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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 04-20-2012, 09:35 PM

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Although the immaculate conception was only proclaimed dogmatic in 1854...
Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

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What does that prove? People have claimed to have had visions of Shiva, Allah, or various other deities and to have received revelations from those deities. Do you believe those as well?
Those religions center around different false gods. They do not center around Jesus as their God, and hence, are not Christian. Catholicism, however, is the religion of Christ. I'm not here to debate semantics on every catholic dogma. I am here to defend the Catholic church as Christian. It may not be landoverbaptist, but it is indeed Christian.
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St. Gregory wrote about the Assumption in the 6th century. St. John Damscene wrote about it in the 8th. By the 13th century, most Catholics accepted the belief of the Assumption. It was recently made dogmatic, but again, Catholic Tradition often comes before the penning of Catholic dogma.
So was it forgotten about for 600 years? Or do you REALLY believe that it was an oral tradition for all that time and nobody could be bothered to write it down .

Isn't it more likely that a mary worshiper made it up?

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Which is contrary to Hebrews 10:10. Catholics believe in transubstantiation, that the wafer and wine actually become the body and blood of Christ, which was offered ONCE [for all], not every Wed. Fri. and twice on Sun.
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So was it forgotten about for 600 years? Or do you REALLY believe that it was an oral tradition for all that time and nobody could be bothered to write it down .

Isn't it more likely that a mary worshiper made it up?

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It's like I said in my first post on the immaculate conception, you people don't have the slightest intention of reading my posts. You only want me to post catholic beliefs so that you fools on the other end of the keyboard can spew your own beliefs. I'm fine if you're a baptist, but only if you're fine with my being a catholic.
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It's like I said in my first post on the immaculate conception, you people don't have the slightest intention of reading my posts. You only want me to post catholic beliefs so that you fools on the other end of the keyboard can spew your own beliefs. I'm fine if you're a baptist, but only if you're fine with my being a catholic.
Why would anyone be fine with an unbeliever?



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Of course the conception was immaculate. Do you really think God would have sex with a swarthy middle-eastern Israelite? Those women didn't (don't) even shave.


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It's like I said in my first post on the immaculate conception, you people don't have the slightest intention of reading my posts. You only want me to post catholic beliefs so that you fools on the other end of the keyboard can spew your own beliefs. I'm fine if you're a baptist, but only if you're fine with my being a catholic.
For me it hasn't been a case of Baptist v catholic. I have only given opinions from the word of God and Jesus Christ, where have you got your ideas from?

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For me it hasn't been a case of Baptist v catholic. I have only given opinions from the word of God and Jesus Christ, where have you got your ideas from?

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Why would anyone be fine with an unbeliever?
Unbeliever of your specific sect of the Christian religion? Or someone who doesn't believe in God at all? I must point out-- again-- that I am Catholic, and thus believe in God. Also, since you take the bible so literally, I should point out that you must accept anyone if you want that good ol' baptist version of heaven. 1 John 3:15-16 makes it pretty clear.
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Unbeliever of your specific sect of the Christian religion? Or someone who doesn't believe in God at all? I must point out-- again-- that I am Catholic, and thus believe in God. Also, since you take the bible so literally, I should point out that you must accept anyone if you want that good ol' baptist version of heaven. 1 John 3:15-16 makes it pretty clear.
Well you don't believe in God. You believe in something quite similar to God that some people made up but turned into a pastiche of pagan beliefs so as to sit better with European culture of the time then went all intellectual theology college on then tried to revamp and hide the blatant pedophilia (but failed) for the modern era...

Where were we again?

Oh yes: you don't actually believe in God but a convenient made up construct that's convenient for keeping the deluded happy.

We prefer our God to be honest as per the Bible (which is entirely factual and not made up at all - you have to agree), thanks!



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I am honored to be conversing with a man with whom God himself has shared his thoughts and feelings. Unless you are talking about the Bible, in which case you're not so special. I have a bible. I can also read it. However, I can't just interpret it any way I want. Lucky for you, your boy Luther made up that everyone can have their own accurate interpretation of the Bible. Unfortunately for me, I have remained tethered to the church which compiled and finalized the canon of the very bible which you use. The bible that you are using against Catholics, was compiled and edited by Catholics themselves.
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Those religions center around different false gods.
Yes, and yours centers on a false goddess based very loosely on Mary as described in the Bible.

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They do not center around Jesus as their God, and hence, are not Christian. Catholicism, however, is the religion of Christ. I'm not here to debate semantics on every catholic dogma. I am here to defend the Catholic church as Christian. It may not be landoverbaptist, but it is indeed Christian.
If you deny that Catholicism is a Christian religion, please define Christianity for me, so that I may see the error of my papist wayssss.
A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son (John 3:16-18), and does the will of the Father in Heaven (Matthew 7:21-23). If you believe in Mary as mediatrix, then you deny that Jesus is Who the Bible says He is (1 Timothy 2:5) and thus deny Him. If you believe in the continuing sacrifice of the Mass, then you deny that Jesus accomplished what the Bible says He accomplished (Hebrews 10:10) and thus deny Him. If you bow to statues or icons of Mary, you are not doing the will of the Father in Heaven (Exodus 20:4-6).

