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Default Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience" - 10-30-2012, 01:36 AM

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Thank you for confirming that Mr Hopking. I had suspected no better from their warped minds. Generally those witches find pornographic display in everything, even The Word Of God. No wonder they invented autoerotic asphyxiation!
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Ah, when I see that noose, I can only imagine the ghastly gruntings and moanings that act as the accompaniment to such acts of bestial lust.

Thank you for drawing it to my attention, Sister, it keeps me stronger in the Lord.

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Default Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience" - 10-30-2012, 02:52 AM

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Ah, when I see that noose, I can only imagine the ghastly gruntings and moanings that act as the accompaniment to such acts of bestial lust.

Thank you for drawing it to my attention, Sister, it keeps me stronger in the Lord.

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I've never been to Suffolk. Doesn't Brian Eno live there?



It's a couple of years since I visited England. Is it still full of weirdos? How far from The Truth your law has strayed in the last 365¼ years.

Interestingly that is the same number of years as there are days in a year. Recently I've been hearing a lot about "prophetic months" (which are supposed to be 30 years or something) and "prophetic days" (whatever they are) and I was wondering could this be a prophetic "year"?

I heard this on an heretical radio station so would appreciate any comment from one of the Pastoral Team because I don't want to turn into a heretic
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Default Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience" - 10-30-2012, 03:57 AM

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Friends, as a Bible-Believing True Christian™, my sense of right and wrong comes straight from the Word of God. The Bible is the very foundation of my moral values, Amen.
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Friends, what the Word of God says and what your conscience tell you will frequently be in conflict. Being saved and having faith means ignoring your conscience and following Jesus, Amen.
I am Blessed to teach elementary school children in a committed Christian school. These are the very lessons our entire educational curriculum is inspired by. It does no child any favor to let them grow up thinking society's standards are important. Children are so easily led astray since they believe adults no matter what. God's standards are the only ones they need to worry about and we make sure that lesson sinks in deeply. No child in my school will ever hear that having two mommies is anything but dangerous to the mommies, the children, and the entire community in which that family lives. No child in my school will ever hear feminist agenda with its lies about being able to do anything she wants. We don't have to worry about offending the secular god of political correctness. We only need to concern ourselves with how we can serve God. We have a very Godly idea of what it means to have No Child Left Behind!
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I've never been to Suffolk. Doesn't Brian Eno live there?



It's a couple of years since I visited England. Is it still full of weirdos? How far from The Truth your law has strayed in the last 365¼ years.

Interestingly that is the same number of years as there are days in a year. Recently I've been hearing a lot about "prophetic months" (which are supposed to be 30 years or something) and "prophetic days" (whatever they are) and I was wondering could this be a prophetic "year"?

I heard this on an heretical radio station so would appreciate any comment from one of the Pastoral Team because I don't want to turn into a heretic
Sister, my lodgings are close to Woodbridge, birthplace of Emo the musician. England is still a godless land. Though I like to think that, through my ministry, the witches and warlocks of Suffolk are dwindling as I burn them all wash them in them blood of Christ.

I too would like to hear from the pastors about days, months and years of prophecy. Certainly, the English countryside is ripe for awakening. Everywhere I travel, I see evil and depravity: acupuncturists in every village, Buddhist centres in every town, pagan gift shops abound on every street corner! The road is long, Sister...

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Default Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience" - 01-24-2013, 09:03 AM

If you need a book to tell you what is right and what is wrong, then you don't belong in this world.
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If you need a book to tell you what is right and what is wrong, then you don't belong in this world.
Friend, we do not have to have a book to tell us, that is ridiculous.

I want to go to Heaven. I want to be assured of my rightful spot at Gods side. I do not want to spend my 90+ years here on Earth, everyday worrying and wondering "Am I good enough for Jesus? Did I make the grade? Were my choices the right ones? Do these pants make my buttocks protrude in an Homosexualistic manner?" God tells us, if we follow the Bible, we ARE good enough. Done deal, go relax.

