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Default Re: God HATES Rational Thinking! - 11-20-2010, 06:23 AM

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If there weren't curious people out there, people who want to learn about the nature of God's world, you wouldn't have a television.
God invented it.

9The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.


Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.



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Default Re: God HATES Rational Thinking! - 11-20-2010, 06:25 AM

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Of course we would have still have television. God gives people the ability to create something. Just because God did not speak to a person directly does not mean He did not give them the idea.
Well, yes, but it still involved learning about photon refraction and radio waves. A person didn't suddenly know how to build a television because God gave them the idea. Instead, God probably inspired him to take university courses in physics and engineering. From there, God would have inspired him to experiment with what he learned to invent something new. All inventions require people to learn about how God's world works, and put pieces together to create the modern technology we have today.

In summary, all the of the modern medicine, electronics etc. that we have today wouldn't exist if people hadn't decided to explore and learn about nature, and the world.
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Well, yes, but it still involved learning about photon refraction and radio waves. A person didn't suddenly know how to build a television because God gave them the idea. Instead, God probably inspired him to take university courses in physics and engineering. From there, God would have inspired him to experiment with what he learned to invent something new. All inventions require people to learn about how God's world works, and put pieces together to create the modern technology we have today.

In summary, all the of the modern medicine, electronics etc. that we have today wouldn't exist if people hadn't decided to explore and learn about nature, and the world.
God will still assist someone to create something even if they do not have that knowledge. People have created things without going to university to study that one area.

I would like to point out to you the story of Babel and how God saw things;

Genesis 11:6-9
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

I would advise you to read the whole section.


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Default Re: God HATES Rational Thinking! - 11-20-2010, 06:40 AM

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God will still assist someone to create something even if they do not have that knowledge. People have created things without going to university to study that one area.

I would like to point out to you the story of Babel and how God saw things;

Genesis 11:6-9
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

I would advise you to read the whole section.

I don't understand why I received an infraction for my previous post.

If we didn't learn about how God created nature, then we couldn't build bridges, engineer cars or essentially have any of the nice privileges we have today. People don't just "know" how to invent these things. There are physically laws that must be understood. God did an amazing job when he created the universe perfectly, with comprehensible constants that make our understanding possible. Why is it wrong to appreciate God, and use the wisdom and tools He has given us to make our lives better? or to worship him better?
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Default Re: God HATES Rational Thinking! - 11-20-2010, 06:42 AM

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I don't understand why I received an infraction for my previous post.

If we didn't learn about how God created nature, then we couldn't build bridges, engineer cars or essentially have any of the nice privileges we have today. People don't just "know" how to invent these things. There are physically laws that must be understood. God did an amazing job when he created the universe perfectly, with comprehensible constants that make our understanding possible. Why is it wrong to appreciate God, and use the wisdom and tools He has given us to make our lives better? or to worship him better?
What does building bridges have to do with knowing how God created the universe? I think you're mixing up science and technology.


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I don't understand why I received an infraction for my previous post.

If we didn't learn about how God created nature, then we couldn't build bridges, engineer cars or essentially have any of the nice privileges we have today. People don't just "know" how to invent these things. There are physically laws that must be understood. God did an amazing job when he created the universe perfectly, with comprehensible constants that make our understanding possible. Why is it wrong to appreciate God, and use the wisdom and tools He has given us to make our lives better? or to worship him better?
If this was so, then why has no one discovered how the pyramids and the sphinx was built without modern equipment.

Did Noah know how to build the ark?


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Default Re: God HATES Rational Thinking! - 11-20-2010, 07:05 AM

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What does building bridges have to do with knowing how God created the universe? I think you're mixing up science and technology.
Pardon my misuse of words. Replace "learning how God created the universe" with "understanding the properties of the universe God created."

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If this was so, then why has no one discovered how the pyramids and the sphinx was built without modern equipment.

Did Noah know how to build the ark?
People do mostly understand how the pyramid and sphinx were constructed. I'm not an expert in the subject, but the blocks were moved with sleds and ramps. Also, the Egyptians believed in their own polytheist religion, unless you are suggesting Amun, or Ra helped them construct the pyramids.

I can't ask Noah how he built the ark, but I'm certain that if you researched asked any of today's leading inventors they would be well educated individuals who spent a lot of time understanding the process of how their inventions work.

God made electrons. Electrical current is electrons flowing through circuits. Light bulbs work using this. Is that really that bad?

Force is mass times acceleration. To make bridges sturdy, civil engineers apply this equation to make sure they won't collapse under too much weight.

Understanding God's creation helps us.
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Pardon my misuse of words. Replace "learning how God created the universe" with "understanding the properties of the universe God created."



People do mostly understand how the pyramid and sphinx were constructed. I'm not an expert in the subject, but the blocks were moved with sleds and ramps. Also, the Egyptians believed in their own polytheist religion, unless you are suggesting Amun, or Ra helped them construct the pyramids.

I can't ask Noah how he built the ark, but I'm certain that if you researched asked any of today's leading inventors they would be well educated individuals who spent a lot of time understanding the process of how their inventions work.

God made electrons. Electrical current is electrons flowing through circuits. Light bulbs work using this. Is that really that bad?

Force is mass times acceleration. To make bridges sturdy, civil engineers apply this equation to make sure they won't collapse under too much weight.

Understanding God's creation helps us.
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Default Re: God HATES Rational Thinking! - 11-20-2010, 07:12 AM

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Force is mass times acceleration. To make bridges sturdy, civil engineers apply this equation to make sure they won't collapse under too much weight.

