[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by A Mini Black boy

It seems just about every Christian member of this site takes things to extremes when trying to refute science. In this case, every 100 years the day gets longer by about 1.4 milliseconds - that's 100-200 times faster than the blink of an eye. In the time of the dinosaurs (at least 65 million years ago) a day was 23 hours long. So the earth is not rapidly slowing down each day, but rather the change is so tiny over such a long period of time that not you, nor your grandchildren or even their grandchildren will actually notice the effects.

I see. But YOU noticed. Interesting. How long have you been shooting the crack son?

[A Mini Black boy]

I think it's remarkable that "scientists" know how long a day was 65,000,000 years ago, when even by their own estimates mankind has only been around for 200,000 years.

Or are you suggesting that dinosaurs had timepieces capable of measuring time down to the millisecond?

Thank you for actually giving me a serious reply, as opposed to other pages where my questions have just been sidestepped by racist nonsense. The scientists worked this out using maths, or math as you Americans call it.

"Well the scientists were right about the milliseconds every century (like they measured milliseconds accurately in 1912) so they must be right about the sky not being a solid firmament and the sun and moon being lights in the sky. "

It is largely down to maths which doesn't lie, unless someone worked something out wrong and even then it is not a lie, just a mistake. Also THIS doesn't prove that there isn't a solid firmament, instead the evidence from direct observation of the universe, spacecraft and space telescopes does. One other thing, the moon isn't a light itself, it just reflects the sun's light. That's plausible even by your solid firmament theory.

Funny that scientists have rejected a beautiful truth, like the Gospel of Jesus, for a perverse lie such as that of the dinosaur. One can readily see why God invented Hell.

In my opinion the idea of a divine creator belittles the amazing and beautiful reality of the universe. I find it far more satisfying to know that nature effectively created itself in all its diversity, than knowing that this was just created by an omnipotent being who found it as easy as drinking a glass of water.

I see. But YOU noticed. Interesting. How long have you been shooting the crack son?

I didn't notice. Instead I researched, and learned.

Anyway normally I let people believe what they want to believe as it does not affect me personally however on this site all I have found is deep layers of hatred, ignorance and bigotry. I am sorry if I have offended you but this is the blunt truth of it. You all have a nice day now

[James Hutchins]

Friend, not once did you back up your proposterous claims with any scripture.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1st John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Romans 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

[A Mini Black boy]

I disagree with Scripture's claims about the cosmos and this scriptural evidence has been proven false by modern science so why would I use it?

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by A Mini Black boy

I disagree with Scripture's claims about the cosmos and this scriptural evidence has been proven false by modern science so why would I use it?

So you hate God. Talk about narrow minded and full of hate. God is the father of all of us.

[Born Again Bob]

Dear Friend,

Originally Posted by A Mini Black boy

I disagree with Scripture's claims about the cosmos and this scriptural evidence has been proven false by modern science so why would I use it?

2+2 makes 5 if the Bible says it's so.

God is very clear. “You shall have no other gods before me.” Exodus 20:3. Those who fail to comply with this First Commandment will be “utterly destroyed.” Exodus 22:20.

You can't be devoted to God and Baal, Jesus and Zeus, the Holy Spirit and the Great Spirit. "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other." Matthew 6:24.

For that same reason, anyone who puts logic, experience, common sense, ethics or anything else above the Word of God is a cursed idolater. To subject the Bible to any sort of test is in and of itself to turn the criteria of that test into a false god "before" the Living God. Let's start with logic.

LOGIC IS A FALSE GOD
The most basic logical proposition is the principle of identity, A=A. The plain text of the Bible is full of logical contradictions. Ahaziah was 22 and 42 years old when he began to rule. 2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2. Saul's daughter Micah had no children, but she also had five sons. 2 Samuel 6:23 and 2 Samuel 21:8. The very last words of Jesus were both, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit" and "It is finished." Luke 23:46 and John 19:30 . God does not repent, but he does repent. Num. 23:19 and Ex. 32:14. And on and on.