So maybe you like to be a worry wart. Sleepless nights. Severe bowel stress syndrome. Not me, not any True Christian™.


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Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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If you need a book to tell you what is right and what is wrong, then you don't belong in this world.
Really? How do you know how to drive? Aren't the laws of the road written in a book? What about running heavy equipment? Should someone operating a crane not need the operators manual (a book)?

So why wouldn't we need a book on how to live our lives?

Atheists sure are dumb


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Default Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience" - 01-25-2015, 11:29 PM

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Friends, as a Bible-Believing True Christian™, my sense of right and wrong comes straight from the Word of God. The Bible is the very foundation of my moral values, Amen.

When I was out street-preaching last weekend, I met an honest-to-goodness Hellbount Atheist who wanted to "debate". I asked him what was his basis for morality if he doesn't believe in God or the Bible. He told me that he empathizes with others -- he knows that an action towards another is wrong if he would not like for someone else to do it to him. He gave as an example that he knows that it is wrong to kill others for pleasure because he doesn't want to be killed, and because he doesn't want anyone to kill someone he cares about.

I swiftly rebuked this Hellbound sinner with God's admonishment against following your own conscience rather than God's written laws in Deuteronomy 29:19-20 (or if you prefer, here is the Brick Testament version).

Later however, I started thinking about what that evil Athian had said. At first, I couldn't quite point out what was specifically wrong with his argument. It almost seems reasonable that one could behave morally simply by empathizing with others and following one's God given conscience. I knew that there had to be a reason for the LORD's prohibition against letting my conscience be my guide, so I did what I always do when questions pop up in my head -- I cracked open my King James 1611 Bible, and I immediately found the answer, Amen.

Empathy and conscience only get you so far. They can tell you a few obvious things, but there are too many things that they get completely wrong. The Bible is the only authority on what is right and wrong.

Here are some examples of things that conscience and empathy tell me are ok, but the Bible clearly states as being wrong:
  • I know a homosexual couple who have been in a committed, monogamous relationship for thirty years. They are honest and hardworking members of the community. They have an adopted son who grew up to be just as normal and well-adjusted as anyone else. They defy every off-the-wall stereotype of gays that the American Family Association has ever thought up. If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that homosexuality is ok, and that gay marriage is nothing to be afraid of. I need the Bible to tell me that it is wrong. (Leviticus 20:13 - Brick Testament; Romans 1:26-27)
  • In my experience, women seem to be just as intelligent and capable as men. If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that women and men are equals and that women deserve just as much dignity and respect as men do. I need the Bible to tell me that women are to be subjugated before men, and that men are to have dominion over women (1 Peter 3:1-6; Ephesians 5:22-24; 1 Timothy 2:11-15).
  • I know many nonchristians who live happy, productive lives. They love their families, and they are honest and hardworking. If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that it doesn't matter what, if any, religion people follow, and that we should all try to just get along. I need the Bible to tell me that nonchristians are all antichrists (2 John 7) to be shunned (2 Cor.6:14-17), and if they ever try to deconvert a Christian, I am required to kill them. (Dt.13:6-10)
  • I've seen people eat pork, oysters, catfish, crablegs, crawfish, lobster, clams, scallops, fried calamari, etc. without ill effect. I have eaten of each item listed before I was saved -- they are all delicious. If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I wouldn't have a clue that there was anything morally wrong with eating pork or shellfish. I need the Bible to inform me of that (Leviticus 11:7-10, Brick Testament).
  • If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that I should love my family. However, the Bible clearly states that I should hate my family if I want to follow Jesus. (Luke 14:26; Matthew 10:21, 35-37)
This cuts both ways. Here are some examples of things that conscience and empathy tell me are wrong, but the Bible states that as being ok:
  • If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that genocide is wrong. However, the Bible lists many stories where the LORD commands genocide. (Deuteronomy 7:1-6 - Brick Testament - Instructions for Genocide)
  • If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that slavery is wrong. However, the Bible clearly condones slavery. (Titus 2:9-10; Ephesians 6:5; 1 Timothy 6:1)
  • If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that peace is good and war is wrong, but the Bible says that the LORD is a man of war (Exodus 15:3), and that Jesus did not come to bring peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34).
I would also have been likely to come to several incorrect conclusions about the morality of rape.
  • If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that rape was always wrong, and that it is one of the worst crimes a person could commit against another. The Bible does indeed prescribe the death penalty for the unsanctioned rape of a betrothed woman. However, the Biblical penalty for the unsanctioned rape of an unbetrothed female is a mere slap on the wrist. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29, Brick Testament).
  • I would also have been likely to come the the conclusion that in all rape cases, only the rapist was guilty guilty of wrong-doing. However, the Bible tells me that if the "victim" fails to cry out, then it is because she enjoyed it. In these cases, it is fornication, not rape, and the so-called "rapist" and "victim" are equally guilty. According to the Bible, "no" only really means "no" when she cries out loudly for help. (Dt. 22:23-24)
  • Further, I would have never imagined that there would ever be a time that rape would be considered a good thing. I would have been grievously wrong, because God often commands his Christian soldiers to rape the virgin women of a village after they have killed all the men, boys, and non-virgin women (Numbers 31 - Brick Testament).
Friends, what the Word of God says and what your conscience tell you will frequently be in conflict. Being saved and having faith means ignoring your conscience and following Jesus, Amen.

