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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 09-25-2014, 09:55 PM

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Well actually you are wrong. Gravity puts a force on every object. a 10kg weight and a 5kg weight 5 10 meters above the ground will hit the ground at the same time due to the acceleration imposed on it.

f=ma force = mass*acceleration.

the 10 weight will have more force on it than the 5kg but it will still accelerate at 9.8 meters per second^2. It is just simple math...
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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 09-27-2014, 08:21 PM

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Well actually you are wrong. Gravity puts a force on every object. a 10kg weight and a 5kg weight 5 10 meters above the ground will hit the ground at the same time due to the acceleration imposed on it.

f=ma force = mass*acceleration.

the 10 weight will have more force on it than the 5kg but it will still accelerate at 9.8 meters per second^2. It is just simple math...
So, if you're so smart, tell me this: if a 10kg weight is released 10 meters above your head, how long will it take before your God-mocking soul arrives in Hell?


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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-01-2016, 12:37 PM

Hmmm...


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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-01-2016, 04:40 PM

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Hmmm...
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Go ahead. Do it. Shock everyone by showing you can imitate conversing like an educated human.


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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-02-2016, 09:41 PM

Guys, this maybe false as it comes from the liberal internet, but maybe one of your men, can see for yourselves, Isaac Newton was extremely unorthodox.

1: He did not believe in the holy trinity, he did believe Jesus was the son of God but did not think He was God Himself.


2: Practiced Alchemy


3: Did not believe in Satan or demons.
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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-02-2016, 09:59 PM

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Guys, this maybe false as it comes from the liberal internet, but maybe one of your men, can see for yourselves, Isaac Newton was extremely unorthodox.

1: He did not believe in the holy trinity, he did believe Jesus was the son of God but did not think He was God Himself.

2: Practiced Alchemy

3: Did not believe in Satan or demons.
Cite your sources. Unsupported claims are ignored* here.

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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-02-2016, 10:20 PM

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blah blah blah...Isaac Newton was extremely unorthodox... blah blah blah
That's okay. Jesus doesn't mind using evil to accomplish His Will (cf. Habakkuk 1:5-11). Not only does Jesus control evil, but He creates it (Isaiah 45:7). Those who Love and Fear God however, will be blessed in the aftermath, even as others suffer (assuming that is His Purpose for them; Romans 8:28). Jesus blessed us with scientific proof of His Majestic Existence, and He used an evil, arrogant heathen - who is suffering right this moment in Hell to the Glory of God - to do so.



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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-02-2016, 10:36 PM

That is true, Mary, though I thought it was quite hurtful how you quoted me? I know it is not my place to say and I don't think you are mad at me, though I'm sensitive, but I've gotten better then my younger days.
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...These are just ones I googled minus wikipedia...
Your first two links are Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a source (Wikipedia's sources may be cited, tho).

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Oh, you mean we'll get the sources at the same time you make your claims, and not in a huge, disorganized list of links with no clarification as to which links provide support for which claims, that I suppose we're then expected to dig through to find the nuggets (...and disregard all of the times that your list of sources contradicts each other on your various claims)?

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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-02-2016, 11:13 PM

NO I used to read up a lot on Isaac Newton, I just didn't save anything I've read, like I said I do plane on doing this in the future with history.
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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-02-2016, 11:22 PM

"Wikipedia's sources may be cited, tho" and I did that, and some stuff I found.


1:http://galileo.rice.edu/Catalog/NewFiles/newton.html
2:http://www.toriah.org/articles/snobelen-1999-1.pdf
3:http://www.newtonproject.sussex.ac.uk/prism.php?id=82&cat=Alchemy
4:http://discovermagazine.com/2010/jul...mous-alchemist
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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-15-2016, 06:58 AM

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Well, actually you are wrong.

If you drop 5 lbs of feathers and a 10 lbs sledgehammer from the same height at the same time, the sledgehammer will hit the ground first every time.