If I were a worshipper of the false God of logic, the principle of identity would box me in.

I could claim that these seeming contradictions are not really contradictions when squinted at in a certain light, and assuming things that are nowhere stated, and assuming other things that no disinterested observer in her right mind would ever believe. In short, I could be intellectually dishonest and fudge the results. The result is being faithless to two masters (logic and God) instead of just one.

But if, as a faithful worshipper of logic, I follow logic's inexorable operations, I would have to say that contradiction in the Bible implies the falsity of one of the Biblical premises in question. And once we start down this road, there is no stopping. I would have to start denying whole swathes of the Bible, preferring in each case my devotion to the golden calf of logic.

The True Christian™ does not have this dilemma. If the Bible affirms something, it is true, even if it contradicts something else that is also in the Bible. Illogical? Who cares? God will not be made to bow down before logic. I shatter your golden calf with my stone tablets.

EXPERIENCE AND COMMON SENSE ARE FALSE GODS
I believe in giants and unicorns. Numbers 13:33 and 23:22. I believe in dragons. Deuteronomy 32:33. I believe in behemoths and leviathans. Job 40 and 41. You say they're only fit for Trapper Keepers, but I know otherwise. The Bible tells me so.

I believe the value of pi is 3. 1 Kings 7:23. I don't care that this caused me to flunk geometry one year. The Bible tells me so.

I reject the idea that the Earth spins on any axis, or revolves around the sun...it moveth not. 1 Chronicles 16:32. And, of course, I reject the idea that Earth is a sphere...it has borders. Isaiah 11:12. I've seen all the space pictures and science films, read the science. Don't care. The Bible tells me so.

Think otherwise? You're worshipping science, mathematics, or the evidence of your senses, NOT GOD. And you will be utterly destroyed.

SECULAR ETHICS IS A FALSE GOD
My God would, and did:
* send bears to massacre 42 little children who made fun of a prophet's bald head. 2 Kings 2:23-24.
* lead his chosen people on the genocide of 12,000 men women and children. Joshua 8:25.
* harden Pharaoh's heart against letting the Isrealites go, and then smite Pharaoh for having a hard heart. Exodus, passim.
* command an old man to kill his only son as a blood sacrifice. Genesis 22.

If your God wouldn't, or didn't, you have put someone or something before the God of the Bible. And your reward will be fire and eternal darkness.

Yours in Him,
bab

[A Mini Black boy]

So you hate God. Talk about narrow minded and full of hate. God is the father of all of us.

Of course I don't hate God. I try not to hate anyone or anything. My belief is that God existed before anything else. He set up the basic ethical principles that all of us abide by, lit the fuse of the big bang then retired. This makes sense to me and does not blatantly contradict what most of us in the enlightened world know to be true. It allows people freedom to change their mind if they are influenced by something and explains why most people now still abide by the basic "Thou shalt not kill" but precise ethics and morals have clearly developed since the time of Moses.

Hi Born Again Bob, I'm not going to quote your whole post but this sums it up for me;

Think otherwise? You're worshipping science, mathematics, or the evidence of your senses, NOT GOD. And you will be utterly destroyed.

This mentality has killed millions of people because of their private, internal thoughts that affect no one else in a negative way and will continue to do the same as long as people with this hateful, bigoted dogma exist

[Born Again Bob]

Dear Friend,

Originally Posted by A Mini Black boy

This mentality has killed millions of people because of their private, internal thoughts that affect no one else in a negative way and will continue to do the same as long as people with this hateful, bigoted dogma exist

It never fails to make me laugh how people lash out at Bible-believing Christians, scourging us with hatred, frothing at the mouth while yelling, "Be tolerant!"

