what i wish. And yes i give my money when i can. I've even given my money to the church to help but if i don't have the minimal amount of money to help my self then how would i be able to help others. I am well on my way to being a M.D. and that is how i plan to help people with what i believe. my morals consist of doing what is right not just for my self but for everyone else in the world. I don't even like people wasting food, do you know why? It's cause i hate the idea of countless people starving and dying of disease. I am doing all i can to help and even though I'm an atheist and don't follow the word of god, i do what i can to help this world and the people in it. Do you give all your money to help the starving children in third world countries or are you only focused on ours and helping your self?
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10-12-2010, 07:14 PM
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There are certainly reasons to have morals if you don't believe in God. Why is killing someone wrong? Because you understand that to kill someone is to rob them of their future and to deeply hurt the people that love them. Also, killing someone is ingrained as an evil in our minds because it is detrimental to the survival of a group as a whole. Also, to kill someone makes you an outcast, a murderer, a demon. Your social image and standing is decreased, almost to the point of nonexistence. I think all of these are good reasons not to kill someone, and none of them require a belief in God.
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What does it matter if they are "just animals" like you atheists claim and there is no eternal reward for treating people good? Sure in public you might pretend to be nice while running scams to steal money from widows and orphans, but with no reward for being God why would anyone do it?
Hell gives meaning to life.
If it wasn't for Hell our preachers would just be like any other cult leader; fleecing their brainwashed followers out of hearth and home, take sexual advantage of the more gullible members while indulging in the occasional murder. As you can see, not Christian pastor does that so God exists!
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10-12-2010, 07:28 PM
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What does it matter if they are "just animals" like you atheists claim and there is no eternal reward for treating people good? Sure in public you might pretend to be nice while running scams to steal money from widows and orphans, but with no reward for being God why would anyone do it?
Hell gives meaning to life.
If it wasn't for Hell our preachers would just be like any other cult leader; fleecing their brainwashed followers out of hearth and home, take sexual advantage of the more gullible members while indulging in the occasional murder. As you can see, not Christian pastor does that so God exists!
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This shows the true mentality of most Christians.
You guys keep telling us that we atheists still believe in something or else we'd just be doing immoral things. Fact is, we simply don't believe in anything. Why would we lie about this? We don't, if we believed in something we would simply become a christian or whatever we are comfortable with and the thing we are comfortable with is believing in nothing superstitious. I for a fact believe in friendship, society and cooperation.
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10-12-2010, 07:30 PM
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What does it matter if they are "just animals" like you atheists claim and there is no eternal reward for treating people good? Sure in public you might pretend to be nice while running scams to steal money from widows and orphans, but with no reward for being God why would anyone do it?
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Humans are animals, but we also have sentience and higher reasoning capabilities. And I never stated I was an atheist. I am an agnostic that is trying his best to have faith but is finding it difficult.
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Hell gives meaning to life.
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As do the people who come after me the time I have is precious to me because of the people I love.
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If it wasn't for Hell our preachers would just be like any other cult leader; fleecing their brainwashed followers out of hearth and home, take sexual advantage of the more gullible members while indulging in the occasional murder. As you can see, not Christian pastor does that so God exists!
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What about other branches of Christianity? They have hell too, but are they wrong?
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10-12-2010, 07:35 PM
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And I never stated I was an atheist. I am an agnostic that is trying his best to have faith but is finding it difficult.
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You are both an atheist and an agnostic.
Atheist = has no belief in God
Agnostic = has no knowledge of God
Edit: Actually, you know there's a God, you just think you don't.
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10-12-2010, 07:44 PM
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You are both an atheist and an agnostic.
Atheist = has no belief in God
Agnostic = has no knowledge of God
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Atheism requires active nonbelief or an active rejection of God.
I am using the term agnostic in the sense that I am suspending judgement. I do not actively reject the idea of God, and I am also open to it.
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10-12-2010, 07:49 PM
Why is it that you cant just accept our way of living? If it is really that bothersome to you why don't you just kill us off. The old testament did say kill those who believe differently than you. Not to mention you religion is pagan based, so do you not like pagans either? Did you know your modern day description of hell comes from the poem Dante's inferno, not the bible?