Understanding God's creation helps us.
And who guides the hand of these engineers? God, who else?

Don't be dim.


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Default Re: God HATES Rational Thinking! - 11-20-2010, 07:21 AM

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And who guides the hand of these engineers? God, who else?

Don't be dim.

Sure, that's fine. However, this thread seems to be against science as a whole. I'm saying that if we didn't embrace this knowledge, then we would be ignoring God's guidance.

Science isn't evil. I was contradicted early by someone who told me that there was no reason to learn how the world works. This is what I am arguing against. There's always room for learning.
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Sure, that's fine. However, this thread seems to be against science as a whole. I'm saying that if we didn't embrace this knowledge, then we would be ignoring God's guidance.

Science isn't evil. I was contradicted early by someone who told me that there was no reason to learn how the world works. This is what I am arguing against. There's always room for learning.
If you want learning, then learn from the Bible.


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Default Re: God HATES Rational Thinking! - 11-20-2010, 07:28 AM

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You don't understand any of the points I have made thus far.

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You don't understand any of the points I have made thus far.

You don't deserve the computer you are using to read this message with.
That is not a nice thing to say. When was I rude to you. I did understand what you were trying to say, it is just that you have problems with God giving people directions on what to do.


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Default Re: God HATES Rational Thinking! - 11-20-2010, 07:37 AM

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Well, yes, but it still involved learning about photon refraction and radio waves. A person didn't suddenly know how to build a television because God gave them the idea. Instead, God probably inspired him to take university courses in physics and engineering. From there, God would have inspired him to experiment with what he learned to invent something new. All inventions require people to learn about how God's world works, and put pieces together to create the modern technology we have today.

In summary, all the of the modern medicine, electronics etc. that we have today wouldn't exist if people hadn't decided to explore and learn about nature, and the world.
Actually more often than not medical breakthroughs are found by (what secular types call mistakes). Obviously they would not ever admit that it is in fact God performing yet another miracle! GLORY!!!

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Default Re: God HATES Rational Thinking! - 11-20-2010, 07:38 AM

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That is not a nice thing to say. When was I rude to you. I did understand what you were trying to say, it is just that you have problems with God giving people directions on what to do.
No, it wasn't nice. It was, however, realistic. Technology doesn't come from nowhere. If it weren't for curious people with a true desire to learn about electromagnetism, current induction, photon refraction and binary coding, you would not have a computer. If you can't accept that sometimes people need to figure out and learn how things work in order for scientific progression, then you have no reason to take for granted the technology you have.
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Default Re: God HATES Rational Thinking! - 11-20-2010, 07:44 AM

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Actually more often than not medical breakthroughs are found by (what secular types call mistakes). Obviously they would not ever admit that it is in fact God performing yet another miracle! GLORY!!!

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Yes, some medical breakthroughs have happened by accidents. However, if the researcher did not study molecular biology, they would not know how to interpret the results of the aforementioned accident, let alone apply them for practical use. However, computers don't come from nowhere. You don't leave a bunch of wires and resistors out one evening and come home to a Macintosh.
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No, it wasn't nice. It was, however, realistic. Technology doesn't come from nowhere. If it weren't for curious people with a true desire to learn about electromagnetism, current induction, photon refraction and binary coding, you would not have a computer. If you can't accept that sometimes people need to figure out and learn how things work in order for scientific progression, then you have no reason to take for granted the technology you have.
The comment was not realistic either. It was just not nice.

God is the one the gives the people the ideas and knowledge to build things. I wish you would read about Babel, then you would see what I am trying to tell you.


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Yes, some medical breakthroughs have happened by accidents. However, if the researcher did not study molecular biology, they would not know how to interpret the results of the aforementioned accident, let alone apply them for practical use. However, computers don't come from nowhere. You don't leave a bunch of wires and resistors out one evening and come home to a Macintosh.

Really? Gee I didn't know that there were molecular biology classes around when Florey and Fleming did the whole Penicillin thing. Care to cite a source showing they did?

What you have to appreciate spiritedscholar is the vast majority of us have lived in the secular world and also attended secular schooling. If you truly think you are doing us a service by telling us we "NEED" to know all the fluff you claim we should then you are sorely mistaken.

Now, have you ever read the KJV1611 in its entirety?

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Default Re: God HATES Rational Thinking! - 12-14-2010, 07:55 PM

Why can't everyone accept that everybody has different opinions? If you believe in God, that's great! Believe in Him. If you believe in Buddha, that's great too! Believe in Him. If you believe in many gods such as the Native Americans, that's great as well! Believe in them. Nobody is less of a person for having different beliefs, it's what we do as humans about those beliefs or for those beliefs that define us. Everybody deserves respect for their opinion. As soon as you begin to hurt another for their opinions, i believe that you no longer deserve any form of respect; and yes, that is my opinion, not a fact. Just remember that everything you believe is your personal opinion and everybody else in America is entitled to theirs. Freedom of religion and freedom of speech people.

By the way, I am not directing this post to anyone in particular, I just feel like there is a lack of respect on both sides in this forum.
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By the way, I am not directing this post to anyone in particular, I just feel like there is a lack of respect on both sides in this forum.
We TRUE Christians™ agree. There is a disgusting lack of respect for us from the Atheists. We Christians are obligated by our beliefs to view anyone who disagrees with us as dangerous perverts who must be utterly destroyed for the good of society, but Atheists have no such belief. Atheists should show us Christians some respect by shutting and agreeing with what we Christians say.

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