Yours in Him,
bab

[A Mini Black boy]

I have no problem with people's beliefs, it's just when their beliefs influence them to hate, torment and kill others that I have a problem. That's all

[Born Again Bob]

Dear Friend,

Originally Posted by A Mini Black boy

I have no problem with people's beliefs, it's just when their beliefs influence them to hate, torment and kill others that I have a problem. That's all

Like when the Allies hated the Axis powers for promoting fascism and fought them in WWII -- killing a lot of them?

Yours in Him,
bab

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by A Mini Black boy

Of course I don't hate God. I try not to hate anyone or anything. My belief is that God existed before anything else. He set up the basic ethical principles that all of us abide by, lit the fuse of the big bang then retired. This makes sense to me and does not blatantly contradict what most of us in the enlightened world know to be true. It allows people freedom to change their mind if they are influenced by something and explains why most people now still abide by the basic "Thou shalt not kill" but precise ethics and morals have clearly developed since the time of Moses.

"Your belief?" Who cares what your belief is? You can't just pull God out of your ass. The Holy Bible isn't a menu is a sleazy curry shop that you can pick and choose from. It's all or nothing, boy! God wants us to follow the entire Word of God, not our "conscience."

[A Mini Black boy]

Like when the Allies hated the Axis powers for promoting fascism and fought them in WWII -- killing a lot of them?

The Allies had more of a problem with Hitler's warmongering and genocide at first but did not want to go to war - in fact they tried all they could to secure a peace. Then Hitler attacked the Allies directly so their only choice was to fight him. Hitler was the hateful warmongerer, not the Allies.

"Your belief?" Who cares what your belief is?

Why should anyone care what your sect's belief is?

[Born Again Bob]

Dear Friend,

Originally Posted by A Mini Black boy

The Allies had more of a problem with Hitler's warmongering and genocide at first but did not want to go to war - in fact they tried all they could to secure a peace. Then Hitler attacked the Allies directly so their only choice was to fight him. Hitler was the hateful warmongerer, not the Allies.

So there is no belief worth fighting for? If Hitler had been content to stay in Germany and gas all his country's Jews, the Allies should have been content to let him do it? (Rather than engaging in war, i.e., killing, on the basis of their beliefs?)

Yours in Him,
BAB

[A Mini Black boy]

So there is no belief worth fighting for? If Hitler had been content to stay in Germany and gas all his country's Jews, the Allies should have been content to let him do it? (Rather than engaging in war, i.e., killing, on the basis of their beliefs?)

They may well have done that. But the Allies did not selfishly kill on the basis of their beliefs. If your hypothesised event happened, if the Allies went to war because of this, it would be for the safety of others. Suppose you see someone on the street being beaten up for no reason - I think we both agree it is right to intervene and, if necessary, violently act against the aggressor to save the innocent. However if the two people are just having a peaceful debate, it is wrong to spew hatred at one of them simply because he disagrees with you.

[Born Again Bob]

Dear Friend,

Originally Posted by A Mini Black boy

If your hypothesised event happened, if the Allies went to war because of this, it would be for the safety of others...I think we both agree it is right to intervene and, if necessary, violently act against the aggressor to save the innocent.

So it's OK to use violence to save someone from a momentary street beating, but not to say them from an Eternity of torment in hell?

That doesn't seem to make any sense.

Yours in Him,
BAB

[A Mini Black boy]

Does your Bible not preach "An eye for an eye"? The street aggressor deserves to have violence used against him. However, there is no reason to use such aggressive and hateful language in what seems from the outside like a friendly debate about the shape of the earth.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by A Mini Black boy

Does your Bible not preach "An eye for an eye"? The street aggressor deserves to have violence used against him. However, there is no reason to use such aggressive and hateful language in what seems from the outside like a friendly debate about the shape of the earth.

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[A Mini Black boy]

If you're going to challenge science in such a manner as you do, expect a response

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by A Mini Black boy

If you're going to challenge science in such a manner as you do, expect a response

And if you're going to challenge God Almighty in such a manner, expect to spend an eternity being tortured in hell.

[A Mini Black boy]

I'll see you there