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10-12-2010, 08:34 PM
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Why is it that you cant just accept our way of living? If it is really that bothersome to you why don't you just kill us off. The old testament did say kill those who believe differently than you. Not to mention you religion is pagan based, so do you not like pagans either? Did you know your modern day description of hell comes from the poem Dante's inferno, not the bible?
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Really?
Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
Proverbs 27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.
Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Luke 16:20-26 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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10-12-2010, 08:42 PM
Oh a few others that I missed.
Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Mark 9:47-48 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
But sure, Milton made it all up, heck I'll bet according to you atheists, Hell isn't even MENTIONED in the Bible! dam uz kristins r stupid rnt wez.
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Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth -
10-12-2010, 09:05 PM
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No those are my personal morals and those religions were created by man, not god. My morals are the morals of humans.
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Whether you believe that the religion came from God or from man, you still got your morals from religion. So, how do you choose WHICH morals to pick from religions?
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Of course not! I don't give a dime to feed starving children in third world countries. I'm a True Christian™!
God knows everything and is all powerful. Therefore, He knows that millions of little children are starving to death, and more are dying of dysentery from dirty water (basically, shitting themselves to death). He doesn't do anything to fix it, so it must be His Will.
They are getting what God wants them to have. Who am I to interfere?
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Atheism requires active nonbelief or an active rejection of God.
I am using the term agnostic in the sense that I am suspending judgement. I do not actively reject the idea of God, and I am also open to it.
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You are misunderstanding the words you use. Allow me to explain for you:
Atheist and agnostic are on different "spectrums" of belief and knowledge.
"Atheist" is the opposite of "theist". A theist believes in a god or gods. An atheist does not. That is the only thing "atheist" means. It does not mean actively disbelieving, or wanting to eliminate religion; that latter is an "antitheist". An atheist does not have an active belief or have to take any particular stance other than not considering the available "evidence" adequate to substantiate claims of a superior being's existence.
Imagine someone who collects stamps, someone who doesn't collect stamps, and someone who actively rejects all stamps. The stampist, the a-stampist, and the anti-stampist.
"Agnostic" is the opposite of "gnostic". A gnostic believes that we can/do know the nature of God. An agnostic believes that we cannot/do not know the nature of God. (I've never heard of an anti-gnostic, but I imagine such a person would think we shouldn't try to figure out God's nature.) Most atheists are "agnostic atheists". They don't actively believe in any god, and don't believe we have the ability to know the nature of any god should one exist.
Many "spiritual" people, like New Age twit Oprah, are "agnostic theists" who believe in and worship "something out there" but don't know what.
True Christians™ are "gnostic theists", because we know the nature of God (through the Bible) and know He exists.
This concludes your vocabulary lesson. Use your newfound knowledge well, Grasshopper. And learn to love Jesus before you die and spend eternity burning in God's Lake of Fire.
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Why is it that you cant just accept our way of living?
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Excuse me, who registered on the Christian church's private forum to attack and insult whom?
Hypocrite.
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Did you know your modern day description of hell comes from the poem Dante's inferno, not the bible?
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My congregation follows a strict Biblical depiction of Hell. Massive lake of fire created by God. Sinners cast into it. Burn forever, never die.
See Revelation. There it is.
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Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth -
10-12-2010, 10:14 PM
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Atheism requires active nonbelief or an active rejection of God.
I am using the term agnostic in the sense that I am suspending judgement. I do not actively reject the idea of God, and I am also open to it.
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You are the lamest poster I have seen here for a long time.
Only a complete loser goes around the internet clarifying whether they are an atheist or an agnostic. You are a Satan worshiper. You hate God. What is the difference?
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10-12-2010, 10:31 PM
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You are the lamest poster I have seen here for a long time.
Only a complete loser goes around the internet clarifying whether they are an atheist or an agnostic. You are a Satan worshiper. You hate God. What is the difference?
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Probably an atheist likes to have butt sex and an agnostic likes to give butt sex. It's all butt sex but this is the kind of word games the unsaved play.
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10-13-2010, 01:17 PM
I didn't register here to attack Christians it is for the educational value. and i said description not mention pay attention to the words. i am an atheist that wont change and if I'm wrong and god is real that is OK with me cause i lived life the way i believe is right. im not going to try to change your beliefs that would be wasting my time. i live my way you live yours why is it so hard to just get along. And to be a Satan worshiper you still have to believe in a higher power, which i do not.
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