Second, you just proved that gravity has to be controlled by an intelligent and omniscient being, how could gravity know that it should push down an object with a double weight twice as hard? The only reasonable explanation is that God knows instantly what the weight of each object is and uses exactly the right amount of gravity to make them all fall at the correct speed.
Actually YOU are, on multiple accounts. The sledgehammer will not hit the ground first because in the equation: f = ma. Since the sledgehammer has more mass, it has less acceleration. The relationship between mass and acceleration (toward earth) always equals 9.8 m/s (gravity). Try watching a video on Khan Academy about that.


Also, it proves nothing about an omnipotent being. The gravitational constant was determined at the Planck epoch (10^-43 seconds after the big bang), when it was too hot for the other 3 fundamental interactions to exist. It was determined by random quantum fluctuations and its value determined the value of the weak, strong, and electromagnetic forces. I'm not saying the before the Big Bang it was entirely impossible for an omnipotent god to have programmed all fluctuations so gravity had the value it does, therefore giving rise to the exact universe we live in.


It might be helpful to understand quantum mechanics and cosmology (or at least high school physics) before you argue with scientifically literate atheists. There is no excuse for believing heavy things fall faster than lighter ones.
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Bible Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-15-2016, 07:30 AM

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Actually YOU are, on multiple accounts. The sledgehammer will not hit the ground first because in the equation: f = ma. Since the sledgehammer has more mass, it has less acceleration. The relationship between mass and acceleration (toward earth) always equals 9.8 m/s (gravity). Try watching a video on Khan Academy about that.

Also, it proves nothing about an omnipotent being. The gravitational constant was determined at the Planck epoch (10^-43 seconds after the big bang), when it was too hot for the other 3 fundamental interactions to exist. It was determined by random quantum fluctuations and its value determined the value of the weak, strong, and electromagnetic forces. I'm not saying the before the Big Bang it was entirely impossible for an omnipotent god to have programmed all fluctuations so gravity had the value it does, therefore giving rise to the exact universe we live in.

It might be helpful to understand quantum mechanics and cosmology (or at least high school physics) before you argue with scientifically literate atheists. There is no excuse for believing heavy things fall faster than lighter ones.
Dear Sinner,

I do suggest you drop feathers and a sledgehammer at the same time (e.g., from the Tower of Pisa) and actually observe, which one will hit the ground first. I also do know that there is air resistance but that does not change the outcome.

Next: Planck epoch was not at 10−43 seconds but between 0 and 10−43 seconds. If you are scientifically literate, please be also precise. Obviously, the Standard Model is atheist fiction but that does not mean that we should be ignorant of it.

Next: temperature estimates and fundamental interactions. It is assumed (again, in the atheist mind frame) that three the four fundamental interactions would be unified under electronuclear force immediately after the Planck epoch at temperatures higher than 1027 K, and before that gravity would have been unified with the others, as well. It does not mean that it would "have been too hot" for the other interactions to exist but that they were not separate while still existing. To say that the relative strengths of the other 3 fundamental interactions was determined by gravity, you'd need a theory of quantum gravity, and that would obviously be most welcome to the atheist physicist and I heartily encourage you to lay out its basic theorems here. In addition, if you have the time, you might be able to assess any possible inter-dependency of the 19 currently hypothesized physical constants.

Next: God. You will not find Him in the physics book but in the Bible. As you can see, the physicist atheists have only a mysterious "quantum gravity" to offer. There is, however, a well-documented phenomenon, a manifestation of everything that is relevant, that explains the origin of the Earth and the Firmament (Genesis 1:6) in a much more elegant manner.

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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-15-2016, 08:00 AM

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Dear Sinner,

I do suggest you drop feathers and a sledgehammer at the same time (e.g., from the Tower of Pisa) and actually observe, which one will hit the ground first. I also do know that there is air resistance but that does not change the outcome.

Next: Planck epoch was not at 10−43 seconds but between 0 and 10−43 seconds. If you are scientifically literate, please be also precise. Obviously, the Standard Model is atheist fiction but that does not mean that we should be ignorant of it.

