[JohnSmit]

Originally Posted by Rachael Van Helsing

Oh, yes, utterly convincing. Oh, so convincing, a badly made video with text flashing one person's opinion. If you accept such as proof, then give me a bit of time and I'll show you 'proof' that the president's wife is actually a baboon. (It's already been proven many a time that he himself bears a close resemblance to our apelike ancestors).

I completely agree. Just because the Bible says it is true doesn't mean it is. I mean if you found a book on the ground full of outrageous stories would you believe them just because the book told you to?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by JohnSmit

I completely agree. Just because the Bible says it is true doesn't mean it is. I mean if you found a book on the ground full of outrageous stories would you believe them just because the book told you to?

Ah but the Holy Bible is hardly some book we found on the ground, now is it. God Almighty wrote this particular book, and we've had it to guide us for over 2,000 years now. Better men than you have tried to discredit it's Holy contents, but all have failed.

And by the way, you just quoted a dead witch.

[RoryReloaded]

Please tell me how long you think the earth's been spinning around the Sun for.
(If you say 4004 BC, then... I'll start laughing.)

[Jack O'fagan]

Originally Posted by RoryReloaded

Please tell me how long you think the earth's been spinning around the Sun for.
(If you say 4004 BC, then... I'll start laughing.)

Ha! No, as you say that would be ridiculous.

The truth is that the Sun has been rotating around the Earth for around 6000 years. The Bible tells us that the Earth does not move.

Psalm 93
1The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Hopefully that has put your mind at rest,

YIC

Jack

[Chris W]

you all are a bunch of ignorant racist inbred sheep that cant cope with reality so you believe in something that a primative coulture created to explain what they could not.THERE IS NO GOD NO DEVIL NO HEAVEN OR HELL TAKE YOUR CHURCH LEADERS potty mouth deleted AND BE INTELLIGENT FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE HISTORY OF ANCIENT RELIGIONS THAT PREDATE CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY ARE RIPPED OFF FROM ANCIENT PAGEN RELIGIONS....

[Levi Jones]

Originally Posted by Chris W

THERE IS NO GOD NO DEVIL NO HEAVEN OR HELL

In that case, why do you worship Satan?

[Jack O'fagan]

Originally Posted by Chris W

you all are a bunch of ignorant racist inbred sheep that cant cope with reality so you believe in something that a primative coulture created to explain what they could not.THERE IS NO GOD NO DEVIL NO HEAVEN OR HELL TAKE YOUR CHURCH LEADERS potty mouth deleted AND BE INTELLIGENT FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE HISTORY OF ANCIENT RELIGIONS THAT PREDATE CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY ARE RIPPED OFF FROM ANCIENT PAGEN RELIGIONS....

I always find it possible to judge the intelligence of someone by their posting style. You need to get your carer to buy you a Bible. Soft ones are available if you are not allowed anything with sharp edges.

YIC

Jack

[jessev]

Unfortunately, I've not been able to read every post of this thread, but I wanted to touch on a couple point that have been made towards the end of the thread here, if I may.

I've read the arguments given by Marco Biagini, but don't see the point of the argument. At the basic level, his entire argument is stating that consciousness cannot exist in the current bounds of the laws of physics. However, he does nothing to prove that this is the case at all. He states the many things about the laws of physics, yes, but not a scientific reason that consciousness has to be out of the bounds of physics. Not to mention I had a problem with a number of grammatical errors in his paper there (unless it happened to be typed up by someone else. I will have to read a different copy of it somewhere and see if it has the same errors or not). Regardless, many of the things said are not entirely true, nor does he define what 'feeling' is or what 'emotion' is.

Of course the eye itself does not see they have receptors at the back of the eye that transmits the light energy into electrical and chemical energy dependent on the wavelength of the light. That signal is carried to the brain via the optic nerves and then is translated and decoded by the brain into what we see as an image.

Aside from this issue, I've been thinking of a couple of other discussion topics. Perhaps I should put a separate thread on this, unless there is already one on this subject. In which case, I apologize ahead of time if there is. However, I have read many times about how the Kings James Version 1611 Bible is the only one to follow and was written by the hand of God, but then are you saying that God translated the previous versions of the bible into English Himself and not by man? The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the language of Moses, and the New Testament was written in Greek, which was the scholar's language of the time. During Jesus' life, Aramaic was the dominant language of the region and was likely what he spoke as well. I understand that you believe America to be His 'chosen' people (from what I've seen written in the past), however is it not the Israelites in the Bible that are His chosen people?

