[Tits_Ftw]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

More scientific mumbo jumbo. We've already established that the sun is basically a huge lump of burning coal. So how come coal doesn't do all these things as well? That's the hole in your theory.

Because coal is in the solid state, and is burning at 2000 degrees Farenheit. While the matter in the Sun is in the plasma state, producing heat at 27 million degrees Farenheit. Therefore the coal is not hot enough to be in the plasma state, so it can't do the same as the sun

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by Tits_Ftw

LOL, this has nothing to do with Star Trek. Your going to believe in some long haired hippie? There is more proof that god isnt real then proof that he is real.

Really, please show me this proof. I'll be waiting on the edge of my seat

And the fact that you think Jesus has long hair proves to me you are an ignoramus who has never touched a Bible, so why should I bother listening to your unsaved opinion? http://www.albatrus.org/english/livi...hair_beard.htm

[Androgynous]

We don't need to touch the bible. it is pure fiction.

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by Androgynous

We don't need to touch the bible. it is pure fiction.

My, this unsaved trash gets stupider every day.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by Androgynous

We don't need to touch the bible. it is pure fiction.

If so, then why does the Bible attest to its truthfulness of being inspired by God?

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[Androgynous]

You find it funny that you're living your life under a real character?

And reverend, whoever wrote the bible, as fiction, can easily create a character as reason to write such a silly book.

In a few hundred years time, maybe harry potter will become a new religion and dumbledore will be god!

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by Androgynous

In a few hundred years time, maybe harry potter will become a new religion and dumbledore will be god!

Harry Potter is already a religion that worships Satan instead of Jesus.

Do you have a point, missy?

[Androgynous]

harry potter is not a religion.. it is a real book that is read for entertainment.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by Androgynous

harry potter is not a religion.. it is a real book that is read for entertainment.

Oh please, spare us your excuses. Harry Potter is essentially a witchcraft manual for children. It teaches them how to do spells and engage in deals with the devil under the guise of "entertainment".

[Androgynous]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Oh please, spare us your excuses. Harry Potter is essentially a witchcraft manual for children. It teaches them how to do spells and engage in deals with the devil under the guise of "entertainment".

If you were smart enough sir, you would realise there is no such thing as magic and spells.

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by Androgynous

If you were smart enough sir, you would realise there is no such thing as magic and spells.

I know many Wiccans who would disagree with you.

So does the Bible.

Are you intolerant of all religions?

[Uncle Ruckus]

Wow, what's next they are going to say we're made out of element when it clearly states in the BIBLE we are made out of clay.

[Scarecrow Katie]

I'm sorry but, are you guys for real? Like is this site one big satíre or something, or are you really serious about this? All this?

First of all, to clear up your little mis-understandings with us evolving from primates and also coming from stars, what the man in the video is attempting to say, is as follows:

Through astronomical and deep space observation, using spectral analysis and so forth, it has become apparent that about 70% of the universe is made of hydrogen. Hydrogen itself is the lightest element, it only has one proton in its nucleus, and an electron 'orbiting' that.

Helium, the second lightest element, holding two protons and an electron, occupies about 29% of the rest of the known universe. These are very basic astronomical facts so keep with me here.

Now, it has been proven through observational data, that our sun is a giant mix of Hydrogen, Helium, Carbon, Oxygen, Argon, Iron etc. and I know you probably haven't studied science too much, so this may confuse you because you wonder how elements such as Carbon and Iron could be part of a burning hot ball of gas. So first of all we'll start with how they're made.

Well, stars are created through a very specific process where clouds of mainly Hydrogen, and small traces of other elements (these other elements, can turn out to form planets and the like) come together.

They are usually found in what we call nebulae, and these nebulae (which are clouds of these clouds of gas mentioned earlier), usually just float around minding their own business in space. Here's an image of a classic nebulae:

http://www.ecodigerati.com/content/p...n%20Nebula.jpg

But when the nebula's part of the galaxy reaches an area of increased gravitional density and intensity (yes, our galaxy rotates), this extra stress can often cause the cloud to collapse in on itself. As the nebulae becomes denser and more compact, the gravitational stress is too much and it splits apart, usually in to many different smaller masses of gas.

These smaller (well, actually, they're huge) masses of gas condense down in to ball shapes, their gravitational pull causing it to implode on itself. Eventually they become balls of rotating gas, and once the core is compact enough (compressing matter makes it hotter, FYI) it reaches a temperature of about 5000 degrees Celsius.

This is hot enough to spark fusion. A process where matter loses its bonds to its electrons, the only things that repel atoms from each other when they come close (because of electromagnetic charge). So now they are protons flying around by themselves, with no electrons, or 'shields'. This is called a state of plasma.

Now at 5000 degrees, the atoms are moving pretty damn fast. 10,000km/s in fact, and when they collide they collide with enough force to fuse together.