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And these are the old ways that will destroy you. I'm sorry to say but if you don't evolve to modern times you will die.
Hello? Baptist Church website here. No Scripture, no proof.


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And these are the old ways that will destroy you. I'm sorry to say but if you don't evolve to modern times you will die.
You sound exactly like the early anthropologists - cultural evolutionists of the 19th century, when they were talking about the "vanishing" Native American cultures. Fact: the Indians are still around, but cultural evolutionists have vanished from academia.


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Praise, Jesus!

Greetings, Pastor Billy-Reuben!

Thank you for the Light of Christ that shines forth in your powerful ministry! How God can take the guiles of the Devil (Legos®) and create something like the Brick Bible to be used for His Own Glory to share God's Holy Word with the densest and simplest among us is truly amazing! Let God be praised!

I am enjoying the ever increasing Grace and Wisdom God is giving me through all the True Christians™ at Landover Baptist. We all know full well how Satan has twisted God’s Holy Word and has deceived those other “would-be Christians” into the snare of Satan by masquerading as “God’s Word” in the form of many false translations (Mark 14:56).

I've been searching the lessons and sermons online, but I'm unable to determine the actual Landover Baptist official, authoritative stance on an issue.

Here is the situation:

I have a collection of various Bibles in my library, and I have two versions of the Only Authorized Translation of the KJV 1611. There were a couple other versions claiming to be genuine KJV 1611, but I didn't see the need for a Nego-centric or Semite-centric version of God's Word for anything. One is KJV 1611 (as God’s anointed King Iames perfectly spaketh himself); and the other is KJV 1611 (Cambridge Edition, Red Letter Edition which claims to be the same One True Authorized translation with a few minor editing changes, and NOT a new translation like those other false translations; even graciously highlighting our Lord’s very Words in the color of His Precious Blood for True Chrisitians™ to quickly find when working with unsaved sinners bound for Hell.)

For example, here are two versions of the same text (James 1:2-8)

In the original King James Version of 1611:
“2 My brethren, count it all ioy when ye fall into diuers temptations, 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience, 4 But let patience haue her perfect worke, that ye may be perfect, and entier, wanting nothing. 5 If any of you lacke wisedome, let him aske of God, that giueth to all men liberally, and vpbraideth not: and it shalbe giuen him. 6 But let him aske in faith, nothing wauering: for he that wauereth is like a waue of the sea, driuen with the wind, and tossed. 7 For let not that man thinke that he shall receiue any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is vnstable in all his wayes.”
Now, the same passage in the King James Version of 1611, Cambridge Edition:

“2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. 5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.”