It's a thought that I've been trying to think of and look forward to reading what comes.

One more thing about consciousness and biological reactions to stimuli. How we react to various stimuli is a purely physical reaction. Pain from touching something hot will cause us to pull our arm back. And Biagini's explanation of how an animal reacts to the same stimuli is not sufficient nor thorough. He does not seem to have a good grasp on Ethology (study of animal behavior) as most animals have very similar reactions to stimuli. Not only that, but how we perceive emotions is also simple chemical reactions. Endorphins make us feel good, caffeine makes us feel alert and awake. Most of Biagini's argument is based on the electrical part of our brain but completely ignores the more important chemical aspects of our brain (and our entire bodies for that matter). Biochemical reactions can be complex (heck, just look how our bodies produce ATP to realize that), but can and has explained how we respond to all the stimuli our senses gives us. Many of Biagini's arguments have a false pretense and over-simplifies how things really work.

P.S. By the way, so it's understood, Science simply tries to explain what we we can observe in the universe and how it works in a testable manner and/or have evidence that can support a hypothesis. It cannot explain the metaphysical by definition because it cannot be tested using the scientific method.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

tl;dr

YIC
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[Catherine Moore]

I did read it, but I didn't understand a word.

What are receptors? They sound like gay slang to me.

What makes you think we have chemicals in our brain? I don't know what you do but I certainly wouldn't put any of those chemicals into my body, let alone directly into my brain. Electricity in the brain I can understand. That's how that godless heathen Dr Frankenstein made his creature after all. But chemicals? Come off the drugs, my friend.

ATP? Conservapedia, normally a model of clarity, was far too confusing for me. Is that a diagram of a building?

Moving an arm back from heat? I think you're mistaken here friend. Unthinking animals recoil from pain of course (Jude 1:10) but men don't do it because of a purely physical reaction. They do it because God gave us the reactions to do it (Job 38:36)

I really should stop trying to read these scientifical posts. I think I need to go and lay down for a while.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

There is no reason you should understand this gibberish, I expect.

ATP to ATD has nothing to do with neuro chemical reactions in the synaptic clefts, nor the salt n pepper channels of electro chemical potential transmission, I imagine.

I expect this young lady is in her first year is some secular university diploma mill who needs to post a quota of so called scientifical points on a God fearing forum as part of the liberal hate filled God mocking course requirements.

For shame

YIC

[jessev]

I apologize for the post being a bit lengthy, but I wanted to be thorough.

By the way, I'm a man, not woman. Though as no one can directly see my face, I can understand the confusion as the name by itself can be a bit androgynous. However, most women tend to spell it with an "i" in the name.

To Catherine Moore:

Receptors in cell biology is defined as such: any of various specific protein molecules in surface membranes of cells and organelles to which complementary molecules, as hormones, neurotransmitters, antigens, or antibodies, may become bound.

It's basically how one cell communicates with another cell. Here is an illustration that shows some of these extracellular (outside the cell) proteins. Here's another one that shows the neurotransmitters in the nerve cells of the brain.

Chemicals affect the brain in a number of ways a couple examples were previously stated. They travel through the bloodstream much of the time. The previous link also shows many of the chemicals that exist in the brain towards the latter half of the page.

Admittedly, the way ATP is formed is a complicated method. The Citric Acid Cycle is what forms the energy molecule ATP.

Also the argument between how one reacts from a source of heat doesn't make much sense. In essence, you still said that they both occur in the same way, the only difference is that God gave us the ability to react to a stimuli, whereas animals just react by themselves?

Giving a different example of stimuli, I've had a dog in the past that was afraid of thunderstorms. He'd go under the table shaking during the thunderstorm. Is that not the feeling of fear that the dog is having?

Just so you know, I don't take drugs at all. I don't smoke, either. I do drink a little from time to time, but rarely very much.


Laurence Niles:
I don't intend for this to be gibberish. Unfortunately, cell biology and biochemistry is a complicated field. I can only do so much to simplify it.

You are correct in that ATP to ADP does not directly relate to synaptic reactions in the brain. I was merely speaking of the fact that chemical reactions heavily exist within every one of the cells in our body. As mentioned above, there are many chemicals that exist in the brain that react in different ways to affect it. It's not 'all' electrical input/output.