Next: temperature estimates and fundamental interactions. It is assumed (again, in the atheist mind frame) that three the four fundamental interactions would be unified under electronuclear force immediately after the Planck epoch at temperatures higher than 1027 K, and before that gravity would have been unified with the others, as well. It does not mean that it would "have been too hot" for the other interactions to exist but that they were not separate while still existing. To say that the relative strengths of the other 3 fundamental interactions was determined by gravity, you'd need a theory of quantum gravity, and that would obviously be most welcome to the atheist physicist and I heartily encourage you to lay out its basic theorems here. In addition, if you have the time, you might be able to assess any possible inter-dependency of the 19 currently hypothesized physical constants.

Next: God. You will not find Him in the physics book but in the Bible. As you can see, the physicist atheists have only a mysterious "quantum gravity" to offer. There is, however, a well-documented phenomenon, a manifestation of everything that is relevant, that explains the origin of the Earth and the Firmament (Genesis 1:6) in a much more elegant manner.
First I would like to thank you for pointing out my error (and responding in an intelligent manner), you are correct in saying the Planck epoch began at the beginning of time.


I would like to point out though, that they were not unified as the electromagnetic force, since it was discovered that photons could not exist until the temperature cooled to about 1 million degrees Kelvin (I don't know where you got your value of 1027 K). The forces were originally unified under gravity, according to the new model. IT was the first force to break symmetry, since Higgs boson gave particles mass at time 0, and gravity is a result of mass (then came the electromagnetic and weak forces, finally strong).


Also, I would like to note that god does not exist in a physics textbook. Just as physics does not exist in the Bible. You can believe in the Big Bang model and still believe in a god, its a personal choice.
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Love Jesus Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-15-2016, 08:21 AM

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First I would like to thank you for pointing out my error (and responding in an intelligent manner), you are correct in saying the Planck epoch began at the beginning of time.

I would like to point out though, that they were not unified as the electromagnetic force, since it was discovered that photons could not exist until the temperature cooled to about 1 million degrees Kelvin (I don't know where you got your value of 1027 K). The forces were originally unified under gravity, according to the new model. IT was the first force to break symmetry, since Higgs boson gave particles mass at time 0, and gravity is a result of mass (then came the electromagnetic and weak forces, finally strong).

Also, I would like to note that god does not exist in a physics textbook. Just as physics does not exist in the Bible. You can believe in the Big Bang model and still believe in a god, its a personal choice.
Dear sinner, I appreciate your polite manner but not your straw man argument (bold typeface, my emphasis). I did not claim (based on the atheist scholars) anything about the electromagnetic force but mentioned the combination of weak, electromagnetic and strong interactions after the Planck time combined as electronuclear. Please reconsider your position after letting go of the straw man arguments. Nor did I mention that (again, based on atheist claims) all 4 interactions would be combined under the electromagnetic force but simply that they were unified while (in the atheist fiction) still existing in this unified form. Your chain of interactions separating is also a bit different from the standard atheist model, as they claim that after gravity it was the strong interaction that separated and the electromagnetic and weak forces (combined as the electroweak force) remained together after that and were the last to separate. How are we to trust you if you fail to check your facts?

Similarly, it is is necessary for you to gain some precision when discussing God, Jesus and the Bible. As I stated earlier, you cannot find Jesus in a book of physics (but I really recommend you read some of them, too, to get some precision), but all necessary physics exist in the Bible.

Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


Things would fly apart if it were not for Jesus. The atheists may call these things "gravity" of "dark matter" and the Enemy that tries to rip everything apart may be known as "dark matter" but we know that Jesus is not made of darkness but of light, he is the light of men!



John 1:4-5
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


That is the advanced physics of the Bible. Jesus is our light. He'll be the shining light in the New Earth very soon (Revelation 21:23).


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Default Re: Newton's Laws: PROOF that God is Real! - 08-15-2016, 08:52 AM

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...You can believe in the Big Bang model and still believe in a god, its a personal choice.
Sure, you can. But, as belief in the Big Bang model requires dismissing what the Bible claims as to the origins of the universe, you can no longer claim to be Christian.


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