(I’m a bit partial to Epistle of Saint James, as it’s my own God-given Christian namesake (Proverbs 22:1).)

There is a notable difference, particularly in physical appearance (fonts/letters/spelling), and the Cambridge Edition would definitely be easier for any non-True Christians™ to read and comprehend. My question is, Is the Cambridge Edition truly God's Word (KJV 1611)? and if so, which edition would you recommend for True Christians™?

Yours eternally in Christ,

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"... And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." (Revelation 13:17-18)
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Bible Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience" - 06-10-2015, 12:27 AM

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Praise, Jesus!

Greetings, Pastor Billy-Reuben!

Thank you for the Light of Christ that shines forth in your powerful ministry! How God can take the guiles of the Devil (Legos®) and create something like the Brick Bible to be used for His Own Glory to share God's Holy Word with the densest and simplest among us is truly amazing! Let God be praised!

I am enjoying the ever increasing Grace and Wisdom God is giving me through all the True Christians™ at Landover Baptist. We all know full well how Satan has twisted God’s Holy Word and has deceived those other “would-be Christians” into the snare of Satan by masquerading as “God’s Word” in the form of many false translations (Mark 14:56).

I've been searching the lessons and sermons online, but I'm unable to determine the actual Landover Baptist official, authoritative stance on an issue.

Here is the situation:

I have a collection of various Bibles in my library, and I have two versions of the Only Authorized Translation of the KJV 1611. There were a couple other versions claiming to be genuine KJV 1611, but I didn't see the need for a Nego-centric or Semite-centric version of God's Word for anything. One is KJV 1611 (as God’s anointed King Iames perfectly spaketh himself); and the other is KJV 1611 (Cambridge Edition, Red Letter Edition which claims to be the same One True Authorized translation with a few minor editing changes, and NOT a new translation like those other false translations; even graciously highlighting our Lord’s very Words in the color of His Precious Blood for True Chrisitians™ to quickly find when working with unsaved sinners bound for Hell.)

For example, here are two versions of the same text (James 1:2-8)

In the original King James Version of 1611:
“2 My brethren, count it all ioy when ye fall into diuers temptations, 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience, 4 But let patience haue her perfect worke, that ye may be perfect, and entier, wanting nothing. 5 If any of you lacke wisedome, let him aske of God, that giueth to all men liberally, and vpbraideth not: and it shalbe giuen him. 6 But let him aske in faith, nothing wauering: for he that wauereth is like a waue of the sea, driuen with the wind, and tossed. 7 For let not that man thinke that he shall receiue any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is vnstable in all his wayes.”
Now, the same passage in the King James Version of 1611, Cambridge Edition:

“2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. 5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.”


(I’m a bit partial to Epistle of Saint James, as it’s my own God-given Christian namesake (Proverbs 22:1).)

There is a notable difference, particularly in physical appearance (fonts/letters/spelling), and the Cambridge Edition would definitely be easier for any non-True Christians™ to read and comprehend. My question is, Is the Cambridge Edition truly God's Word (KJV 1611)? and if so, which edition would you recommend for True Christians™?
Pastor is somewhat busy at the moment, but I will try my best to help you. The differences you're pointing to between the original 1611 KJV and the 1900 KJV edition (which is what your Cambridge edition looks like) are limited to form, not content. These differences are due to a very unfortunate fact that all languages change; I must admit that it is a very disappointing aspect of languages (due to the fall, I suppose - humanity as a whole has been degrading ever since Adam and Eve left Eden), but what can we do.

When the KJV was originally published, English has already began to undergo the great vowel shift, a linguistic change which continued until the 1700's. While spelling rules tend to change slower (and up to two centuries later) than pronunciation, they also do change.