I've actually gotten back to school to finish getting my AA degree in Zoology before transferring to a University. I've taken a few courses in Biology and really love the subject because it's really quite fascinating to me.

What I post here has nothing to do with my college degree. It is not a requirement whatsoever. I come here out of my own curiosity and wonder. I simply wish to better understand the world around me. As for political ideology, I consider myself much more a libertarian than either a liberal or conservative.

[VictoryOS]

Originally Posted by jessev

I don't intend for this to be gibberish. Unfortunately, cell biology and biochemistry is a complicated field. I can only do so much to simplify it.

I can simplify things even more.

God is great! God is good! God made everything you see so stop trying to make scientifical explanations!

All the science you need to know is between the covers of the KJV Bible. Plus it's so easy to understand, even I get some of it. So open a Bible, go to church, and stop wasting your brain with this ScIeNce garbage.

[Little Donkey]

Originally Posted by jessev

,,,I do drink a little from time to time...

...I've actually gotten back to school to finish getting my AA degree...

...As for political ideology, I consider myself much more a libertarian...

Friend, you've come to the right place. I hope you can stay strong and get right with Jesus so you can give up the booze and then one day completely throw off all your libertard hang ups, like idolizing illegal drugs and forcing the gay deathstyle onto everybody.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by VictoryOS

I can simplify things even more.

God is great! God is good! God made everything you see so stop trying to make scientifical explanations!

All the science you need to know is between the covers of the KJV Bible. Plus it's so easy to understand, even I get some of it. So open a Bible, go to church, and stop wasting your brain with this ScIeNce garbage.

Shout Glory sister! You said a mouthful there! A mouthful of HOLINESS!

[jessev]

I appreciate the reply, though I must say that I do not personally idealize drugs nor do I force the gay deathstyle on anyone either as I'm not gay. And I am a libertarian because I believe in individual freedom and make their own choices rather than having the government decide everything for you. Which is happening more and more these days.

Though the Bible has many things in it, most of the modern amenities that we have today has come from science and technology derived from technology. We wouldn't have computers to write on this forum without it. We wouldn't have cars, or Air conditioning. We've doubled the life expectancy of people through the application of science.

The Bible is wonderful for spiritual guidance, but science definitely has it's place in the world. As most of the things we have and use today is derived from science.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by jessev

The Bible is wonderful for spiritual guidance, but science definitely has it's place in the world. As most of the things we have and use today is derived from science.

Wrong again. Everything we have and use today are gifts from God.

[VictoryOS]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

Shout Glory sister! You said a mouthful there! A mouthful of HOLINESS!

Thank you, Pastor. I'm happy to have pleased you.

[jessev]

Well, perhaps gifts by God, but were they not made by man? I did watch the video that was given in your post. It's a good video and I made a few notes here and there. I'll not bore you with them as they would likely not be read anyways. Suffice it to say, there were a number of things in the video that were not truthful, I must say. If you would like me to elaborate, I will.

Either way, the video didn't really show much about the arguments previously made. Here, I often read that science has no place with God, yet in this video most of the goal was try to include science with God. Or at least show that Christians can indeed be scientists. I do not argue against this point as there have been religious people who are scientists throughout recent history. But most of what we use today is based off scientific principles and observations and ideas that were not stated in the Bible. Or at least not elaborated. There are some things mentioned in the Bible that were observations. Like how the oceans had currents. But this was known long before the Bible was written. Still a good thing to know within the book, however.

[Jack O'fagan]

Originally Posted by jessev

I appreciate the reply, though I must say that I do not personally idealize drugs nor do I force the gay deathstyle on anyone either as I'm not gay. And I am a libertarian because I believe in individual freedom and make their own choices rather than having the government decide everything for you. Which is happening more and more these days.

Though the Bible has many things in it, most of the modern amenities that we have today has come from science and technology derived from technology. We wouldn't have computers to write on this forum without it. We wouldn't have cars, or Air conditioning. We've doubled the life expectancy of people through the application of science.

The Bible is wonderful for spiritual guidance, but science definitely has it's place in the world. As most of the things we have and use today is derived from science.

Ha! That's rubbish.

People used to live much longer than they do today.

Genesis 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.

GLORY!

Jack