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Default Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage. - 12-31-2016, 05:48 AM

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It's because of Joseph smith practice as polygamy that would not allow him to be a member of our church.
You seem to avoid answering this question, dear, but I'll ask it again:

So the founder of your church would be not welcomed in your own church today?

If he was wrong on the polygamy thing, then how do you know that he wasn't wrong on the whole Book of Mormon thing?
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You seem to avoid answering this question, dear, but I'll ask it again:

So the founder of your church would be not welcomed in your own church today?

If he was wrong on the polygamy thing, then how do you know that he wasn't wrong on the whole Book of Mormon thing?
Verily, Sister!

I would like this person to answer some questions about the Mountain Meadows Massacre, where blood-thirsty Mormons (and it was on 9/11 1857, a coincidence?) killed innocent Christians. As we know, it would not have been endorsed by any Biblical text, as it was only and purely persecution of Christians.

2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Apparently the Mormons could not live in peace with the Christian Settlers. Now, my question is what parts of the Book of Mormon or the teachings of your prophet Smith were the ones that condoned this massacre of women and children. As it is not in the Bible that Christians should kill Christians, it must be somewhere in the Book of Mormon, and I need the expertise of this native Mormonian to explain it to us.


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Default Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage. - 12-31-2016, 06:01 AM

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It's because of Joseph smith practice as polygamy that would not allow him to be a member of our church. And Alvin, you do know that is a bit extreme, they were only trying to start a branch. And as for the golden statue. We don't build statues of false idols, that is the angel mormoni, not God. And we don't practice pagan rituals. We are Christian like you, not pagan. And welcome anyone in our church, so long as they are respectful, reverent and don't dress provocatively or inappropriate. But they cannot become members of our church.
What do you make of the contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible?

The term "Christian" didn't come into use until around 40 AD.

Acts 11:26b And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Yet the Book of Alma, supposedly describing events around 73 BC, says the Nephites were Christians.

Alma 46:13-15
13 And he fastened on his head-plate, and his breastplate, and his shields, and girded on his armor about his loins; and he took the pole, which had on the end thereof his rent coat, (and he called it the title of liberty) and he bowed himself to the earth, and he prayed mightily unto his God for the blessings of liberty to rest upon his brethren, so long as there should a band of Christians remain to possess the land—
14 For thus were all the true believers of Christ, who belonged to the church of God, called by those who did not belong to the church.
15 And those who did belong to the church were faithful; yea, all those who were true believers in Christ took upon them, gladly, the name of Christ, or Christians as they were called, because of their belief in Christ who should come.


The Bible says there were three hours of darkness at Jesus' crucifixion.

Lk 23:44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

The Book of Mormon says there would be three days of darkness.

Hel 14:20 But behold, as I said unto you concerning another sign, a sign of his death, behold, in that day that he shall suffer death the sun shall be darkened and refuse to give his light unto you; and also the moon and the stars; and there shall be no light upon the face of this land, even from the time that he shall suffer death, for the space of three days, to the time that he shall rise again from the dead.

The Bible says Jesus was born in Bethlehem.

Mt 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

The Book of Mormon says He would be born in Jerusalem.

Alma 7:10 And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.

The last two examples are a case of unfulfilled prophecy, which the Bible says must be rejected.

Deut 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

You won't find any glaringly obvious contradictions like these in the Bible. Please explain.


Gen 6:6-7 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
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Default Re: How My Little Pony destroyed my daughter's marriage. - 12-31-2016, 06:12 AM

I'm pretty sure that Jesus wasn't born in a city. I'm pretty sure he was born in a manger in the countryside. It was possible that the area that Jesus was born was Jerusalem territory during the writing of the Book of Mormon but was changed to be Bethlehem territory. I can't really explain the Christian thing. And I know nothing about the mountains meadow massacre. This is the first I have heard about it. I will actually go look that up and read into it later. But as for the whole thing about Joseph smith. The reason why that is the only thing we wouldn't let him because of polygamy, is because polygamy goes against our sacred marriage vows. Simply put, while everything else doesn't really contradict, polygamy and our sacred marriage rules don't fit. We found polygamy to be considered a act of lust, which is a sin. So we did away with that.
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I'm pretty sure that Jesus wasn't born in a city. I'm pretty sure he was born in a manger in the countryside.
You don't know the Bible very well, do you?