Therefore, the differences between KJV 1611 and 1900 are in spelling only. The true problem is with false translations - the ones that don't just change the spelling, but the whole meaning of Bible passages.

Here you can see the actual differences between different Bible versions (the versions chosen are KJV 1900 and Wycliffe's Bible, from the 14th century, but you can easily switch to a variety of modern English translations, as well as a few translations in other European languages).
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The atheist empathy argument is easy to refute.

I will give an example:
Suppose an atheist kid gets bullied at school, he gets depressed and ends up with suicidal thoughts. At that moment his empathy and conscience tell him not only that he wants to die, but that all other people must also want to die. The result? Yet another school shooting by an atheist.
That is where you are wrong. Just because somebody hates their life and would gladly die does not make them a sociopath. I once was suicidal, but i didn't see human life as pointless even when mine was.
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I once was suicidal, but i didn't see human life as pointless even when mine was.
Of course you're suicidal. You worship an obese slant-eyed chink! Life is pointless to japs. I should know!

Christians don't kill themselves! We let Christ do it for us!


Who Will Jesus Damn?

Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Default Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience" - 12-24-2017, 01:23 AM

Alright, I had to comment on this. It is beyond unbelievably absolutely ridiculous. This must be a joke. Seriously?! The initial post made by Pastor Billy-Reuben is beyond ridiculous and offensive, and it totally misrepresents the bible. I have read the bible all the way through and studied it almost with obsession. I have also been baptized with the holy spirit and have seen that cessationism is not only a lie, but is not supported with scripture anywhere whereas continuism is everywhere in scripture. The Holy Spirit is alive and we can talk to Him as an extra guide that doesn't contradict scripture but rather affirms it (as far as I know there is no exception to this). This doesn't introduce error, but rather eradicates it, something I could explain later.

These are the points that I find untenable in the initial argument (I'll state them clearly and go into detail if need be). First off, at quick glance, I don't see Deuteronomy 29:19-20 as someone elevating their conscience above the law of God, but rather someone who willfully sins against God while knowing better.

Also, I think your arguments on men having dominion over women are definitely wrongly interpreted, based on the ancient Greek and the context. I can't believe your quotes after. Either you are joking or doctrinal error is so crazy here that I can't believe it. No one says that non-christians are all demons (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...12&version=KJV), the law of Moses was fulfilled by Jesus and we are not required to kill those who disagree. Are you kidding me? We are under grace. Where in the New Testament would you get the idea to kill those who proselytize unbelievers? Did Jesus or Paul kill the Pharisees? Did this happen ANYWHERE after the law of Moses was fulfilled in the New Testament? The sword Jesus brought was to put families against each other that is rather clear if you read the rest of that chapter (kind of like how Muslims have that happen today).

The rape of a virgin female in the Old Testament must be understood in context to their society, and that if the man continued being wicked, his life would probably be in danger with the rest of the law. The other rape things you say are not in scripture and are crazy! Numbers 31 never mentions rape, and Dt. 22:23-24 never mentions how loud she screams at my glance! We are to obey our conscience and not violate it as taught by Paul's words! Also, we re-educate our conscience according to scripture.

The problem is that many of your arguments are shown to be wrong in other places in the Word of God. Most often our conscience will oppose us in actions if we sense a seeming contradiction in other parts of scripture and God's will with what we intend to say or do. These objections of conscience are to be taken SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can't take verses out of context! There is serious doctrinal error here. I think we all need to pray to the living, speaking Holy Spirit so that he can guide us to perfectly interpret scripture by his interpretation. That way we can all teach the same thing as Paul advocated (http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/1-10.htm).

Cessationism is SUPER DANGEROUS! It has us interpret scripture with only our own minds instead of talking to the Holy Spirit and seeing His interpretation! He has led me to understand scriptures that I didn't understand before, and to be better than I could on my own! I will pray that all of the body of Christ can unite in perfect love and understanding of the Word of God.