Remember how I said Hydrogen is one proton? And helium is two? Yup well hydrogen in plasma state, fusing together, makes helium. This is how lighter elements fuse in to heavier elements inside stars.

Helium can go on to fuse in to heavier stuff such as carbon, and oxygen etc.

Stars usually last around something like 10 billion years on average, before running out of lighter elements. The core is iron by then, as iron is the heaviest element created in a star (an atomic mass of about 50 or something, which means 50 atomic particles fused together inside the nucleus).

Then, I'm going to make this really simple; the star runs out of fuel.. the fusion process stops, the star collapses, the atoms inside reach critical density, causing a HUGE explosions and expulsion of gasses and minerals.

So all those heavier elements it was making in its entire lifetime, just got blown away, at almost the speed of light. They will collect together in other nearby nebulas, and when a star is created inside that nebula, it will have previous heavy elements from dead stars inside it.

The whole process starts again, but this time, it has heavy elements. This time, when the new star is a rotating mass of hydrogen, helium and heavier elements, the circumferential force (force of gravity acting on different materials differently according to their mass) splits the lighter and heavier elements apart.

Heavier elements, such as iron, end up orbiting the hot ball of gas in the middle of this new solar system. The little bits of iron start clumping up, forming larger masses. Before you know it, they get gravitational pulls of their own, increasing the rate at which they build up.

You get planets.

Now, after millions of years of bombardment by meteors, the planet surface cools down. These meteors all have ice in them (look up what meteors are made of, if you don't believe me), this adds water to our planet.

One of you wanted to know how a life emerged from lifeless rock, I think it's better I don't try to explain it as that's not my field. But here, watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8nYTJf62sE

By the way, scientists HAVE been able to make life in a lab. Starting with non-living ingredients, and ending up with self replicating life. Though I just can't find a link to prove it, so don't take my word for it sorry.

Anyway, some of the threads here are just so ridiculous, I'm starting to think you're all just trolling.

Oh and please..

Wow, what's next they are going to say we're made out of element when it clearly states in the BIBLE we are made out of clay.

So the Bible says we're made out of clay? Okay anybody who knows what clay is should disagree, lol. Anyway, so the bible says it aye? Who says the bible is correct? God? Who says God is correct? The bible?

Get over yourselves. It's just all one big loop, you have nothing but a book and blind faith. Which is nothing to be proud of. Btw, I know I'll probably be banned or something just for going against your beliefs, but that shows just how insecure you all are.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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[John Scopes]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Very long but scientifically accurate info deleted for brevity

As a fellow scientist I find your efforts laudable. However, most people in this place, and home-schooled Baptists in general, did not make it beyond the 8th grade and consequently may not appreciate them.

From an evolutionary standpoint this is a fascinating environment. Development for many here was arrested many generations ago, and as such is my current subject of study.

As a courtesy you might want to go to the introduction forum and tell them about yourself. You may use crayons, and draw pictures if needed.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

[...]By the way, scientists HAVE been able to make life in a lab. [...]

Probably left a cheese sandwich on a windowsill...

[True Disciple]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow Katie

Now, it has been proven through observational data, that our sun is a giant mix of Hydrogen, Helium, Carbon, Oxygen, Argon, Iron etc.

Unbiblical rubbish. Observational data? A True Christian™ pointed earlier in this thread to the fact that no scientist ever collected a sample of solar material to study. How can you know what a place looks like if you haven't even been there? Truth is, you apply some wild speculation to a couple of lines in a solar spectrum, as if these had anything to say about so-called "elements" being present in the sun, but the solar spectrum is simply a gift of God to humanity, and spectral analysis a liberal hoax

---Enormous amount of text, using the discredited theories of gravity, relativity, quantum mechanics, matter, old earth ect, ignoring all Biblical facts, to end up with a fairytale that is still unprovable---

You make my head hurt with your stupid conjectures. Go find yourself a more constructive thing to do!

By the way, scientists HAVE been able to make life in a lab. Starting with non-living ingredients, and ending up with self replicating life. Though I just can't find a link to prove it, so don't take my word for it sorry.

Not very believable. Even that godless communist Richard Dawkins admits that he doesn't know how life started, and you claim to know? Show me a True Creation Scientific link to prove it, and we can talk. As long as you fail to do so, I consider your post to be a rather pathetic case of "Scienceknowsit!!!" to cover up your appalling ignorance.

Who says the bible is correct? God? Who says God is correct? The bible?

Yes, indeed. Our logic is quite sound, in contrast to yours.

[SkeptiCobey]

To tie up a loose end, you don't have to get a sample of the sun to know what it is made of, you just have to use a spectrometer and look at the light. Duuuhhhhh

[Jed_Cassidy]

Originally Posted by SkeptiCobey

To tie up a loose end, you don't have to get a sample of the sun to know what it is made of, you just have to read the Bible. Duuuhhhhh

Fixed your post, kid.

[chirstiyen]

the evolutionists are funny