Your turn. How do you define a Christian? Are Mormons Christians under your definition?


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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 04-20-2012, 09:59 PM

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Unbeliever of your specific sect of the Christian religion? Or someone who doesn't believe in God at all? I must point out-- again-- that I am Catholic, and thus believe in God. Also, since you take the bible so literally, I should point out that you must accept anyone if you want that good ol' baptist version of heaven. 1 John 3:15-16 makes it pretty clear.
How are you our brother? Also, what do you make of the following:

Psalm 139:21-22: Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.


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I am honored to be conversing with a man with whom God himself has shared his thoughts and feelings. Unless you are talking about the Bible, in which case you're not so special. I have a bible. I can also read it. However, I can't just interpret it any way I want. Lucky for you, your boy Luther made up that everyone can have their own accurate interpretation of the Bible. Unfortunately for me, I have remained tethered to the church which compiled and finalized the canon of the very bible which you use. The bible that you are using against Catholics, was compiled and edited by Catholics themselves.
I don't interpret it it. I read it and follow it.

Try it.

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...Also, since you take the bible so literally, I should point out that you must accept anyone if you want that good ol' baptist version of heaven. 1 John 3:15-16 makes it pretty clear.
1 John 3:15-16 "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren."

Wow. Is your Bible made out of this stuff?



The Scripture you quoted is plainly referring to fellow Christians, not the whole world.


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I am honored to be conversing with a man with whom God himself has shared his thoughts and feelings. Unless you are talking about the Bible, in which case you're not so special. I have a bible. I can also read it. However, I can't just interpret it any way I want. Lucky for you, your boy Luther made up that everyone can have their own accurate interpretation of the Bible. Unfortunately for me, I have remained tethered to the church which compiled and finalized the canon of the very bible which you use. The bible that you are using against Catholics, was compiled and edited by Catholics themselves.
So why does it so such a poor job of backing up Catholic dogmas, doctrines, and practices?


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Yes, and yours centers on a false goddess based very loosely on Mary as described in the Bible.

A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son (John 3:16-18), and does the will of the Father in Heaven (Matthew 7:21-23). If you believe in Mary as mediatrix, then you deny that Jesus is Who the Bible says He is (1 Timothy 2:5) and thus deny Him. If you believe in the continuing sacrifice of the Mass, then you deny that Jesus accomplished what the Bible says He accomplished (Hebrews 10:10) and thus deny Him. If you bow to statues or icons of Mary, you are not doing the will of the Father in Heaven (Exodus 20:4-6).

Your turn. How do you define a Christian? Are Mormons Christians under your definition?
We continue the sacrifice of the mass because Jesus himself asks all of his followers to do so. Luke 22:19 "in remembrance of me" it's cute that you think Catholicism revolves around Mary only.
And yes, I would define Mormonism as a sect of Christianity. It isn't anywhere close to Catholicism, or Protestantism, but they definitely "believe in Jesus Christ, God's only begotten son"
Take a moment to stop thumping the bible and start being a little more open minded Romans 12:2
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We continue the sacrifice of the mass because Jesus himself asks all of his followers to do so. Luke 22:19 "in remembrance of me" it's cute that you think Catholicism revolves around Mary only.
And yes, I would define Mormonism as a sect of Christianity. It isn't anywhere close to Catholicism, or Protestantism, but they definitely "believe in Jesus Christ, God's only begotten son"
Take a moment to stop thumping the bible and start being a little more open minded Romans 12:2
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We continue the sacrifice of the mass because Jesus himself asks all of his followers to do so. Luke 22:19 "in remembrance of me"
Yes, in remembrance of Him. He never says, "The Holy Spirit will just be yanking your chain when He reveals that Hebrews 10:10 bit."

You don't get to cherry-pick only those verses of Scripture that back up your preconceived notions. You have to believe in all of it.

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it's cute that you think Catholicism revolves around Mary only.
If you had a real argument, you wouldn't have to resort to fallacies, of which appeal to ridicule is one. If Catholics want us to believe that their faith doesn't revolve around Mary, they need to do less telling and more showing.

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And yes, I would define Mormonism as a sect of Christianity. It isn't anywhere close to Catholicism, or Protestantism, but they definitely "believe in Jesus Christ, God's only begotten son"
Take a moment to stop thumping the bible and start being a little more open minded Romans 12:2
Romans 12:2: And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

So what's the "good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God," if not what the Bible says it is? How do you know?


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