God Bless!!!!!

Paul and Jesus address that in the new covenant no food is unclean when given with thanksgiving (outside of stumbling-blocks and issue of conscience), Obviously Jesus is not saying to hate our families but to not love them more than we love Him. How anyone could get a literal interpretation of that is beyond me when compared to loving your neighbor as yourself.
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Alright, I had to comment on this.
Hi, Drew, and to our forum!

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It is beyond unbelievably absolutely ridiculous. This must be a joke. Seriously?! The initial post made by Pastor Billy-Reuben is beyond ridiculous and offensive, and it totally misrepresents the bible. I have read the bible all the way through and studied it almost with obsession.
I look forward towards a civilized discussion, then.

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I have also been baptized with the holy spirit and have seen that cessationism is not only a lie, but is not supported with scripture anywhere whereas continuism is everywhere in scripture.
I will admit this is a bit above my pay grade (being just a lowly female). This is all I know about speaking in tongues:

1 Corinthians 14:27-28
27 If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

So that tells me it's OK to speak in unknown tongues as long as it does not disrupt the services at church, but rather done quietly at home, where the speaker is not bothering anyone.

After all:

1 Corinthians 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that [by my voice] I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an [unknown] tongue.

So I don't think we disagree on this subject - especially since I don't see anything in Pastor Billy Reuben's post about speaking in tongues nobody can understand?

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The Holy Spirit is alive and we can talk to Him as an extra guide that doesn't contradict scripture but rather affirms it (as far as I know there is no exception to this).
Exactly. If there's anything contradicting the Holy Bible, it's coming from the devil, not from the Holy Bible.

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These are the points that I find untenable in the initial argument (I'll state them clearly and go into detail if need be). First off, at quick glance, I don't see Deuteronomy 29:19-20 as someone elevating their conscience above the law of God, but rather someone who willfully sins against God while knowing better.
I'm not following, how these two interpretations differ from one another?

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Also, I think your arguments on men having dominion over women are definitely wrongly interpreted, based on the ancient Greek and the context.
Please do enlighten me, how do you "correctly" interpret the following verses, then:

1 Timothy 2:11-15
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.

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the law of Moses was fulfilled by Jesus and we are not required to kill those who disagree.
How about what Jesus said about His enemies?

Matthew 10:34-36
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


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Did this happen ANYWHERE after the law of Moses was fulfilled in the New Testament? The sword Jesus brought was to put families against each other that is rather clear if you read the rest of that chapter (kind of like how Muslims have that happen today).
It is quite clear, especially if you take under account all of the religious wars started by Christians against unbelievers of all sorts (including false Christians).

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The rape of a virgin female in the Old Testament must be understood in context to their society, and that if the man continued being wicked, his life would probably be in danger with the rest of the law. The other rape things you say are not in scripture and are crazy! Numbers 31 never mentions rape,
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Rape of these slave girls is not specified but implied by other parts of the Law (e.g., Exodus 21:7-8, which describes conditions under which a father can sell his daughter as a sex slave).

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and Dt. 22:23-24 never mentions how loud she screams at my glance!
Your Bible must be very different from my Bible:

Deuteronomy 22:23-24
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

If the girl was not heard, that means she didn't cry at all or did not cry loud enough. Either way, she deserves to die.

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We are to obey our conscience and not violate it as taught by Paul's words! Also, we re-educate our conscience according to scripture.
Yes. All Scripture:

Matthew 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

We are still living under the Old Testament law, and we have no right to change one jot of it.

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We can't take verses out of context!
Indeed!

I will pray for you.
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The Holy Spirit is alive and we can talk to Him as an extra guide that doesn't contradict scripture but rather affirms it (as far as I know there is no exception to this).
The problem arises when your guide DOES contradict Scripture.