Lk 2:4-7
4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)
5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.
7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.


Perhaps you're getting confused with the shepherds in the countryside who saw the angels and then went to Bethlehem to see Jesus (Lk 2:8-15)?

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It was possible that the area that Jesus was born was Jerusalem territory during the writing of the Book of Mormon but was changed to be Bethlehem territory.
Jerusalem and Bethlehem, although they have been known by different names (Gen 35:19; Jdg 19:10), are, and always have been, two different cities.



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I can't really explain the Christian thing.
That's because there isn't any reasonable explanation. The Bible says one thing; the Book of Mormon says another. Face it. They contradict each other.

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But as for the whole thing about Joseph smith. The reason why that is the only thing we wouldn't let him because of polygamy, is because polygamy goes against our sacred marriage vows. Simply put, while everything else doesn't really contradict, polygamy and our sacred marriage rules don't fit. We found polygamy to be considered a act of lust, which is a sin. So we did away with that.
Jesus taught that monogamy was established in the Garden of Eden and ought to be upheld.

Mt 19:3-7
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?


But polygamy was allowed for a while.

Ex 21:10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

Many of the Old Testament saints were polygamists. King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Ki 11:1-3). We don't know how many King David had. Eight are named in the Bible (1 Sam 18:27; 1 Sam 25:39; 2 Sam 3:2-5; 2 Sam 12:24) and he took other wives and concubines on top of that (2 Sam 5:13). Would these men also not be allowed in your church if they were alive today? After all, King David was a man after God's own heart (1 Sam 13:14).


Gen 6:6-7 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
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Dear GamerFun,

The game is over. This rationalization is what we call an ad hoc escape. It is a fallacy. Without any other immediate way out of your dilemma, you just dismiss it, and, as a result, either you or one of those responsible for your indoctrination have come up with an idea "that it would be possible".

This is not enough.

We should apply Bayesian probability to this. What is the prior probability of municipalities changing their names or city authorities this way between 40 BC - 0 AD? Can you provide us with some figures? It is also an ad hoc, because it is a simple claim ("it is possible") but you fail to even consider other hypotheses, one which, and, in fact, much more plausible in its prior probability, is the one that Mr. Smith simply invented all this.

We have, as it happens, loads of fictional "sacred texts", much more than the one that is True™. For instance, we have the Popol Vuh, the Tao de ching, The Urantia, Dianetics, the Loose Cannon, etc. Thus, the prior probability of your "sacred book" being an elaborate construction without factual base is much higher than the "possibility of municipalities changing authority". Are you willing to consider this hypotheses, i.e., is your claim falsifiable?

Furthermore, if we look at the actual evidence that is admittedly scarce, we find that Bethlehem was a City by its own right as early as during the Temple period (600-700 BC). Even the name is mentioned (בת לחם). Of course, it is also in the Old Testament that was finished long before the alleged date for your Book of Mormon.

Genesis 35:19
And Rachel died, and was buried in the way to Ephrath, which is Bethlehem.

By all means, you can just decide that a distant possibility invented on the spot is "evidence", but apparently you are also trying to convince others. To attain that, you must do a better job, I'm afraid. The goes for the other discrepancies mentioned in Brother Pim's educated post. Don't forget to test your escape explanations against prior probability.

And, please, learn about the actual history of your religion. The Mountains Meadows Massacre is a good place to begin.


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Don't get me started on memes, promoting homosexuality.
It's a deal. How about instead you get started on praising Jesus?




Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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