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…someone who willfully sins against God while knowing better.
You see my problem with your opening here is WHAT ABOUT SOMEONE WHO WILFULLY SINS AGAINST GOD WHILE NOT KNOWING BETTER? Usually I'd use the example of a cannibal living in cannibal land and following cannibal culture. That would seem to apply here so I'll stick with it. Looking forward to your reply, please do not use words like "cessationism" which are not Scriptural and therefore irrelevant.
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Sinner Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience" - 01-24-2018, 03:36 AM

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Here are some examples of things that conscience and empathy tell me are wrong, but the Bible states that as being ok:
  • If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that genocide is wrong. However, the Bible lists many stories where the LORD commands genocide. (Deuteronomy 7:1-6 - Brick Testament - Instructions for Genocide)
  • If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that slavery is wrong. However, the Bible clearly condones slavery. (Titus 2:9-10; Ephesians 6:5; 1 Timothy 6:1)
  • If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that peace is good and war is wrong, but the Bible says that the LORD is a man of war (Exodus 15:3), and that Jesus did not come to bring peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34).
I would also have been likely to come to several incorrect conclusions about the morality of rape.
  • If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that rape was always wrong, and that it is one of the worst crimes a person could commit against another. The Bible does indeed prescribe the death penalty for the unsanctioned rape of a betrothed woman. However, the Biblical penalty for the unsanctioned rape of an unbetrothed female is a mere slap on the wrist. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29, Brick Testament).
  • I would also have been likely to come the the conclusion that in all rape cases, only the rapist was guilty guilty of wrong-doing. However, the Bible tells me that if the "victim" fails to cry out, then it is because she enjoyed it. In these cases, it is fornication, not rape, and the so-called "rapist" and "victim" are equally guilty. According to the Bible, "no" only really means "no" when she cries out loudly for help. (Dt. 22:23-24)
  • Further, I would have never imagined that there would ever be a time that rape would be considered a good thing. I would have been grievously wrong, because God often commands his Christian soldiers to rape the virgin women of a village after they have killed all the men, boys, and non-virgin women (Numbers 31 - Brick Testament).
Friends, what the Word of God says and what your conscience tell you will frequently be in conflict. Being saved and having faith means ignoring your conscience and following Jesus, Amen.
I am giving this thread another gentle bump because it is as relevant as when it was written over a decade ago. Indeed, Biblical morality often stands at odds with modern so-called "ethics" or even the modern-era notions of "common sense." Nonetheless, those who want to be Saved™ need to follow the Word of God 100%... because the alternative is Hell:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
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Default Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience" - 01-25-2018, 09:09 PM

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I am giving this thread another gentle bump because it is as relevant as when it was written over a decade ago. Indeed, Biblical morality often stands at odds with modern so-called "ethics" or even the modern-era notions of "common sense." Nonetheless, those who want to be Saved™ need to follow the Word of God 100%... because the alternative is Hell:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Someone needs to remind Michael Steele, the former chair of the Republican National Committee, just why it's a good idea for him to mind his place in Jesus' World. He clearly doesn't understand faith and trust like we do, Sister Bas. Rather than trust God is in control, he's ranting like a lunatic about those who uncompromisingly preach God's Word:

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“I have a very simple admonition at this point,” Steele said on “Hardball” on MSNBC. “Just shut the hell up and don’t ever preach to me about anything ever again. I don’t want to hear it.”

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“After telling me how to live my life, who to love, what to believe, what not to believe, what to do and what not to do and now you sit back and the prostitutes don’t matter? The grabbing the you-know-what doesn’t matter? The outright behavior and lies don’t matter? Just shut up.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0e5630074aa39

That's pretty stupid if you ask me, to tell men of God to shut up because you don't like how they serve the LORD of Creation.


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Default Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience" - 01-26-2018, 07:46 PM

Whenever I think that killing little children and babies is unconscionable, I remind myself how many times God did it, ordered it, or waxed poetic about it and that pesky little voice in the back of my brain shuts right up. Praise Jesus!


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